bmi recruiting A320 FO's with promise of BA job
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TR's don't take longer than the typical notice period do they, especially for experienced pilots whose line training requirement must be minimal?
So arguments suggesting pilots are needed NOW, therefore we will discriminate against existing non-TR'ed pilots, are specious IMHO.
So arguments suggesting pilots are needed NOW, therefore we will discriminate against existing non-TR'ed pilots, are specious IMHO.
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Is everyone looking for a reason to board the outrage bus at the moment?
I know things are pretty rubbish at bmi at the moment for everyone with the uncertainty of what's going to happen, but the last thing we need is to start grumbling between companies over imagined slights.
Mainline, Regional and Baby are 3 companies with individual AOC's, yes the same parent and a lot of movement between the 3. I work with all 3 companies, not just for mainline and I have a lot of time for everyone no matter if they are based in ABZ, LHR or at the hall.
My point is a simple one at the moment, no-one knows what is likely to happen to any of the 3 companies. Alright mainline is going to be absorbed in BA, but what that means for the company as a whole and particularly the people, no-one outside of Waterside actually knows.
The regional deal seems to have fallen apart, no-one knows who is going to buy Baby (if anyone) and mainline will cease to exist in what's likely to be fairly short order. I'd be looking for a new job elsewhere if I was a regional pilot to be honest, rather than at mainline. Will BA want the regional operation? Or would they rather just shut it down if they get their hands on it? No idea.
There was an urgent need for a few experienced A320 pilots, the decision was obviously taken to get some people in who had worked for mainline already. No type ratings required, less line training etc.etc.
When things are as tight as they are, even if someone at ABZ has got a valid rating, how current is it? How many hours on type? Could they slot in very quickly?
Sorry, but that's unlikely and in times like these, people need to have a bit of pragmatism and realise that things aren't "business as usual" and that niceties that we are used to, might not be what's needed.
So I'm sorry if people are offended, but things are bl**dy awful at the moment for all of us and so whinging about minutae like this and fighting amongst ourselves is pointless and destructive.
So the reason I couldn't give a rat's about it, is that there are better things to be worrying about than how crews are or are not transferred between regional and mainline.
This is has nothing to do with thinking that regional people are "rabble from the north." There's an immediate need for people to come on-board and in most companies, bringing back people who've already worked for a company take precedence over even internal transfers.
Other than that, getting upset about this is a waste of time and effort. The real world is about to bite everyone in the backside soon enough.
I know things are pretty rubbish at bmi at the moment for everyone with the uncertainty of what's going to happen, but the last thing we need is to start grumbling between companies over imagined slights.
Mainline, Regional and Baby are 3 companies with individual AOC's, yes the same parent and a lot of movement between the 3. I work with all 3 companies, not just for mainline and I have a lot of time for everyone no matter if they are based in ABZ, LHR or at the hall.
My point is a simple one at the moment, no-one knows what is likely to happen to any of the 3 companies. Alright mainline is going to be absorbed in BA, but what that means for the company as a whole and particularly the people, no-one outside of Waterside actually knows.
The regional deal seems to have fallen apart, no-one knows who is going to buy Baby (if anyone) and mainline will cease to exist in what's likely to be fairly short order. I'd be looking for a new job elsewhere if I was a regional pilot to be honest, rather than at mainline. Will BA want the regional operation? Or would they rather just shut it down if they get their hands on it? No idea.
There was an urgent need for a few experienced A320 pilots, the decision was obviously taken to get some people in who had worked for mainline already. No type ratings required, less line training etc.etc.
When things are as tight as they are, even if someone at ABZ has got a valid rating, how current is it? How many hours on type? Could they slot in very quickly?
Sorry, but that's unlikely and in times like these, people need to have a bit of pragmatism and realise that things aren't "business as usual" and that niceties that we are used to, might not be what's needed.
So I'm sorry if people are offended, but things are bl**dy awful at the moment for all of us and so whinging about minutae like this and fighting amongst ourselves is pointless and destructive.
So the reason I couldn't give a rat's about it, is that there are better things to be worrying about than how crews are or are not transferred between regional and mainline.
This is has nothing to do with thinking that regional people are "rabble from the north." There's an immediate need for people to come on-board and in most companies, bringing back people who've already worked for a company take precedence over even internal transfers.
Other than that, getting upset about this is a waste of time and effort. The real world is about to bite everyone in the backside soon enough.
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Oh and has anyone got any actual proof that the offer of a BA job was actually made, because knowing the people involved I'd be stunned if they said anything of the sort.
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From what I have heard a BA job offer was not mentioned as part of the package, so for those interviewed and subsequently offered the position I would imagine that it would be a very tough decision to up sticks from their current jobs and take the gamble.
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Haven't Regional been pay to fly for years?
