are 3000 jet hours not enough for interview?
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Same situation here. 3000 hours tt, all jet, but with the Embraer rating. My only option is to find any airline taking on non rated pilots. There was a new german outfit that basically told me I was over qualified. Guess they prefer P2F low hour guys...
Turkish is taking on 737NG pilots like crazy.
Turkish is taking on 737NG pilots like crazy.
Last edited by High Energy; 16th February 2013 at 06:34.
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are 3000 jet hours not enough for interview?
What to say ? Actually I don't know. So I just can give you a warm "welcome in the club".
If you should think having more hours logged would be better. Unfortunately not. Just forget it. Very sad but true.
e.g.: I have +10,000 hrs PIC on 320's - accident/incident free btw - and you know what ? - no one cares. No one is interested. Sending applications waiting for replies
This aviation business is nothing else but just a $hi...
dssaster. Don't see any silvershine at the horizon either. 
If you should think having more hours logged would be better. Unfortunately not. Just forget it. Very sad but true.
e.g.: I have +10,000 hrs PIC on 320's - accident/incident free btw - and you know what ? - no one cares. No one is interested. Sending applications waiting for replies
This aviation business is nothing else but just a $hi...
dssaster. Don't see any silvershine at the horizon either.
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From: el castillo de los duques
Interesting, could you disclose which new German outfit that was? Just interested since a few were tricked by the offered Embraer jobs at LGW.
The Air Berlin mainline pilots (AB, former DBA and former LTU) are fighting against outsourcing to NIKI and LGW. When AB makes their own people redundant, wants pay cuts and creates cheaper jobs at LGW for externals, the word tricked is spot on. I am sorry for those who applied without knowing but just be aware that those who apply are killing jobs at Air Berlin. The Union (VC) does it best to stop it and due to the solidarity of all the mainline pilots, they at least achieved a small step forward in the battle.
Same situation here. 3000 hours tt, all jet, but with the Embraer rating. My only option is to find any airline taking on non rated pilots. There was a new German outfit that basically told me I was over qualified. Guess they prefer P2F low hour guys...
I would be really interested to hear when you had an interview or email stating that you were over qualified at LGW?
I refer to my previous statement. I am sorry that you got this answer but I am sure that in this case there is another reason. The official statement of AB was that they were checking the market for cheap EMB rated pilots willing to work well below the AB mainline pay scale. Not joking, started chocking when I heard it. Believe me, the AB scale is already one of the lower pay scales in Western Europe for a large airline. Getting paid even less is a rip off.
Last edited by el caballero rojo; 16th February 2013 at 19:43.
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Welcome to the Jungle !!! Buddy...
Now you may understand what kind of hell we are living in.
A couple of year ago those who got a seat they were saying anybody critizing their P2F where just loser who were not able to achieve what they had achieved and now they are facing a system that is collapsing and that don't need them anymore.
NO money , NO party.
Now you may understand what kind of hell we are living in.
A couple of year ago those who got a seat they were saying anybody critizing their P2F where just loser who were not able to achieve what they had achieved and now they are facing a system that is collapsing and that don't need them anymore.
NO money , NO party.
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From: Kopavogur
Clamshowder,
P2F is a disgrace, and all involved are not worth to be considered collegues.
A lot of experienced flightcrew can not find a PAID job to feed their family because of cheaters and profession murderer kids like you.
ONLY FLY FOR A SALARY.
P2F is a disgrace, and all involved are not worth to be considered collegues.
A lot of experienced flightcrew can not find a PAID job to feed their family because of cheaters and profession murderer kids like you.
ONLY FLY FOR A SALARY.
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From: Middle East
You are quite correct in your statement that p2f schemes are not readily available, I personally only ever knew of eaglejet but they have stopped there jet programmes now.
As far as I'm aware there are no p2f schemes in the current market
When these where available via eagle they were not taking on 1st officers they were called gear and flap lever operatives in the job title
As far as I'm aware there are no p2f schemes in the current market
When these where available via eagle they were not taking on 1st officers they were called gear and flap lever operatives in the job title
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From: Northampton
Just face it, the industry is failing exponentially -
Only the people who dreamed of becoming a pilot prior to circa 1990 will see out a full career in aviation, the rest should be learning a new trade ready for when their number gets called.
Sad, but true.
Only the people who dreamed of becoming a pilot prior to circa 1990 will see out a full career in aviation, the rest should be learning a new trade ready for when their number gets called.
Sad, but true.
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airlines require 500 hours minimum on type, I don't have a problem with a pilot paying the required fee's to obtain 500 hours.
