No season of good will at Aer Arann
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Guys, All turboprop companies in europe have turned into crap outfit, all of them. you'd better give up and go to Vietnam Airlines, I have friends who have gone there on the ATR and they are very well paid, well considered and the maintenance is top notch....
good luck
good luck
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Not necessarily, I think there is a place for turboprop operators in Europe and they need not necessarily be crap places to work. I think Flybe seems to be a decent enough example of an airline with a strategy and what seems like relatively happy crews.
Aer Arann will likely never be a Flybe but the principles are the same. Get the strategy right and bring the staff with you, then everyone's (owners, management, staff, customers) a winner.
Aer Arann will likely never be a Flybe but the principles are the same. Get the strategy right and bring the staff with you, then everyone's (owners, management, staff, customers) a winner.
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Just when l thought it couldn`t get any worse.
Not wanting a smell of Christmas past never mind this one, and bravely ignoring a humped cadaver covered in tin foil, l put in the oven a Marks and Spencer lasagne.
Guess what, some arse had changed sleeves for the checkout, l`ve just found a portion of cauliflower cheese. Cooked beautifully l should add.
Who organised this shambles ?
l won`t bother next year. Mind, l wasn`t too interested this time.
Guess what, some arse had changed sleeves for the checkout, l`ve just found a portion of cauliflower cheese. Cooked beautifully l should add.
Who organised this shambles ?
l won`t bother next year. Mind, l wasn`t too interested this time.
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I think a careful inspection of the contents before cooking is required for next year.... 
In general though, a very disappointing find on a Christmas Day. Hope you had something else in the fridge / freezer.
In general though, a very disappointing find on a Christmas Day. Hope you had something else in the fridge / freezer.
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Well guys, it looks as if more and more flights are being cancelled due to lack of crew and no good-will from crew to work days off. And why should they when all it does is give a nice fat BONUS to the CP, Director of Ops and his henchmen. Sad really. Hopefully the Govt will cop on and start asking questions as to why the flights, that they are paying for, are not being operated???
On a side note, a quick look at the website, Personally Speaking | The World Class Speaker Bureau will give you a good laugh. Especially the bit about our very humble Owner and his speeches about leadership and vision........(I think I just got sick in my mouth).
On a side note, a quick look at the website, Personally Speaking | The World Class Speaker Bureau will give you a good laugh. Especially the bit about our very humble Owner and his speeches about leadership and vision........(I think I just got sick in my mouth).
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Haven't Aer Arann recently completed a round of recruitment for cabin crew following the examinership?? Agreed though, cancelling a flight due to cabin crew shortage is not going to make your passengers happy. On top of that, I'd view that as something within the airlines control and hence all of the passenger compensation rules would kick-in?
Any signs of more flight deck recruitment to make up for the rostering issues??
Any signs of more flight deck recruitment to make up for the rostering issues??
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My understanding is that all airlines, even the man in the street, are aware of FTLs.
I am told that the head of operations is away on holiday at present and has left the shop
in the hands of a couple of juniors. It seems his ability to pass the buck
when the manure goes in the fan is missed. It's only half pinned down.
I am told that the head of operations is away on holiday at present and has left the shop
in the hands of a couple of juniors. It seems his ability to pass the buck
when the manure goes in the fan is missed. It's only half pinned down.
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I am told that the head of operations is away on holiday at present and has left the shop in the hands of a couple of juniors.
in my opinion AA needs to sort out their operations department by employing qualified operations controllers, reshuffle management to those who actually know how to run an airline,
With any luck at all aer lingus will keep on the ATR service and employ at least some of the crews, and i wish them the very best of luck, but it has to be said that any hope of AA becoming a success ended the day the transaer bunch arrived. It only ever survive from then thanks to the PSO cash.
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Well I suppose we cant expect a response from a managerial position on this post, while often there is on these threads, but since there is not much disputing all these allegations, it just goes so show the truth hurts!
