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Old 11th May 2012, 17:17
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average sector is about 1hr 05 mins, aircraft sit on ground all day, most of saturday and start up sunday pm.

thib: definition of a night is 0200-0459 so perhaps you might want to change your %

In 30 years and ten or so Airlines i've never seen such a cushty roster as yours i'm sorry
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Old 11th May 2012, 20:35
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Oh I don't work within aviation. Was curious.
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Old 12th May 2012, 08:17
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@Mr Angry does DHL UK offer part time?
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Old 12th May 2012, 08:35
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Excpect to fly 250/300 hrs / year! But with duty of 1000 hrs!
Sounds good to me, I applied but haven't heard back yet.

Last 12 months I flew 500 hrs and 2100 hrs duty, normal regional pax ops... (lots of long turnarounds)

definition of a night is 0200-0459
That's the FTL definition isn't it? Official night is 30 mins post sunset until 30 mins pre sunrise. Big difference depending which one you're talking about, especially in winter. So is most of their flying in official night or FTL night?
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Old 12th May 2012, 08:49
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That's the FTL definition isn't it? Official night is 30 mins post sunset until 30 mins pre sunrise. Big difference depending which one you're talking about, especially in winter. So is most of their flying in official night or FTL night?
NIGHT as per FTL's definition will limit you max FDP (depending on the start time & number of sectors flown) while the "... 30 mins..." is what goes in you logbook. It will fluctuate with the seasons, won't it?
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Old 12th May 2012, 09:32
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It will flucuate a bit but most hours go in the night column.
EAM-Yep they do part time,all sorts from 11 months to 1/2 time but I doubt they would offer it from the start.
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Old 12th May 2012, 10:03
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Official/FTL night: Its always dark. That's nights in my book.

300 hours. Doesn't sound a lot, but mostly in the infamous WOCL. See how that feels when day sleeping... Duty often close to or at limits allowable, rest getting closer and closer to min rest in many places. The flying's not the hard bit.

Not the worst job, nor the best. However, it is pretty much as secure as they come... Check out DPWN's (they own DHL) end of year reports.
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Old 12th May 2012, 10:09
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I got an mail that i was meeting all the requirements except that [email protected] german requirement. So i was not considered anymore.
It is time that others ban german pilots.
Dear Sir,

I find your comment to be very unjust and consider it to be utter nonsense as you fail to consider that those german pilots to be banned went through the hassel of learning a foreign language. It probably has not even slightly touched the thing you call your mind to pick up a book and start studying.
I am glad they don't hire snobs like you in my country. There's plenty here, we don't need any more...

I speak German, English, French, Spanish and am currently working on Swedish and Russian (with little success so far, but at least I can read it)

Go stay where you are, and do not try to go into international flying with a mindset as closed as yours.
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Old 12th May 2012, 10:23
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Pudoc, No, it's not...ops are like that.

For ex: in one night you will have a duty of 11h but fly only 4hrs...
You start from an outstation at 2000z, coming back to Lej at 2200Z, have to wait up to 5 hrs in Lej before doing an other small leg or leaving Lej at 0200Z for two legs... as it's european flight, it's not very long legs.
From Lej to Vitoria or barcelona, it's 2h20 block... but if you are going to Copenhagen, Francfort, Warsaw, Paris,... it's only 0120 block time.

And if on top of that you are doing some stby....

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Old 12th May 2012, 10:29
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Grrr

Oh ok that makes sense.

I suppose I'm used to companies having quick turn arounds.
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Old 12th May 2012, 10:37
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Admiral,

Inner is not insulting the german pilot, he's just despite about the German speaking requirement

But as said earlier, the German speaking language is not an issue, they just hired people who are not speaking German.

They just want to have German contract with a Leipzig base an unstructured roster!!!
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Old 12th May 2012, 10:38
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Yes Pudoc, you're right, Cargo night ops is quite different from the low cost ops
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Old 12th May 2012, 11:34
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Interested folk should note German Social Security is imminent for LEJ based crews, its a significant amount, especially if you're a cadet!
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Old 12th May 2012, 18:14
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Sorry for writing so late, I mean DHL UK! I don't speak German
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Old 12th May 2012, 18:41
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Lucky you. I applied as well but they are not even considering my application although i got jet time.
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Old 12th May 2012, 19:18
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It was certainly not the choice of nearly anybody within EAT to become a German airline, from the Belgian quality outfit it once was.
Now, the gestapo has taken over and with their xenophobic behaviour want to root out everything non German, including Belgian instructors
Eat is NOT a National airline, it is International and the lingua franka in aviation is only English. Eat aircraft can be based wherever in Europe, and has absolutely NO German heritage. It is simply racism.

Ahh good, I thought we Germans have had become soft. Good to see we still can be strong! Noww vee vill rule zee woorldd soon! And we started with EAT.

Thats our evil plan!
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Old 12th May 2012, 23:28
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Now, the gestapo has taken over
That is bullshit, of course Leipzig is in the responsibility of the STASI.

Anyway, not working for any of the two companies, I would say DHL UK gives a much better impression. While EAT does the assessment with interpersonal, knowing everything of the applicant, they don't give any information about the T&C they will offer. "We will make you an offer" thats it.
At present they don't hire anyone and keep pilots on hold. Seems they screened to many DECs.

DHL UK gives detailed information about the contract when inviting for the interview. Questions will be answered in the interview which is with DHL UK personal and after passing the screening it just takes a few weeks until you get the official offer.
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Old 12th May 2012, 23:46
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the two contracts are pretty much the same with minor differences, commuting is a problem for both outfits since there are only few jump seats available on the freighters and no discount travel with passenger airlines.
Best advise is to relocate to LEJ.
For F/Os it is also worth considering the fact that command times are very long due to the small amount of hours flown per year.
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Old 13th May 2012, 12:35
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Regarding command times, I guess it would depend on the previous experience of the F/O at the time of joining DHL.

If you are a low hour joining as cadet, flying 300 hours per year could obviously take longer than an experienced F/O who join the airline after the low hour (so not considering seniority as the first point) but with thousands of jet hours.

At this point, Granted that this is not the first point I'm interested in evaluating the job offer, I'm curious to know what's the average experience DHL need to consider a F/O for a command upgrade.

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Old 13th May 2012, 14:52
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Time to command would be long as LEP, but try getting a quick command at a similar size (28ac) charter outfit and then try finding an airline which is part of a group as profitable as DPWN (results just out)! Joining with a bunch of hours could give command in 2-3 years.

If it's dark it's night! I don't do many sectors which involve daylight at all outside the months May/Jun/Jul.
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