Ryanair/Brookfield new contracts
...will they ever find/reach the bottom !
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Al Murdoch
3 of my best mates are FR Skippers:
1 is an LTC at STN, knows nothing else. thinks it's a good gig;
1 is a Captain in Scotland. More realistic, but can't be bothered to try and change anything, and;
1 is a Captain in the UK Midlands. He's just accepted a summer only base move for 2012 in order to be nearer home. He has no idea if he'll stay in the new base, be sent back to old UK base (unlikely), or move to Emirates. Application nearly complete by all accounts.
They all know that it's a sh1t gig, but for their own reasons won't ever admit it.
Coincidentally, a less than 1 year Brookfield FO has rented the house next to mine this week.
I've just sold my house. I can see house prices falling.
1 is an LTC at STN, knows nothing else. thinks it's a good gig;
1 is a Captain in Scotland. More realistic, but can't be bothered to try and change anything, and;
1 is a Captain in the UK Midlands. He's just accepted a summer only base move for 2012 in order to be nearer home. He has no idea if he'll stay in the new base, be sent back to old UK base (unlikely), or move to Emirates. Application nearly complete by all accounts.
They all know that it's a sh1t gig, but for their own reasons won't ever admit it.
Coincidentally, a less than 1 year Brookfield FO has rented the house next to mine this week.
I've just sold my house. I can see house prices falling.
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'They all know that it's a sh1t gig, but for their own reasons won't ever admit it.'
You hit the nail on the head Narrow Runway. This is certainly part ( but not the whole ) problem. Proud pilots refusing to admit that their current conditions are vile out of embarrassment or whatever other reason,hence their is no push to improve our plight. The best they can come up with is 'roster is good and reasonably close to home'. Sorry that isn't a career for the long run. Its also not acceptable, in my eyes, to be a contractor for my whole career.Being a contractor for a prolonged period has a detrimental effect on public health/social welfare benefits. A full PAYE workers get far more as the employer pays more than a self employed individual. Self employed individuals are in a lower benefits band.
In most industries contracts are seen as short term 'fixes'.However Ryanair has abused this and created the 'contractor for life' group.
You hit the nail on the head Narrow Runway. This is certainly part ( but not the whole ) problem. Proud pilots refusing to admit that their current conditions are vile out of embarrassment or whatever other reason,hence their is no push to improve our plight. The best they can come up with is 'roster is good and reasonably close to home'. Sorry that isn't a career for the long run. Its also not acceptable, in my eyes, to be a contractor for my whole career.Being a contractor for a prolonged period has a detrimental effect on public health/social welfare benefits. A full PAYE workers get far more as the employer pays more than a self employed individual. Self employed individuals are in a lower benefits band.
In most industries contracts are seen as short term 'fixes'.However Ryanair has abused this and created the 'contractor for life' group.
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Al Murdoch,
I was one, & frequently said this to my colleagues ( & on occasions had it said to me , from former colleagues in other companies, & others in different careers when they discovered the "reality" of our Ts & C's as opposed to what they imagined) It sometimes caused offence, but most took it, as I did, as a reminder of what we collectively were failing to do, which in fact is probably less to do with growing a pair,more to do with growing up & seeing beyond your own insular little view of life.
As posted above, most know it is sh1t, and a combination of apathy, burying the head in the sand, leaving plans, & short term personal gain vs helping everyone in the long term keeps anything from changing.
Was always thus, & I personally doubt it will ever change, but would LOVE to be proved wrong at some future date.
I always wonder what it will take,& how low Ryanair will have to sink, to enrage people enough to take action, as kids ask " are we there yet " ? ? personally I think you were years ago.
I was one, & frequently said this to my colleagues ( & on occasions had it said to me , from former colleagues in other companies, & others in different careers when they discovered the "reality" of our Ts & C's as opposed to what they imagined) It sometimes caused offence, but most took it, as I did, as a reminder of what we collectively were failing to do, which in fact is probably less to do with growing a pair,more to do with growing up & seeing beyond your own insular little view of life.
As posted above, most know it is sh1t, and a combination of apathy, burying the head in the sand, leaving plans, & short term personal gain vs helping everyone in the long term keeps anything from changing.
Was always thus, & I personally doubt it will ever change, but would LOVE to be proved wrong at some future date.
I always wonder what it will take,& how low Ryanair will have to sink, to enrage people enough to take action, as kids ask " are we there yet " ? ? personally I think you were years ago.
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For those of you who have not seen the new BRK contract. You don't realise what the future holds for you. It is by far the worst contract in Ryanair so far, no leave from March to October no fixed roster pattern anything up to 7 working days are outlined in the contract.
It is a scam there is no future in Ryanair for anyone unless we stand up for better contracts.
Its also about being a professional at this stage JOIN IALPA JOIN REPA.ORG if you haven't already.