Since post examinership there has been no improvement or change for the better to Aer Arann’s operational ability, if anything it’s been worse. The cold weather spell is not to blame it just revealed the soft underbelly of a disastrous structure. Yet again the operational dictators can’t be held accountable for their mistakes while the crew will be very quickly disciplined for their errors. If only the paying pax really knew how many of their flights in the cold spell weren’t cancelled due to weather but rather inefficiencies from operations. To name some horrors, Such as three flights being cancelled due to a plane diverting to a nominated airfield (which has been used for years) and had no performance de-icing tables for departure. Or a plane arriving back from a diverted airport to collect its passengers, only to be told by the ground staff that there are no passengers as the flight was cancelled by operations-the same operations which dispatched that plane in the first place. Or flights cancelled as understaffed bases had no crew to operate the following day after the pushed their crew to maximum Flight And Duty hours on the previous day, and with rest restrictions were unable to crew the planes in sufficient time to get people home for Christmas. With a massed increased of discretion reports over the past month to the IAA proving this.
The flight crew are rightly upset and have been pushed in a corner with pay cuts. Their pay increments ceased two years ago. Followed by illegal pay cuts of seven to ten percent, which was imposed to “save the company” - Yet since post examinership with new investors, the crew continue to lose 7 - 10 % of their total salary while managers rumour to have bonuses. The increased Irish tax system taking its chunk too. Furthermore you have Second, Third, Fourth year Captains being paid the same as First year Captains. So there is a pay drop every year with the incremental pay scale having being ceased illegally. It’s probably better off being cabin crew, whose basic salary was not reduced, get paid more hourly FDP rate than pilots and get paid an inflight sales end of year bonus, earning themselves as good as a F/O salary’s. This is not taking a dig at the cabin crew as they have to deal normally with the usual irate messed around passengers, but pilots still need to be compensated accordingly. And there is no pension either for crews in Aer Arann; even the tiny Arann Island Express has a pension scheme for the pilots. So every year the pilots should have been rewarded more, as they were putting more money into the company yet they are just abused more.
Leading on from the pay crisis, it can’t be resolved because of the inefficiency of the JRG (Joint Regulation Group) which was formed as company Union representation. What a farce. This was a pilot body put together which was there to protect the pilots, yet they just get bullied in every meeting by the top office managerial players who consort with the group and manipulate the pilots working standards without letting them ever being able to contest. When the paycuts commenced, the JRG group were told that they would show their financial hand and present book figures, allowing the crew peace of mind that they really were paying in and helping the company to keep afloat. Well the Office managers never kept their side of the bargain, never revealed openly figures and continued to misuse company money in ridiculous day to day running cost situations, then came examinership, and let us not start on managerial bonuses written into their contracts yet. This all while a skeleton flight crew in every base barely kept the operations running by working to maximum duty hours to save costs of hiring new crew. IALPA were consulted, and within a month over 50% of the company joined IALPA, yet they cannot formerly step in, as they could not be recognised as a "hollow vessel" JRG was in place which protected Aer Arann management from IALPA. There's still a healthy contribution of money paid by the pilots for an “overseeing helpless eye”, with crew now expected to be seeking private legal action against Aer Arann (hope the new investors have accounted for this). The JRG needs to be disbanded and proper representation instated otherwise the managers will continue to walk over the pilot body.
The Unfortunately Aer Arann is not an airline it’s a select few of Head Office feathering their own nest, It’s the real workers which the public see which keep the ship above water, for how long though?
Since post examinership there has been no improvement or change for the better to Aer Arann’s operational ability, if anything it’s been worse. The cold weather spell is not to blame it just revealed the soft underbelly of a disastrous structure. Yet again the operational dictators can’t be held accountable for their mistakes while the crew will be very quickly disciplined for their errors. If only the paying pax really knew how many of their flights in the cold spell weren’t cancelled due to weather but rather inefficiencies from operations. To name some horrors, Such as three flights being cancelled due to a plane diverting to a nominated airfield (which has been used for years) and had no performance de-icing tables for departure. Or a plane arriving back from a diverted airport to collect its passengers, only to be told by the ground staff that there are no passengers as the flight was cancelled by operations-the same operations which dispatched that plane in the first place. Or flights cancelled as understaffed bases had no crew to operate the following day after the pushed their crew to maximum Flight And Duty hours on the previous day, and with rest restrictions were unable to crew the planes in sufficient time to get people home for Christmas. With a massed increased of discretion reports over the past month to the IAA proving this.
