Non type rated 737NG Low hour first officers
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Birmingham
Age: 41
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The nail in the coffin!
Hi,
I hope you are well.
I just wanted to send you an email to let you know that the Aviation Division is closing for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately at this present time, due to staff leaving within the Aviation Division, and contracts being cancelled, there is a shortage of work within this sector and bigger demands within other areas of the business.
C&M Recruitment have been recruiting for over 15 years within the travel sector, so this does not mean in any way, that should any Aviation contract occur, we will not be dealing with it. Should we have any suitable positions within the Aviation Sector, I will certainly be dealing with this and contact you in the future, but at this moment in time, this is where we stand.
I wanted to inform you of this change, as I did not want to waste any of your time, waiting for updates on cancelled contracts as I don’t see any changes for the foreseeable furture, but of course if there was, I would be in contact. I wanted to be honest with you, so there are no false hopes, thinking this may change in a months time, as its highly unlikely, so I wish you well and all the luck in finding your perfect role.
I would like to thank you for your time and patience and once again can only apologise for the unfortunate circumstances.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Lesley Mcdermott
DDI: 0161 8710398
web: C&M Recruitment Consultancy
email: [email protected]
I hope you are well.
I just wanted to send you an email to let you know that the Aviation Division is closing for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately at this present time, due to staff leaving within the Aviation Division, and contracts being cancelled, there is a shortage of work within this sector and bigger demands within other areas of the business.
C&M Recruitment have been recruiting for over 15 years within the travel sector, so this does not mean in any way, that should any Aviation contract occur, we will not be dealing with it. Should we have any suitable positions within the Aviation Sector, I will certainly be dealing with this and contact you in the future, but at this moment in time, this is where we stand.
I wanted to inform you of this change, as I did not want to waste any of your time, waiting for updates on cancelled contracts as I don’t see any changes for the foreseeable furture, but of course if there was, I would be in contact. I wanted to be honest with you, so there are no false hopes, thinking this may change in a months time, as its highly unlikely, so I wish you well and all the luck in finding your perfect role.
I would like to thank you for your time and patience and once again can only apologise for the unfortunate circumstances.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Lesley Mcdermott
DDI: 0161 8710398
web: C&M Recruitment Consultancy
email: [email protected]
Champagne anyone...?
Well, I've enjoyed this, thanks everyone.
The naïveté displayed by young Carl in mixing business with internets was rather dazzling. I predicted (to myself obviously) from his first post that this would not end well.
Remember kids, never mix business with Pprune
The naïveté displayed by young Carl in mixing business with internets was rather dazzling. I predicted (to myself obviously) from his first post that this would not end well.
Remember kids, never mix business with Pprune
Join Date: Jan 1997
Location: UK
Posts: 7,737
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A lot of correspondence was going on in the background.
Carl wrote alleging the posts from him and the company were fake and he wanted information on the poster and would be going to the police. I suggested that with such a serious allegation of passing off that the police really should be involved.
Carl continued to demand information to take to the police and I assured him I would be happy to talk directly to them once he pressed a formal complaint. He continued to demand information but suddenly lost interest when I pointed out that the email addresses and IP locations would cause the police to ask him some pretty searching questions.
It was shortly after that the disappointed and regretful mails started going out to applicants.
Rob
Carl wrote alleging the posts from him and the company were fake and he wanted information on the poster and would be going to the police. I suggested that with such a serious allegation of passing off that the police really should be involved.
Carl continued to demand information to take to the police and I assured him I would be happy to talk directly to them once he pressed a formal complaint. He continued to demand information but suddenly lost interest when I pointed out that the email addresses and IP locations would cause the police to ask him some pretty searching questions.
It was shortly after that the disappointed and regretful mails started going out to applicants.
Rob
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Dublin
Age: 35
Posts: 151
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow....
I've watched this thread from a distance the whole time, just.... wow.... 
I'm lucky I have a flying job and did not apply but I can imagine the disappointment felt by many when they realized this Carl guy wasted their time and their hopes.
I for one will remember his name.
I'm lucky I have a flying job and did not apply but I can imagine the disappointment felt by many when they realized this Carl guy wasted their time and their hopes.
I for one will remember his name.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Scotland
Age: 37
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I applied to this mob myself thinking what a brilliant opening here but as you can all see it fell on its arse, I can't say I'm disappointed it's just like all the long line of applications filled out or C.V's sent nothing much has materialised from them, then yesterday I seen an advert by Sunwing looking for 80 Canadian licenced/residents for the same position that was withdrawn 
I suppose it's a case of if you don't try you don't get.
