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Xerox,
I live and work in France for a UK airline. Most of my colleagues are French.
The airline will continue to expand in France.
A lot of your Countrymen and Women are glad to be employed earning a decent wage with this airline.
With their chances of getting into Air France virtually nil they are (on the whole) grateful for the employment...provided by the 'gogols'
I live and work in France for a UK airline. Most of my colleagues are French.
The airline will continue to expand in France.
A lot of your Countrymen and Women are glad to be employed earning a decent wage with this airline.
With their chances of getting into Air France virtually nil they are (on the whole) grateful for the employment...provided by the 'gogols'
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Alright I will take the bait. What a load of cobblers. Do you think a company like ezy would lock itself into an agreement where it can not control it's own recruitment?
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So let's get some facts straight. Can somebody shed some light on what's going on at easyjet this summer/autumn. Will easyjet continue to hire cadets from ctc/oaa or will they start recruiting direct entry fo's while they wait for the new orange mpl's? Are there any changes in the the contractor/flexicrew schemes regarding the possibility for a permanent contract. How about bases for newly hired, can you choose base as a flexicrewpilot? Where are you most likely to end up in europe, is it a lottery? Please feel free to pm me.
Many thanks
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The word on the street, or in the air, is that cadets will continue to be a strong recruitment target for easyJet, but due to SFO updrades/desertions there will be a CAA worrying experience gap in the FO demographic (do I sound too management? - I'm not, I assure you).
There is a belief among trainers that direct entry FOs will be taken on at some point this year, but the numbers are closer to someone else's chest than mine, so I can't offer useful specifics. Experience requirements are likely to be in the range not covered by early year cadets (namely sub 1500 hours) and I suspect a full ATPL will be expected.
MPLs, well, this is a very unwelcome turn of events for existing pilots - particularly trainers - and I'm not sure when or if the airline will see its first intake.
Finally, due to a little airline set book I have out at the moment, I can not possibly admit to working for easyJet, but I know hundreds that do!
Hope this helps
There is a belief among trainers that direct entry FOs will be taken on at some point this year, but the numbers are closer to someone else's chest than mine, so I can't offer useful specifics. Experience requirements are likely to be in the range not covered by early year cadets (namely sub 1500 hours) and I suspect a full ATPL will be expected.
MPLs, well, this is a very unwelcome turn of events for existing pilots - particularly trainers - and I'm not sure when or if the airline will see its first intake.
Finally, due to a little airline set book I have out at the moment, I can not possibly admit to working for easyJet, but I know hundreds that do!
Hope this helps
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MPLs, well, this is a very unwelcome turn of events for existing pilots - particularly trainers - and I'm not sure when or if the airline will see its first intake.
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Yes of course.
There is a strong feeling within easyJet that, like BA a few years ago, easyJet pilots should be fully contracted employees and not supplied through agencies or training providers. This has already led to a proposal whereby any cadet, having spent 18 trouble free months at the company will be awarded a permanent contract of employment. Currently cadets work for three years as non employed pilots, no pension, no security, no basic salaray. They are paid only when they fly.
After three years they may be offered a permanent contract of employment or they may be sent back to CTC or Parc. They also have the opportunity to apply for permanent jobs as a when available, but they have to pass an easyJet assessment (even though they are already flying the line).
The fear at easyJet is that the company wants to make all pilots (eventually) flexi-crew pilots, and this is certainly the way for new FOs in recent times. So the introduction of MPLs was a further step away from populating the right hand seat with permanent employees. With the change of policy, and an apparent softening of approach to the way cadets are treated, perhaps the company will rethink MPls. I don't know, and it's just an opinion which could be wrong.
As for the trainers, well they are so overworked with new entrant cadets (which require more training than DEFOs) and command upgrades that the department is at breaking point. It is feared that the introduction of MPLs is hardly going to ease the situation.
Finally, it is in no way implied anyone at easyJet, wishes to hold back anyone's career by eliminating cadets. We just want them assimilated into the company after the six month probabtionary period which used to exist. It would also be encouraging for others if the company balanced this cadet intake with DEFOs.
Hope this helps.
JT
There is a strong feeling within easyJet that, like BA a few years ago, easyJet pilots should be fully contracted employees and not supplied through agencies or training providers. This has already led to a proposal whereby any cadet, having spent 18 trouble free months at the company will be awarded a permanent contract of employment. Currently cadets work for three years as non employed pilots, no pension, no security, no basic salaray. They are paid only when they fly.
After three years they may be offered a permanent contract of employment or they may be sent back to CTC or Parc. They also have the opportunity to apply for permanent jobs as a when available, but they have to pass an easyJet assessment (even though they are already flying the line).
The fear at easyJet is that the company wants to make all pilots (eventually) flexi-crew pilots, and this is certainly the way for new FOs in recent times. So the introduction of MPLs was a further step away from populating the right hand seat with permanent employees. With the change of policy, and an apparent softening of approach to the way cadets are treated, perhaps the company will rethink MPls. I don't know, and it's just an opinion which could be wrong.
As for the trainers, well they are so overworked with new entrant cadets (which require more training than DEFOs) and command upgrades that the department is at breaking point. It is feared that the introduction of MPLs is hardly going to ease the situation.
