Outstation / Secondary Base Promotions - how does/should it work?
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Outstation / Secondary Base Promotions - how does/should it work?
Our airline is setting up its first outstation. The new base is in a more desirable city than the Main Hub. There are more volunteers than crews needed. But obviously not everybody wants to move.
Now how do you staff such a base? Seniority rules, so for now, the first 20 Captains and 20 F/O's in order of seniority get to go. But now how do you promote?
When a Captain position comes up at the new base, do you take the senior F/o at the base and promote him?
Do you first offer the job to existing Captains at the hub? And then replace that Captain with the F/o on top of the seniority list?
Do you offer the promotion to the next senior F/O in the company and if he doesnt want to move there, go down the list until you find someone who does want to go and then promote him and pay the others pass-over pay?
What to do?
Now how do you staff such a base? Seniority rules, so for now, the first 20 Captains and 20 F/O's in order of seniority get to go. But now how do you promote?
When a Captain position comes up at the new base, do you take the senior F/o at the base and promote him?
Do you first offer the job to existing Captains at the hub? And then replace that Captain with the F/o on top of the seniority list?
Do you offer the promotion to the next senior F/O in the company and if he doesnt want to move there, go down the list until you find someone who does want to go and then promote him and pay the others pass-over pay?
What to do?
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A fair system is extremely hard to create, did you factor in a pilot in the out base with a direct family member dying or with a longterm illness requiring them to be at the other base? so many variables.
What is important is a system, same for everyone with no confusion.
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What is important is a system, same for everyone with no confusion.
No sexual favours
I find this pretty interesting.
I have a very good friend who is a captain with Delta.
Now most of you out there would probably give your left bollock to be a captain with Delta.
My mate is being bu**ered about like there is no tomorrow.
In the last three years of his family life, he has gone from:
Commuting to DDD as an A330 Captain.
Commuting to MMM as a Boeing 742 Captain.
Commuting to DDD as a Boeing 744 Captain.
Commutingto MMM as an A330 Captain.
And now they have closed the base so he can either have:
B744 at Atlanta, Seattle or Anchorage.
So, he has had three aircraft changes and three base changes in three years with one of the very top airlines in the world.
So, how do you think your future is going to pan out?
Where exactly on the planet is the grass greener any more?
I am exceedingly glad that I retired on a very good final salary scheme some years ago.
Good luck to all of you.
I have a very good friend who is a captain with Delta.
Now most of you out there would probably give your left bollock to be a captain with Delta.
My mate is being bu**ered about like there is no tomorrow.
In the last three years of his family life, he has gone from:
Commuting to DDD as an A330 Captain.
Commuting to MMM as a Boeing 742 Captain.
Commuting to DDD as a Boeing 744 Captain.
Commutingto MMM as an A330 Captain.
And now they have closed the base so he can either have:
B744 at Atlanta, Seattle or Anchorage.
So, he has had three aircraft changes and three base changes in three years with one of the very top airlines in the world.
So, how do you think your future is going to pan out?
Where exactly on the planet is the grass greener any more?
I am exceedingly glad that I retired on a very good final salary scheme some years ago.
Good luck to all of you.
"This isn't much of a story"
Now that isn't strictly true is it? My friend has already had three changes in three years so that is already historical fact.
Now then, I didn't quite read his last email with sufficient care so that is my fault. His next choice is either A330 at ATL, DTW or SEA or B744 at DTW.
Whichever way you look at it, he is faced with yet another move at the end of the year so he is still on the road again wherever he goes.
"This isn't much of a story" - really?
Now that isn't strictly true is it? My friend has already had three changes in three years so that is already historical fact.
Now then, I didn't quite read his last email with sufficient care so that is my fault. His next choice is either A330 at ATL, DTW or SEA or B744 at DTW.
Whichever way you look at it, he is faced with yet another move at the end of the year so he is still on the road again wherever he goes.
"This isn't much of a story" - really?
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"This isn't much of a story"
Now that isn't strictly true is it? My friend has already had three changes in three years so that is already historical fact.
Now then, I didn't quite read his last email with sufficient care so that is my fault. His next choice is either A330 at ATL, DTW or SEA or B744 at DTW.
Whichever way you look at it, he is faced with yet another move at the end of the year so he is still on the road again wherever he goes.
"This isn't much of a story" - really?
Now that isn't strictly true is it? My friend has already had three changes in three years so that is already historical fact.
Now then, I didn't quite read his last email with sufficient care so that is my fault. His next choice is either A330 at ATL, DTW or SEA or B744 at DTW.