I suppose it's a case of if you don't try you don't get.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: FL260
Age: 43
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What a daft thing to do! Although clearly not a TRI at 21 if he was looking to get into this industry I'm sure he has probably blown his chances now as his name is well known for all the wrong reasons.
I'm struggling to see what was to be gained? Maybe a sim assessment at a cost to the applicant to make a profit? £300 x 52 is not to be sniffed at!
What really p****ed me off was it was all a play on the hearts of honest people looking for that first break. Low blow C&M....
I'm struggling to see what was to be gained? Maybe a sim assessment at a cost to the applicant to make a profit? £300 x 52 is not to be sniffed at!
What really p****ed me off was it was all a play on the hearts of honest people looking for that first break. Low blow C&M....
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 816
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hate to say I told you so but...
... I told you so. This one smelled like a week old prawn kebab from the outset. I make a point of not doing business with anyone who cannot spell or cannot form a valid sentence in the English language. This policy filters out 99% of the idiots, scammers, kids, criminals, sharks and timewasters. Throw in a bit of 'too good to be true' and this 'recruitment' had bells on it.
I wouldn't be shocked to discover that this bedroom recruitment consultancy was simply 'sucker harvesting' and in due course you'll be offered a new amazing opportunity (with fees attached).
I wouldn't be shocked to discover that this bedroom recruitment consultancy was simply 'sucker harvesting' and in due course you'll be offered a new amazing opportunity (with fees attached).
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 420
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Like many people I applied and was shortlisted only to have my hopes dashed but no money had changed hands, just a minimal amount of time and effort invested on my part so it’s not all bad. I have no personal axe to grind with either Carl or C&M, in case anyone is interested the following out of office reply has been on Carls C&M email address:
I am no longer with the buiness and will be returning to flying, but should you have any queries or questions, please contact ************. Should there be any outstanding recruitment drives/opportunities on-going, ****** will keep you updates as and when necessary. I wish you all a successful future.
So if you believe the first line then perhaps he could be coming to a flight deck near you soon, he really needs to learn how to spell business too.
I am no longer with the buiness and will be returning to flying, but should you have any queries or questions, please contact ************. Should there be any outstanding recruitment drives/opportunities on-going, ****** will keep you updates as and when necessary. I wish you all a successful future.
So if you believe the first line then perhaps he could be coming to a flight deck near you soon, he really needs to learn how to spell business too.
Last edited by magicmick; 19th Mar 2013 at 07:54.
Champagne anyone...?
I think there might have been a genuine recruitment opportunity here although young Carl may have over-egged the pudding somewhat. I suspect however that a combination of factors led to his downfall.
The fact that he has now "moved on" would very strongly suggest that his vocal and deliciously unprofessional involvement & interaction with this forum did not go unnoticed by others, including I suspect the company looking for pilots. If I was an airline recruiter I would not wish to be involved and/or associated with the petulant comments he was making on here.
I think people really have no idea just how many people & institutions read and are aware of ongoing subjects on Pprune. Poorly thought out comments on here will bite you on the arse one day.
The fact that he has now "moved on" would very strongly suggest that his vocal and deliciously unprofessional involvement & interaction with this forum did not go unnoticed by others, including I suspect the company looking for pilots. If I was an airline recruiter I would not wish to be involved and/or associated with the petulant comments he was making on here.
I think people really have no idea just how many people & institutions read and are aware of ongoing subjects on Pprune. Poorly thought out comments on here will bite you on the arse one day.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 319
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
On face value it appears (as said above) that CR was over-egging it. I would suspect that he perhaps was making noises maybe in the company of C&M to bolster his own knowledge/ego etc. as a fountain of all knowledge in all things commercial aviation? just a suspicion. Anyway, according to his facebook page, he is now "on holiday" in sunnier climes.
Guest
Posts: n/a
" Returning to flying ". What a .
Flying what ? Microsoft flight sim in a darkened room .....
And getting your PPL at 17 isn't that unusual either Karl, I did that too.
Damage limitation from Lesley, but I'd wager that agency's name will stick in many minds for all the wrong reasons.
.Flying what ? Microsoft flight sim in a darkened room .....
And getting your PPL at 17 isn't that unusual either Karl, I did that too.
Damage limitation from Lesley, but I'd wager that agency's name will stick in many minds for all the wrong reasons.
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 323
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There were the exact numbers Carl mentioned to me as the reason for the recruitment (with Boeing doing the type ratings as part of the deal):
Tui Travel says it has agreed to buy 60 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, with an option to buy a further 90 of the same model. << BBC News - Tui Travel to buy 60 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft
Maybe we'll see another advert
Tui Travel says it has agreed to buy 60 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, with an option to buy a further 90 of the same model. << BBC News - Tui Travel to buy 60 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft
Maybe we'll see another advert