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
Chamchower - eagle jet international based out of miami use to offer line training with Lion air in Jakarta, but they have stopped now due to a new regualtion by the CAA requiring 250 hours on type.
Skies aviation in UAE use to offer line training with Armavia but this has since stopped. also I think they were contracted to hire 6 cadets for a local charter company but these have since been filled, I work at DXB and have chatted to a few of them.
I am fairly sure they were the only 2 serious companys doing it.
don't worry about the negative comments on here, if you mention this site to any professional pilots they will grin and tell you they dont use it, well at least thats my experince
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
Chamchower - eagle jet international based out of miami use to offer line training with Lion air in Jakarta, but they have stopped now due to a new regualtion by the CAA requiring 250 hours on type.
Skies aviation in UAE use to offer line training with Armavia but this has since stopped. also I think they were contracted to hire 6 cadets for a local charter company but these have since been filled, I work at DXB and have chatted to a few of them.
I am fairly sure they were the only 2 serious companys doing it.
don't worry about the negative comments on here, if you mention this site to any professional pilots they will grin and tell you they dont use it, well at least thats my experince
But they all know it... 
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From: HKG
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
about the profession as this very act destroys it, they only want to be able to put their pic up on facebook and tell everyone they are a pilot. It's pathetic.
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Actually they don't. They don't require any hours on type. Where they stipulate a minimum level of such experience, they are looking for pilots with previous relevant experience. An experienced pilot is likely to have significantly more than 500 hours on type, where they have been working for another airline. However there are circumstances where quality background and low hours are not a paradox. For example a cadetship that didn't develop into a full time contract due to restricted opportunities at the previous airline. An airline that went out of business or had to lay off good quality employees due to trading circumstances. Such circumstances are quite distinct from the "vanity publishing" end of the business. Many of these businesses are well known in the industry, and a definite "red flag" to most reputable carriers.
Cadet programmes are very trainer and resource intensive, but those airlines involved in them have a direct input and assured quality level from low houred pilots. There is nothing magical about 500 hours on type, and most certainly nothing magical about 500 hours acquired from certain carriers and certain parts of the globe.
Because line training isn't initial training.
Unfortunetaly it rarely shows in the professional quality or enthusiasm of the airline involved. Quality experience isn't hard to find and poor quality experience isn't hard to detect.
Clearly, not all!
airlines require 500 hours minimum on type, I don't have a problem with a pilot paying the required fee's to obtain 500 hours.
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
Chamchower - eagle jet international based out of miami use to offer line training with Lion air in Jakarta, but they have stopped now due to a new regualtion by the CAA requiring 250 hours on type.
Skies aviation in UAE use to offer line training with Armavia but this has since stopped. also I think they were contracted to hire 6 cadets for a local charter company but these have since been filled, I work at DXB and have chatted to a few of them.
I am fairly sure they were the only 2 serious companys doing it.
don't worry about the negative comments on here, if you mention this site to any professional pilots they will grin and tell you they dont use it, well at least thats my experince
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
Chamchower - eagle jet international based out of miami use to offer line training with Lion air in Jakarta, but they have stopped now due to a new regualtion by the CAA requiring 250 hours on type.
Skies aviation in UAE use to offer line training with Armavia but this has since stopped. also I think they were contracted to hire 6 cadets for a local charter company but these have since been filled, I work at DXB and have chatted to a few of them.
I am fairly sure they were the only 2 serious companys doing it.
don't worry about the negative comments on here, if you mention this site to any professional pilots they will grin and tell you they dont use it, well at least thats my experince
airlines require 500 hours minimum on type, I don't have a problem with a pilot paying the required fee's to obtain 500 hours.
Cadet programmes are very trainer and resource intensive, but those airlines involved in them have a direct input and assured quality level from low houred pilots. There is nothing magical about 500 hours on type, and most certainly nothing magical about 500 hours acquired from certain carriers and certain parts of the globe.
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
don't worry about the negative comments on here, if you mention this site to any professional pilots they will grin and tell you they dont use it, well at least thats my experince
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Originally Posted by POS INIT
airlines require 500 hours minimum on type, I don't have a problem with a pilot paying the required fee's to obtain 500 hours.
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
we all paid for our intial training, how is this so drastically different?
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An aspiring pilot who is willing to invest in this shows me sheer dedication to the profession and enthusiasm.
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From: Middle East
Gear & flap will kill you, everything else will embarase you.
it is near imposiible for any pilot to make it to line if they are not of the highest quality and order. I stand to be corrected on that statement.
it is near imposiible for any pilot to make it to line if they are not of the highest quality and order. I stand to be corrected on that statement.