Whichever way you look at it, he is faced with yet another move at the end of the year so he is still on the road again wherever he goes.
"This isn't much of a story" - really?
On the bright side, at least your friend although moving around isn't swapping countries of residence every couple of years like most of us. I would imagine this does a great deal for his peace of mind with regard to taxation, social security, healthcare and pension.
We are also exceedingly glad that you retired a couple of years ago.
"On the bright side, at least your friend.................with regard to taxation, social security & pension".
You have just illustrated your complete ignorance about what it is like to work in the USA (please remember that it is rather a large continent).
I will give you a modest example. When I worked out there, federal withholding tax (PAYE) was pretty universal. However, there was a 15% state tax in New York and a 10% city tax on top of that.
So, can you imagine that you are posted from NCL to LPL and then find that you have just lost 25% of your earnings? Don't you think that matters? You, it would appear, would not mind this at all.
As to "having to change bases around Europe every couple of years".
I would imagine that just about everyone in FR already does this and I doubt that they didn't know that before they joined.
For the record, I have had to work in the following countries (apart from UK) during my career:
Aden
Bahrain
USA (California, New York & Honolulu)
Bangladesh
Fiji
Belgium
"We are also exceedingly glad that you retired a couple of years ago"
I do love your use of the word "we". This is normally a Royal prerogative but I am happy to hear from you exactly which organisation has authorised you to speak on their behalf.
You have just illustrated your complete ignorance about what it is like to work in the USA (please remember that it is rather a large continent).
I will give you a modest example. When I worked out there, federal withholding tax (PAYE) was pretty universal. However, there was a 15% state tax in New York and a 10% city tax on top of that.
So, can you imagine that you are posted from NCL to LPL and then find that you have just lost 25% of your earnings? Don't you think that matters? You, it would appear, would not mind this at all.
As to "having to change bases around Europe every couple of years".
I would imagine that just about everyone in FR already does this and I doubt that they didn't know that before they joined.
For the record, I have had to work in the following countries (apart from UK) during my career:
Aden
Bahrain
USA (California, New York & Honolulu)
Bangladesh
Fiji
Belgium
"We are also exceedingly glad that you retired a couple of years ago"
I do love your use of the word "we". This is normally a Royal prerogative but I am happy to hear from you exactly which organisation has authorised you to speak on their behalf.
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"On the bright side, at least your friend.................with regard to taxation, social security & pension".
You have just illustrated your complete ignorance about what it is like to work in the USA (please remember that it is rather a large continent).
I will give you a modest example. When I worked out there, federal withholding tax (PAYE) was pretty universal. However, there was a 15% state tax in New York and a 10% city tax on top of that.
So, can you imagine that you are posted from NCL to LPL and then find that you have just lost 25% of your earnings? Don't you think that matters? You, it would appear, would not mind this at all.
As to "having to change bases around Europe every couple of years".
I would imagine that just about everyone in FR already does this and I doubt that they didn't know that before they joined.
For the record, I have had to work in the following countries (apart from UK) during my career:
Aden
Bahrain
USA (California, New York & Honolulu)
Bangladesh
Fiji
Belgium
"We are also exceedingly glad that you retired a couple of years ago"
I do love your use of the word "we". This is normally a Royal prerogative but I am happy to hear from you exactly which organisation has authorised you to speak on their behalf.
You have just illustrated your complete ignorance about what it is like to work in the USA (please remember that it is rather a large continent).
I will give you a modest example. When I worked out there, federal withholding tax (PAYE) was pretty universal. However, there was a 15% state tax in New York and a 10% city tax on top of that.
So, can you imagine that you are posted from NCL to LPL and then find that you have just lost 25% of your earnings? Don't you think that matters? You, it would appear, would not mind this at all.
As to "having to change bases around Europe every couple of years".
I would imagine that just about everyone in FR already does this and I doubt that they didn't know that before they joined.
For the record, I have had to work in the following countries (apart from UK) during my career:
Aden
Bahrain
USA (California, New York & Honolulu)
Bangladesh
Fiji
Belgium
"We are also exceedingly glad that you retired a couple of years ago"
I do love your use of the word "we". This is normally a Royal prerogative but I am happy to hear from you exactly which organisation has authorised you to speak on their behalf.
Of all the examples I gave taxation is most likely the least worrisome. Even a state levy on top of federal taxes is unlikely to throw the scales by 25%.
My concern is about social security contributions, medicare and pension contributions. Being able to stay within the same regulatory system for the larger part of your career is undoubtedly the most beneficial. That was what I was pointing at in my previous comment.
