Michael O'Leary talking about pilots
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Michael O'Leary talking about pilots
Michael O'Leary talking about pilots!
Watch from about 26 mins onward:-
RTE Late Late Show - Michael O'Leary
Like the way he says pilots only work 18 hours per week - I wish!!
Watch from about 26 mins onward:-
RTE Late Late Show - Michael O'Leary
Like the way he says pilots only work 18 hours per week - I wish!!
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From: Island of Aphrodite
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
900 hours per annum (the legal limit) divided by 52 = 17.3
No mention of standby time, reporting time, vacation time etc etc etc
Typical O'Leary twisting the facts for headlines
900 hours per annum (the legal limit) divided by 52 = 17.3
No mention of standby time, reporting time, vacation time etc etc etc
Typical O'Leary twisting the facts for headlines
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From: Dorset UK
A free ticket for everyone in the audience!!!!!!!
A few years ago, at the company annual dinner I won 2 free tickets on Ryanair.
With the cost of phone calls to Dublin to book and airport taxes etc. the total cost was about 70 pounds. I could have bought the tickets for less.
MoL gives nothing away!!!
However he's right that Ryanair have brought the cost of flying down so that almost any body can now afford to fly.
Unfortunately that includes a lot of undesirable and rude people.
I only fly Ryanair if I have no other choice.
A few years ago, at the company annual dinner I won 2 free tickets on Ryanair.
With the cost of phone calls to Dublin to book and airport taxes etc. the total cost was about 70 pounds. I could have bought the tickets for less.
MoL gives nothing away!!!
However he's right that Ryanair have brought the cost of flying down so that almost any body can now afford to fly.
Unfortunately that includes a lot of undesirable and rude people.
I only fly Ryanair if I have no other choice.
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Last year I did 800hrs (F/O). Add on the 45mins prior (official, but 1hr 15m in reality) and 30mins after, gives me 1800hrs duty with no allocated breaks or lunch period. I am then forced to take 6 weeks a year hols. Meaning the average working year (due to our roster pattern) means I work 10 months and one week.
We work normally 3 weeks a month (again due to the roster pattern). Meaning my average working week is 58hrs. ..........not counting standby's and extra duty for delays, cancellations, etc.
I normally get €80.5 per hour for my 800hrs. But when you factor in the extra (official) report times then I am actually only earning the equivalent of €35 per hour for my total time at the 'office'.
We work normally 3 weeks a month (again due to the roster pattern). Meaning my average working week is 58hrs. ..........not counting standby's and extra duty for delays, cancellations, etc.
I normally get €80.5 per hour for my 800hrs. But when you factor in the extra (official) report times then I am actually only earning the equivalent of €35 per hour for my total time at the 'office'.
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The worst thing to have happened to aviation was this ....thing.Has made hundreds and hundreds of millions for himself and the Ryans whilst screwing his staff with all his low life scumbag ways.Still the only company in Ireland that isn't bankrupt so must be a genius.A shining example of 80s management theory gone wrong.
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"Like the way he says pilots only work 18 hours per week - I wish!!"
It is a legal requirement to keep a record of annual duty hours of all pilots. Thus this claim can be easily challenged, and the correct data published, under a freedom of information request to IAA. If IALPA was so minded it might have a good PR moment against RYR. It could then ask the open question of "if they are telling porkies about this, what else might they be telling porkies about?" That's politics.
It is a legal requirement to keep a record of annual duty hours of all pilots. Thus this claim can be easily challenged, and the correct data published, under a freedom of information request to IAA. If IALPA was so minded it might have a good PR moment against RYR. It could then ask the open question of "if they are telling porkies about this, what else might they be telling porkies about?" That's politics.
Ryanair Pilots
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From: Netherlands
Showing such disrespect for your own workforce will turn against you on the long run.
What is MOL trying to achieve?
A massive walkout?
A strike?
Everyone joining IALPA? (they should)
I agree. This is the best free advert that IALPA could have only dreamt about.
What is MOL trying to achieve?
A massive walkout?
A strike?
Everyone joining IALPA? (they should)
I agree. This is the best free advert that IALPA could have only dreamt about.
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From: UK
The guy clearly has done something right to make Ryanair in to what they are today.
I'd have thought the business be more successful if he had the pilots on their side and not using slating them as glorified taxi drivers on a complex taxi.
The excuse as to why they charge 50 euros for the job application was dreadful and just another !!!!ty way of getting money out of the would-be's who are going to jump and pay for it.
Got a few mates at Ryanair now who say after the novelty wearing off of the jet flying they regret making the move to go there. Each of them trying to go to the sandpit now because they're fed up with the lifestyle working for MOL.
Did make me laugh tho with the customer comments and reasons for wanting to take out the toilets because "the London underground is safe to stand on"
I'd have thought the business be more successful if he had the pilots on their side and not using slating them as glorified taxi drivers on a complex taxi.
The excuse as to why they charge 50 euros for the job application was dreadful and just another !!!!ty way of getting money out of the would-be's who are going to jump and pay for it.
Got a few mates at Ryanair now who say after the novelty wearing off of the jet flying they regret making the move to go there. Each of them trying to go to the sandpit now because they're fed up with the lifestyle working for MOL.
Did make me laugh tho with the customer comments and reasons for wanting to take out the toilets because "the London underground is safe to stand on"
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From: In a far better place
Folks, you are pissing and moaning on the wrong forum. MOL has made this claim many a time over the past 5 years. Many a pilot on PPrune are aware that MOL is equivalent to a floating !!!! in a punch bowl. It's time to fight back... words with words.
Why not petition RTE for equal TV time? The little gnome own RTE? Provide charts indicating flight and duty times. Leave emotions out of the presentation and stick only to the facts and keep it strictly business. Don't sink to that little pissant's level. It's the best way to get the message out to the public. You guys should counter each claim made that that putz in every media available to the FR pilots.
I doubt the FR pilot would come close to being fired. You think FR would want to risk another retribution law suit
?
Good luck and go get him
.
Why not petition RTE for equal TV time? The little gnome own RTE? Provide charts indicating flight and duty times. Leave emotions out of the presentation and stick only to the facts and keep it strictly business. Don't sink to that little pissant's level. It's the best way to get the message out to the public. You guys should counter each claim made that that putz in every media available to the FR pilots.
I doubt the FR pilot would come close to being fired. You think FR would want to risk another retribution law suit
?Good luck and go get him
.
Last edited by captjns; 22nd January 2012 at 01:33.