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I seem to recall that a few years ago, an ex-colleague of mine mentioned that the now defunct XL Airways had a contract with Sunwings, that crew were sent/volunteered to Canada on a deal with these people for 4 months, so maybe it is a similar sort of deal. Good luck all, and the very best to the guys who apply and are successful. If they are told to keep it under their hat then so be it!!! Who are we to speculate and criticise!!
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The proof is in the pudding
Hi,
I hope you are well.
I am sending this email with regret with unfortunate news in respect to Sunwing. Unfortunately the contract has been cancelled. I can only apologise at this stage, after going through the technical tests and getting through to the next stage, for this unforseen circumstance to happen.
I have been waiting for an update over the last few days, but with the difficulties with different time zones etc, its been difficult to catch up with the client and gain further details.
I do not have much detail as to why, but within the industry its forever changing, with aircraft delays, business needs etc, but should I find out any further details to when they will be recruiting again, I will certainly be in contact with everyone with an update. This is not likely to change for the next 8 weeks at least, so again all I can do is apologise and update you as and when required.
I hope you can appreciate that our phone lines have been off the hook for several weeks now, and I,m sure there will be many questions that everyone has, but apart from what I have just explained, there are no further details at hand, but as and when I get updates of any changes, I will be in contact straight away.
I thank everyone for your time and patience and wish you look for the future. Should I have any further suitable positions, I will be in contact in due course.
I would of liked to of telephoned everyone in person to let you know, but as you can imagine the number of applicants involved made this very difficult with it being a long process, and as soon as one hears, everyone else hears on the grapevine, which is why I have sent everyone an email as soon as I heard.
Apologies again as I know this can happen several times within the industry and has recently been happening with other airlines but I wish you all the luck in the future.
Lesley Mcdermott
Manager - Aviation Division
DDI: 0161 8710398
web: C&M Recruitment Consultancy
email: [email protected]
Don't keep a good thing to yourself
We grow our business through referrals, so please don't keep us to yourself. If you think we're
doing a good job and know of someone who would benefit from our services, please pass on
their name and number to us and we promise to follow it up. Many thanks.
P Please consider the environment before printing this email.
I hope you are well.
I am sending this email with regret with unfortunate news in respect to Sunwing. Unfortunately the contract has been cancelled. I can only apologise at this stage, after going through the technical tests and getting through to the next stage, for this unforseen circumstance to happen.
I have been waiting for an update over the last few days, but with the difficulties with different time zones etc, its been difficult to catch up with the client and gain further details.
I do not have much detail as to why, but within the industry its forever changing, with aircraft delays, business needs etc, but should I find out any further details to when they will be recruiting again, I will certainly be in contact with everyone with an update. This is not likely to change for the next 8 weeks at least, so again all I can do is apologise and update you as and when required.
I hope you can appreciate that our phone lines have been off the hook for several weeks now, and I,m sure there will be many questions that everyone has, but apart from what I have just explained, there are no further details at hand, but as and when I get updates of any changes, I will be in contact straight away.
I thank everyone for your time and patience and wish you look for the future. Should I have any further suitable positions, I will be in contact in due course.
I would of liked to of telephoned everyone in person to let you know, but as you can imagine the number of applicants involved made this very difficult with it being a long process, and as soon as one hears, everyone else hears on the grapevine, which is why I have sent everyone an email as soon as I heard.
Apologies again as I know this can happen several times within the industry and has recently been happening with other airlines but I wish you all the luck in the future.
Lesley Mcdermott
Manager - Aviation Division
DDI: 0161 8710398
web: C&M Recruitment Consultancy
email: [email protected]
Don't keep a good thing to yourself
We grow our business through referrals, so please don't keep us to yourself. If you think we're
doing a good job and know of someone who would benefit from our services, please pass on
their name and number to us and we promise to follow it up. Many thanks.
P Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Well nothing ventured nothing gained.
I must say I found the communication from C&M puzzling at times. All in all a confusing and tragically short recruitment drive.
Maybe Sunwings saw Carl's posts on here and pulled the contract? I suppose we will never know.
I must say I found the communication from C&M puzzling at times. All in all a confusing and tragically short recruitment drive.
Maybe Sunwings saw Carl's posts on here and pulled the contract? I suppose we will never know.
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Well when did they find out the contract had been cancelled? The entire proceeding has been shrouded in mystery and the fact that Lesley cannot be contacted today is a tad odd. I believe both Lesley and Carl have known this news for a while.
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To answer your questions Phalange.