Finally, it is in no way implied anyone at easyJet, wishes to hold back anyone's career by eliminating cadets. We just want them assimilated into the company after the six month probabtionary period which used to exist. It would also be encouraging for others if the company balanced this cadet intake with DEFOs.
Hope this helps.
JT
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If these cadets that have been joining EZY have had very little in the way of a package i.e. salary and benefits, have they all been buggering off after gaining sufficient time on type to go to other more 'grown up' airlines? (Granted it is only recently that has been an option.)
I only ask as it seems anathema to pay (for their training) to be abused for the length of time that is being suggested with no chance of a base move closer to home and no job security.
Definately not a way to foster an 'Easyjet family' culture, and loyalty.
I sincerely hope that the beancounting gypsies that perpetuate this kind of recruitment behaviour get the proverbial bite on the backside they deserve.
How are the crewing levels for this summer by the way?
Yours with love and kisses.
FC
I only ask as it seems anathema to pay (for their training) to be abused for the length of time that is being suggested with no chance of a base move closer to home and no job security.
Definately not a way to foster an 'Easyjet family' culture, and loyalty.
I sincerely hope that the beancounting gypsies that perpetuate this kind of recruitment behaviour get the proverbial bite on the backside they deserve.
How are the crewing levels for this summer by the way?
Yours with love and kisses.
FC
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You're right, it's a terrible way to treat people and is an ongoing concern. Cadets have reportedly been leaving in droves, and who can blame them. The problem is easyJet just replace them with more cadets. Crewing levels are supposed to be better than last year, but we have captains riding as safety pilots because there aren't enough FOs. We'll see.
IAEDude
If the company does recruit DEFOs then I think 2700 hours on the bus will be very attractive to them, but don't expect a quick command, long waiting list already.
JT
You're right, it's a terrible way to treat people and is an ongoing concern. Cadets have reportedly been leaving in droves, and who can blame them. The problem is easyJet just replace them with more cadets. Crewing levels are supposed to be better than last year, but we have captains riding as safety pilots because there aren't enough FOs. We'll see.
IAEDude
If the company does recruit DEFOs then I think 2700 hours on the bus will be very attractive to them, but don't expect a quick command, long waiting list already.
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If the company does recruit DEFOs then I think 2700 hours on the bus will be very attractive to them, but don't expect a quick command, long waiting list already.
We are running out of suitable SFO's to promote and next winter we will have to take in direct entry SFO's who will be suitable for command in 6-12 months.
Cheers.
Anyone see the article listed in BALPA's newsletter, regarding EZY and the desire to improve industrial relations with Flight Crew.....okay, doesn't directly mention anything about starting to recruit Direct Entry FO's or Capt.'s etc., but at least they're recognising there is a problem that requires addressing....sounds a little like Carolyn McCall knows a thing or two......i'm impressed anyway, fair play to her, hope it works well for EZY guys and gals.
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Yes, I concede, my pessimism regarding command time was a little out of date. My latest info agrees with the other post in that easyJet will almost certainly have finished off the SFO command waiting list by the end of the year. DEFOs may well enjoy a short time to command.
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Hi,
I have just counted the names on the command waiting list and there are 97 as of last month, without massive expansion or lots of captains leaving, this should keep them going for sometime? There may be other f/o s not on the list yet.
There have been some nice emails from management recently about improving pilot conditions, but they said that last year as well.
Most of us would like to see a return to mixed F/O recruitment (experienced and cadets) we can all speculate about this, but only management know what contracts/agreements etc they have with CTC.
They would probably look for DEC rather than experienced F/Os if they were running short of candidates for promotion?
The chap with 2700 on the bus could join through flexi-crew but unless you are unemployed at present, this would probably not interest you.
I have just counted the names on the command waiting list and there are 97 as of last month, without massive expansion or lots of captains leaving, this should keep them going for sometime? There may be other f/o s not on the list yet.
There have been some nice emails from management recently about improving pilot conditions, but they said that last year as well.
Most of us would like to see a return to mixed F/O recruitment (experienced and cadets) we can all speculate about this, but only management know what contracts/agreements etc they have with CTC.
They would probably look for DEC rather than experienced F/Os if they were running short of candidates for promotion?
The chap with 2700 on the bus could join through flexi-crew but unless you are unemployed at present, this would probably not interest you.
This is a Rumour Network after all, but i hear that they plan another few command courses in Nov/Dec/Jan then that's it. No more expansion and the numbers should be sufficient. Might be a long wait to command if you're not on the list.
At the end of the day, only the Ops director knows.. Orange life hopefully getting better, slowly.
At the end of the day, only the Ops director knows.. Orange life hopefully getting better, slowly.
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This is a Rumour Network after all, but i hear that they plan another few command courses in Nov/Dec/Jan then that's it. No more expansion and the numbers should be sufficient. Might be a long wait to command if you're not on the list.
Edited to add: Ignore superced.
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Originally Posted by FatFlyer
The chap with 2700 on the bus could join through flexi-crew but unless you are unemployed at present, this would probably not interest you.
, although they consider themselves an European airline 
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Definately not a way to foster an 'Easyjet family' culture, and loyalty.
"Culture" in Easyjet is an oxymoron, and not so very long ago in a seminar with a couple of score of aircrew present one of the most senior execs answered a question regarding the nurtuing of loyalty with the staggering statement "If I wanted loyalty I'd get a dog".
Culture? Go figure.
And there is a whiff of change in the air.