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I'll say it again slowly, if you want to pick and chose which aspect of a contract you'd like to adhere to, why bother in the first place?
What does the Mainline AFS actually say on the matter?
Such a throw-away comment can only be spoken by someone with no idea of the ramifications to a pilot of such a course of action....
You'd be mad to leave bmiR now if you're a pilot IMO.
You'll forego your redundancy money and possibly miss out on integration into the "safest" job in town. BA have been recruiting pilots....
If you're going to be made redundant anyway, why leave now?
What does the Mainline AFS actually say on the matter?
I'd be looking for a new job elsewhere if I was a regional pilot to be honest, rather than at mainline. Will BA want the regional operation? Or would they rather just shut it down if they get their hands on it? No idea.
You'd be mad to leave bmiR now if you're a pilot IMO.
You'll forego your redundancy money and possibly miss out on integration into the "safest" job in town. BA have been recruiting pilots....
If you're going to be made redundant anyway, why leave now?
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If I was a smart pilot, I'd be hedging my bets and looking what else is around, not relying on BA or the people who are supposedly buying Regional.
I know full well what the ramifications are, it's one of the reasons why so many people with just short service are leaving or have already left as they won't get any redundancy at all.
The reality of the situation is that BA are not interested in Baby or Regional, they aren't really interested in Mainline either, they only want the slots.
I'll bet that if IAG (not BA remember) get hold of Regional, then it won't be subsumed into BA in the same way that mainline will be, it'll be shut down or handed to Cityflyer.
However, no-one knows what will happen to Regional, there might even be an announcement soon and you may end up with Granite being the new owners and then the chances of getting into BA are rather minimal...
So I wouldn't start counting on becoming a BA pilot if I was you. Look out for number one and see what else is out there. It's only sensible.
I know full well what the ramifications are, it's one of the reasons why so many people with just short service are leaving or have already left as they won't get any redundancy at all.
The reality of the situation is that BA are not interested in Baby or Regional, they aren't really interested in Mainline either, they only want the slots.
I'll bet that if IAG (not BA remember) get hold of Regional, then it won't be subsumed into BA in the same way that mainline will be, it'll be shut down or handed to Cityflyer.
However, no-one knows what will happen to Regional, there might even be an announcement soon and you may end up with Granite being the new owners and then the chances of getting into BA are rather minimal...
So I wouldn't start counting on becoming a BA pilot if I was you. Look out for number one and see what else is out there. It's only sensible.
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Hi.
I had a succesful interview with bmi the other day. It is now dead in the water becasue of all this.
The bmr pilots have a completley understandable position on this, however the requirement was for rated A320 guys to start as of yesterday. With all the complaining, and the trouble this was going to cause the CEO has pulled the plug on any recruitment and apparently is going to find other ways of covering the shortfall. So the end result is I don't get a job and remain unemployed - along with the other interviewed chaps, whilst the bmr guys are still employed but never had a chance to get in to mainline in the first place without a rating.
I had a succesful interview with bmi the other day. It is now dead in the water becasue of all this.
The bmr pilots have a completley understandable position on this, however the requirement was for rated A320 guys to start as of yesterday. With all the complaining, and the trouble this was going to cause the CEO has pulled the plug on any recruitment and apparently is going to find other ways of covering the shortfall. So the end result is I don't get a job and remain unemployed - along with the other interviewed chaps, whilst the bmr guys are still employed but never had a chance to get in to mainline in the first place without a rating.
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Magnificent man if you have an a320 tr and hours on type then there are jobs out there. If you insist on staying in the uk/ you paid for your tr and have little to no time on type it may well be harder. Either way, bad luck on the bmi job but there's no way it would have lead to a Ba job in my opinion if that's any consolation and neither should it have done.
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I would happily swap an embraer 135/145 rating with anyone. Why don't they take the job at mainline, I'll happily work for regional. For that matter give me a king air to fly or perhaps a Cessna 152. I don't Care flying is what I want to do, whatever the opportunity is I will take it no matter what. This opportunity was once in a lifetime. Damn!
As for working for Ba over Bmi- well actually I would have loved to work in a nice smallish company where people seem to know each other and really seems like a genuine place to work. I'm sorry I won't get a chance to be a part of it...
Never mind, I guess I don't deserve it. Not like the bmr pilots do anyway.
As for working for Ba over Bmi- well actually I would have loved to work in a nice smallish company where people seem to know each other and really seems like a genuine place to work. I'm sorry I won't get a chance to be a part of it...
Never mind, I guess I don't deserve it. Not like the bmr pilots do anyway.
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Don't lose heart too quickly. Things change in an instant around here sometimes...
I'm hearing rumblings of an announcement on Regional's future and if they are sold off soon, then the issue of inter-airline movement will disappear.
I'm hearing rumblings of an announcement on Regional's future and if they are sold off soon, then the issue of inter-airline movement will disappear.