1. Make a bit if money.
2. Nothing gained other than a serious credibility gap, a bunch of hopes dashed again and a couple of names to attach to it all, one of whom was even smart enough to let slip his future employer and the other of which was smart enough to ask people to spread the word about their reputation in an email saying, sorry, it's all gone Pete Tong.
That's the trouble with hair brained plans where airline HR Departments try to get cute. They seldom survive first contact with reality and inconsequential details get missed. Things like Industrial Agreements.
To those who thought their luck had changed, I genuinely feel for you. That's easy to say of course, I've got a job. In Thomson we have invested a considerable amount of effort in trying to break the cycle whereby availability of cash is a determining factor in getting a job. On a limited basis this has already worked and some 20 + pilots are just joining now. Sadly for those without Type Ratings, these were all Type Rated guys but we now have the mechanism in place to recruit on ability from across the spectrum of applicants. I don't know when but be patient, it has to happen at some point. Again, easy to say because patience doesn't pay bills.
We currently recruit using an in house team that includes Line Pilots. I don't see that changing any time soon.
On a final note, it seems no one lost money here so we should I suppose give C&M credit for that. Next time, do the research. Airlines will try recruiting through agencies for all sorts of reasons and NONE of them are good for our profession. Most unions are vigorously opposed and many airlines have agreements addressing the matter. Going around them will usually end in tears.
1. Make a bit if money.
2. Nothing gained other than a serious credibility gap, a bunch of hopes dashed again and a couple of names to attach to it all, one of whom was even smart enough to let slip his future employer and the other of which was smart enough to ask people to spread the word about their reputation in an email saying, sorry, it's all gone Pete Tong.
That's the trouble with hair brained plans where airline HR Departments try to get cute. They seldom survive first contact with reality and inconsequential details get missed. Things like Industrial Agreements.
To those who thought their luck had changed, I genuinely feel for you. That's easy to say of course, I've got a job. In Thomson we have invested a considerable amount of effort in trying to break the cycle whereby availability of cash is a determining factor in getting a job. On a limited basis this has already worked and some 20 + pilots are just joining now. Sadly for those without Type Ratings, these were all Type Rated guys but we now have the mechanism in place to recruit on ability from across the spectrum of applicants. I don't know when but be patient, it has to happen at some point. Again, easy to say because patience doesn't pay bills.
We currently recruit using an in house team that includes Line Pilots. I don't see that changing any time soon.
On a final note, it seems no one lost money here so we should I suppose give C&M credit for that. Next time, do the research. Airlines will try recruiting through agencies for all sorts of reasons and NONE of them are good for our profession. Most unions are vigorously opposed and many airlines have agreements addressing the matter. Going around them will usually end in tears.
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What a shambles. If any decent airline uses this outfit for its recruitment they deserve everything they get.
And to see supposedly intelligent trained professionals falling over themselves to grasp this nettle is pitiful and embarrassing .
And to see supposedly intelligent trained professionals falling over themselves to grasp this nettle is pitiful and embarrassing .
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It's worth noting that a quick google search for our beloved and ranting recruitment consultant (Google cache is very useful when people have just recently removed their Linkedin pages). Shows him as having worked for 3 different airlines (one of which I have the pleasure of working for) and 1 medivac company. Quite a fruitful career for someone aged 21/22.
You've made quite a name for yourself in such a short space of time and you should well consider that your CV may well land on one of our desks one day.
Also, you ought to get rid of your myspace page, I'm certain I was a moron at 18 but at least I could spell.
You've made quite a name for yourself in such a short space of time and you should well consider that your CV may well land on one of our desks one day.
Also, you ought to get rid of your myspace page, I'm certain I was a moron at 18 but at least I could spell.
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Carl Rafferty (C&M Consultant) hahah -
when I asked about his background - he stated that he was a TRI for Hellas etc.. and that he has then lost his medical so he was working for C&M.
It did make me wonder how, but he is clearly a little dreamer, moron and a numpty.
He is right up there with the Iraqi Information Minister! LOL
when I asked about his background - he stated that he was a TRI for Hellas etc.. and that he has then lost his medical so he was working for C&M.
It did make me wonder how, but he is clearly a little dreamer, moron and a numpty.
He is right up there with the Iraqi Information Minister! LOL
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"Hi I'm Carl. A young but matured individual with a positive out look on life and heaps of Aviation Knowledge."
;From linkedin
from myspace details;
Occupation: Training pilot
Income: £75,000 to £100,000
Couldnt resist some digging on this im afraid.
;From linkedin
from myspace details;
Occupation: Training pilot
Income: £75,000 to £100,000
Couldnt resist some digging on this im afraid.
