Virgin Atlantic Pilot Strike Ballot
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BALPA: Talks will end today: BALPA - BALPA REMAIN IN VIRGIN TALKS
Anyone got a decent insight in to Beardy's mind on this?
With a high turnout and high vote for action, I guess that Beardy's call will be key.
Will he support the poor, grossly underpaid management, or will he support the poor, grossly underpaid pilots?
With a high turnout and high vote for action, I guess that Beardy's call will be key.
Will he support the poor, grossly underpaid management, or will he support the poor, grossly underpaid pilots?
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Count N, the VS IA APPEARED to be only about money because a strike can only be called with ONE cause under UK law. In truth it was as much about working conditions, trust and respect of the company management.
Whatever the case, hopefully the result will be fair for all concerned, and lessons will have been learned by VS management regarding the professionalism and value to the company of their exceptional crews who in good faith took a big financial hit to help the company in difficult times.
Trust and respect have to work two ways, and I hope this will shift the direction in a positive manner in the long term
Whatever the case, hopefully the result will be fair for all concerned, and lessons will have been learned by VS management regarding the professionalism and value to the company of their exceptional crews who in good faith took a big financial hit to help the company in difficult times.
Trust and respect have to work two ways, and I hope this will shift the direction in a positive manner in the long term
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Well.. all I can say is "Thank God".. I'm on Flight 4 on Monday JFK to LHR and would hate to have missed out.. I have to get my Class 1 renewal and refresh my jaded palate with some good English bitter.. don't mind being stuck in the UK so if you guys feel like it, go ahead with the strike on the 18th.. I'll rest easily in my favourite pub in the Cotswolds... 
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Well done!
Hats off to the Virgin Aircrew for standing your ground and saying enough is enough. I think quite rightly management have decided to "work" with a skilled labour group albeit with a slight threat!
I think the big difference here was your solidarity and firm resolve to get your pay issue fixed and it goes to show that the suits cannot always walk over their manpower assets. Respect!
I think the big difference here was your solidarity and firm resolve to get your pay issue fixed and it goes to show that the suits cannot always walk over their manpower assets. Respect!
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Can we please show a little more respect?
Sir Richard Branson is a VERY successful businessman and should be respected as such.
I may not agree with 100% of his action and he probably wouldn't agree totally with anyone else for that matter but respect where respect is due.
"Beardy" is derogatory and only fuels resentment. there s enough bad feeling in VS at the moment without this.
Sir Richard Branson is a VERY successful businessman and should be respected as such.
I may not agree with 100% of his action and he probably wouldn't agree totally with anyone else for that matter but respect where respect is due.
"Beardy" is derogatory and only fuels resentment. there s enough bad feeling in VS at the moment without this.
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"Beardy" is derogatory and only fuels resentment. there s enough bad feeling in VS at the moment without this.
Yes, one should not call the Wooley Pully 'Beardy'
Good on the VS guys n gals, and keep the threat of IA in your back pocket.
Yes, one should not call the Wooley Pully 'Beardy'
Good on the VS guys n gals, and keep the threat of IA in your back pocket.
Respect should be a two way thing. Have you forgotten the letter to the cabin crew when they threatened to strike. More recently his letter to the pilots did not address the issues concerning the ballot ie not just pay but the style of (mis)management.
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It has never been about respect or indeed money primarily.
It has always been about FAIRNESS.
Disproportionate wage increases and crew discontent has evolved into the VS brand being an unhappy workplace, which in turn is reflected in the treatment of the passengers.
Bringing fairness back into the equation will result in happier crews working more productively and therefore being reflected in a more pleasant experience for the travelling passengers.
Another misconception on here is the belief that SRB plays any kind of active role in the day to day running of his airline.
It has always been about FAIRNESS.
Disproportionate wage increases and crew discontent has evolved into the VS brand being an unhappy workplace, which in turn is reflected in the treatment of the passengers.
Bringing fairness back into the equation will result in happier crews working more productively and therefore being reflected in a more pleasant experience for the travelling passengers.
Another misconception on here is the belief that SRB plays any kind of active role in the day to day running of his airline.
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It seems to me as a neutral observer that the root cause of this dispute has been the lack of integrity displayed by the VS management in their dealings with their Pilots.
Within the Pilot community at my employer (one of the UK charter 'majors') there is frequently wide disagreement on almost all aspects of relations with the Company management. I don't suppose that things were much different amongst the VS folk a few years ago. That they have achieved such solidarity on the token issue of pay reveals just how badly they have been let down by their 'management' and how little respect they have been given in recent years.
Well done on your joint stance chaps. Hopefully your managers will in future stick to what they have previously agreed and 'going forward' (
) will treat you with the respect you deserve..... you certainly have mine.
Within the Pilot community at my employer (one of the UK charter 'majors') there is frequently wide disagreement on almost all aspects of relations with the Company management. I don't suppose that things were much different amongst the VS folk a few years ago. That they have achieved such solidarity on the token issue of pay reveals just how badly they have been let down by their 'management' and how little respect they have been given in recent years.
Well done on your joint stance chaps. Hopefully your managers will in future stick to what they have previously agreed and 'going forward' (
) will treat you with the respect you deserve..... you certainly have mine.
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BBK, yes I agree respect should be a two way street and it is earned and not given away.
However SRB has earned this respect unlike our pilot management, who have, at best sat and watched this unfold doing nothing to stem the bad feeling within crews and at worst caused the bad feeling due to their own self importance and self promotion. We have a combination of teflon coated good for nothings and turncoats in middle management and downright crooks in top level management. The flight ops department is now run by HR who know nothing about our jobs at the pointy end of a jet, they assume we go to work fly the aircraft and go home, they have never done anything like this job so cannot be expected to know our day to day lives. No, they should not be running flight ops with this background, but they are and until we get rid of this revolving door management style, they are here to stay, as are the CV greasers who screw a few quid out of crews add it to their CV as a saving and clear off to another job selling mobile phones or the next crowd that will fall for the bull**** they spread.
The guys teed up to replace this lot are no better either.
re the letter to CC as I said I don't agree with everything SRB has done and I'm fairly sure he is only given one side of any argument.
The letter to pilots was a press release and not intended to do anything other than get the public on his side. It in no way addressed any of the problems being discussed. This is the way he work, get over it. It works for him and he has virtually no input in VS other than the odd front man in publicity stunts and launches.
However SRB has earned this respect unlike our pilot management, who have, at best sat and watched this unfold doing nothing to stem the bad feeling within crews and at worst caused the bad feeling due to their own self importance and self promotion. We have a combination of teflon coated good for nothings and turncoats in middle management and downright crooks in top level management. The flight ops department is now run by HR who know nothing about our jobs at the pointy end of a jet, they assume we go to work fly the aircraft and go home, they have never done anything like this job so cannot be expected to know our day to day lives. No, they should not be running flight ops with this background, but they are and until we get rid of this revolving door management style, they are here to stay, as are the CV greasers who screw a few quid out of crews add it to their CV as a saving and clear off to another job selling mobile phones or the next crowd that will fall for the bull**** they spread.
The guys teed up to replace this lot are no better either.
re the letter to CC as I said I don't agree with everything SRB has done and I'm fairly sure he is only given one side of any argument.
The letter to pilots was a press release and not intended to do anything other than get the public on his side. It in no way addressed any of the problems being discussed. This is the way he work, get over it. It works for him and he has virtually no input in VS other than the odd front man in publicity stunts and launches.
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cpdlcuser. Your comments about VS's flight planning are so dead on. HR are flexing their muscles and pretty soon the pilots will have an HR rep telling them what to do. My advice is to join HR..they are the future of the airline!