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BA Pilots Ponder BMI Proposal

Old 1st Feb 2012, 17:49
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There are plenty of people who are prepared to work - but it's in spite, rather than because of Ts and Cs - and a fair number in ignorance. A noticeable number leave after a few months to go back to previous jobs. There are few airlines, charter, loco or other, that would expect you to survive on 900 per month - especially based in London - because they have rostered all of your hours in 10 months. MF Ts and Cs are below market rate - "because they can". If bmi cabin crew are offered a choice between their existing Ts and Cs and becoming part of BA with MF Ts and Cs, I would think pretty carefully about what you want from their job ....
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 18:46
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'There are a lot of willing candidates who are prepared to work on those Ts and Cs interviewing in droves at The Rivers: just remember how naff the charter / lo-co Ts and Cs are and even MF looks good.'
However 'naff' the charter and low cost t&c's are what people count on these days is how much they will take home at the end of the month....both low cost and charter are taking home MUCH more than MF.
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 18:59
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tomkins,

I agree with you.

Fatehunter,

Charter crews are well paid and have considerably more time off than the rest. I know a few "junior" crew with a charter airline and some MF cabin crew too. The charter lot take home about 200 per month (minimum) more.
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 19:02
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Just heard that BMI baby has been sold off.

Sorry if irrelevant or under the wrong topic.
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 19:03
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Midland cabin crew current T&C are good, and pays fairly well. We are under no illusion that MF terms are better. Many of us would be unable to live on the current MF pay!!
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 19:13
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Midland cabin crew current T&C are good, and pays fairly well. We are under no illusion that MF terms are better. Many of us would be unable to live on the current MF pay
'say again ,over'
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 20:22
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Can we stick to the topic - as per the Header please?

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Old 1st Feb 2012, 20:30
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Count,

Please read the post before yours...the one about sticking to the topic.

Thanks sweetie.
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 21:39
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Point of order if I may: What is commonly known as 'Scope' applies ONLY to BA owned and operated aircraft (of 100 seats or more) flying to/from LHR/LGW. It most definitely does NOT apply to the 'brand' - see BA Cityflyer or Open Skies. Nor, crucially does it apply to 'slots'!!!

Much yet to play out here I fear!!!

PS: As we all know, IAG have chosen to totally ignore Iberia's more binding Scope clause regardless! I see no reason why they would behave differently in London, should they decide it was in their interests so to do!

Scope is dead. Safety in numbers is the only game here.
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Old 1st Feb 2012, 21:46
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As for sticking to the point, the one that the Count is making is that he clearly has a hard on for BA pilots and BALPA. Nothing that he posts on here has content that evades his bilious excretions where BALPA is concerned.

Perhaps a recent legal judgement that allows an independent expert access to BASSA forum archives, the result of which may, or may not, prove embarassing, has generated another acid attack in the stomach of the count.

Either way BA pilots have voted in such a way as to encourage BMI pilots to have a more optimistic view of the future, bearing in mind that nothing is set in stone.


The statement, "Unlike BALPA, there is no conflict of interest within BASSA's membership." is clearly rubbish proved by the huge numbers of BASSA cabin crew who worked through the recent dispute, in addition, BASSA leadership regularly trumpeted the "more than 10,000 cabin crew in BASSA mantra" which, on the count's own admission seems to have dwindled to a mere
"7000 of which stuck together ".

Get the flea out of your backside, count, and try to do something positive!
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:01
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So where will the BMI pilots be placed on the BA seniority list?
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:10
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In seniority order I would guess?
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:13
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Still to be agreed/decided. There's a 90 day consultation starting between BALPA and the BMI crew with the overriding TUPE regulations to be complied with.

As there are 3300 BA and around 300 BMI whatever is decided is unlikely to have a huge impact on things - although many will huff and puff regardless of which solution is proposed.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:23
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"There's a 90 day consultation starting between BALPA and the BMI crew"

No there isn't, that is a complete fabrication.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:26
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Yes there is, that's the law.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:29
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The law does not say that BALPA have to consult bmi crew, nor does it stipulate 90 days for TUPE consultations, nor are any such consultations starting now.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:31
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90 days as per the law. I doubt IAG would circumvent the law?
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:37
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Seriously, don't comment if you don't know what you are talking about.

There is no requirement for 90 days consultation under TUPE. Consultation yes, 90 days, no!

The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006

I'm curious to know what BA pilots think thay have actually voted for. I mean, they are mostly saying that bmi will be "integrated" but what do they think that actually means?
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 16:38
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'I doubt IAG would circumvent the law?'

Probally not but whats happening at KLM/AF has probally got Walsh thinking a little.

KLM was never a good tie up with AF.I just hope he keeps IB well away from BA.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 17:52
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BMI pilots will join at the bottom of the BA seniority list in the order of their BMI date of joining. BMI Captains and FOs will continue to be A320 Captains and FOs in BA....BUT....when a 'former' BMI Captain vacates his / her A320 command (in BA) then a former BMI FO will have first call on that command in BMI FO seniority order provided that the FO has remained on the A320 fleet, i.e. not changed fleets. It's the only way to ensure TUPE is preserved for BMI crews AND no BA pilot is disadvantaged which is what was assured prior to the recent vote.
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