It is a scam there is no future in Ryanair for anyone unless we stand up for better contracts.
Its also about being a professional at this stage JOIN IALPA JOIN REPA.ORG if you haven't already.
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"no fixed roster pattern" 
About the only thing , thus far, worth staying for.
I always wondered what it would take, maybe this is it ?
Last one out turn off the lights please.
About the only thing , thus far, worth staying for.
I always wondered what it would take, maybe this is it ?
Last one out turn off the lights please.
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Regardless of cost saving by not diverting the bigger picture is:
Airport shut means:
1. Airlines insurance 'nul and void' and if you happen to break it on landing or taxying in the insurance company will just laugh down the phone when the company puts its claim in.
2. No fire cover.
Nuf said!
Theres a reason why we as pilots cant make it up as we go along.
Airport shut means:
1. Airlines insurance 'nul and void' and if you happen to break it on landing or taxying in the insurance company will just laugh down the phone when the company puts its claim in.
2. No fire cover.
Nuf said!
Theres a reason why we as pilots cant make it up as we go along.
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Say Mach Number, it is a bit of a side -dish to the main topic here, but did they actually land @ BVA when it was closed ? can't imagine that ATC said "clear to land" in that case ? (well they could just have switched off the runway lights )
As an ex (not current) FR Driver I (obviously ) haven't seen crewdoc, surely FFS they didn't land when the airport was closed ? night curfew = one thing, but if it was actually CLOSED ?
surely not ?
As an ex (not current) FR Driver I (obviously ) haven't seen crewdoc, surely FFS they didn't land when the airport was closed ? night curfew = one thing, but if it was actually CLOSED ?
surely not ?
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BVA curfew bust
Before this incident, I recall sitting on the ramp at BVA; awaiting departure. There was a FR inbound from the south, running behind schedule. They were very aware that their subsequent turnaround and departure would possibly exceed the curfew time. It was clear that they were uncertain what to do. A) Land and disembark the pax, then try to negotiate a quick turnaround. B) Land and disembark then turnaround empty. C) Try to get ops to negotiate an extension to the curfew. D) Divert to Lille - which subsequently would lead to disembarking and departing empty or overnighting. Waiting for the pax to be bused wasn't an option due to FTLs. They were clearly looking for some assistance and asked the French handlers to relay a message to Ops. They were unable to. I don't know what their decision was, however it was clear that the CPT was in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' conundrum. Typical really. Maybe some **** in Dublin should invest in ACARS, instead of heamorging money on sh1te in order to satisfy an overly inflated ego or two!
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ACARS. . . phew 
it would have cost something to install it, but H O W much it could have saved them in the long term. 
Always thought the failure to install it was a prime example of "penny-wise / pound-foolish", would have been invaluable to keeping the show on the road in FR. Major own-goal there.
it would have cost something to install it, but H O W much it could have saved them in the long term. Always thought the failure to install it was a prime example of "penny-wise / pound-foolish", would have been invaluable to keeping the show on the road in FR. Major own-goal there.
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New Contracts are leaving a lot of people reeling, Realisation of what the future holds in this airline is starting to dawn on many.
These new contracts do not stpulate a home base no fixed roster and anything up to 7 days on 2 days off also no annual leave from March to October.
We should realise our basic right human and civil to organise our labour.
JOIN IALPA for your legal protection, for your colleagues, for your future.
THIS MANAGEMENT FEAR US!
These new contracts do not stpulate a home base no fixed roster and anything up to 7 days on 2 days off also no annual leave from March to October.
We should realise our basic right human and civil to organise our labour.
JOIN IALPA for your legal protection, for your colleagues, for your future.
THIS MANAGEMENT FEAR US!
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Withdraw your labour on an organised basis.
Watch the Board remove MOL and Bonderman instantly.
Watch the Management be reshuffled. See your contacts rewritten.
The Shareholders cannot dare afford a complete stoppage.
I know it is easy to say rather than do, but you have no choice, otherwise it will just keep getting worse.
I took the easy option and left for somewhere better, was not a difficult choice. It is a truism though, this is of our own making for being spineless and divided.
Good luck.
Watch the Board remove MOL and Bonderman instantly.
Watch the Management be reshuffled. See your contacts rewritten.
The Shareholders cannot dare afford a complete stoppage.
I know it is easy to say rather than do, but you have no choice, otherwise it will just keep getting worse.
I took the easy option and left for somewhere better, was not a difficult choice. It is a truism though, this is of our own making for being spineless and divided.
Good luck.
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IALPA have already given us a response regarding the new contract, and have advised that their full response will arrive tomorrow. Of course, if you're not a member, than you wouldn't know that would you? 
Please join REPA & IALPA.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Safe flying.
Please join REPA & IALPA.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Safe flying.