The flight crew are rightly upset and have been pushed in a corner with pay cuts. Their pay increments ceased two years ago. Followed by illegal pay cuts of seven to ten percent, which was imposed to “save the company” - Yet since post examinership with new investors, the crew continue to lose 7 - 10 % of their total salary while managers rumour to have bonuses. The increased Irish tax system taking its chunk too. Furthermore you have Second, Third, Fourth year Captains being paid the same as First year Captains. So there is a pay drop every year with the incremental pay scale having being ceased illegally. It’s probably better off being cabin crew, whose basic salary was not reduced, get paid more hourly FDP rate than pilots and get paid an inflight sales end of year bonus, earning themselves as good as a F/O salary’s. This is not taking a dig at the cabin crew as they have to deal normally with the usual irate messed around passengers, but pilots still need to be compensated accordingly. And there is no pension either for crews in Aer Arann; even the tiny Arann Island Express has a pension scheme for the pilots. So every year the pilots should have been rewarded more, as they were putting more money into the company yet they are just abused more.
Leading on from the pay crisis, it can’t be resolved because of the inefficiency of the JRG (Joint Regulation Group) which was formed as company Union representation. What a farce. This was a pilot body put together which was there to protect the pilots, yet they just get bullied in every meeting by the top office managerial players who consort with the group and manipulate the pilots working standards without letting them ever being able to contest. When the paycuts commenced, the JRG group were told that they would show their financial hand and present book figures, allowing the crew peace of mind that they really were paying in and helping the company to keep afloat. Well the Office managers never kept their side of the bargain, never revealed openly figures and continued to misuse company money in ridiculous day to day running cost situations, then came examinership, and let us not start on managerial bonuses written into their contracts yet. This all while a skeleton flight crew in every base barely kept the operations running by working to maximum duty hours to save costs of hiring new crew. IALPA were consulted, and within a month over 50% of the company joined IALPA, yet they cannot formerly step in, as they could not be recognised as a "hollow vessel" JRG was in place which protected Aer Arann management from IALPA. There's still a healthy contribution of money paid by the pilots for an “overseeing helpless eye”, with crew now expected to be seeking private legal action against Aer Arann (hope the new investors have accounted for this). The JRG needs to be disbanded and proper representation instated otherwise the managers will continue to walk over the pilot body.
The Unfortunately Aer Arann is not an airline it’s a select few of Head Office feathering their own nest, It’s the real workers which the public see which keep the ship above water, for how long though?
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Sir Sank raised an interesting point regarding the lack of a pension scheme. Knowing all too well that members of management view this forum I would like to point out to them that as a body of professionals (and let's not forget this) embark on a career in the hope that we some day may afford a dignified retirement without the remains of a mortgage or any other such legacys of a lifetime of debt looming over our heads. This should be a basic right and those of you in management would expect nothing less. As it stands the paltry pay would not cover a proper pension contribution and there in lies the major problem, for none of us ( even the day off working company men) have a career prospect, AA does not offer such a prospect or at the very least a stable future yet demands the crew to push the limits of legalities in the name of an Aer Arann that abuses their loyalty on a daily basis! As it stands I'm hoping to expire of a massive heart attack on my 65th birthday as I won't be looking forward to a comfortable retirement.
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Sir Sank,
You are assuming that the IAA are receiving the discretion reports......rumour has it that a large percentage of them that are received in ops go "missing". Rumour has it that delay codes are also changed to cover-up ops management screw-ups. This practice has been going on for years, and over different companies.....................all of which have shut down due to mis-management.
I feel sorry for Shutz, stuck between the Connemara Conman, and a bunch of Liars.
You are assuming that the IAA are receiving the discretion reports......rumour has it that a large percentage of them that are received in ops go "missing". Rumour has it that delay codes are also changed to cover-up ops management screw-ups. This practice has been going on for years, and over different companies.....................all of which have shut down due to mis-management.
I feel sorry for Shutz, stuck between the Connemara Conman, and a bunch of Liars.
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Seems that (mis)management are doing the rounds to all the bases this week. Lets hope that someone asks them about the bonus culture, but judging by past experience with them they will probably just lie...........
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Management styles
Seagull Manager
A term used to describe a management style of interacting with employees only when a problem arises, making hasty decisions about things they have little understanding of, then leaving others to deal with the mess they leave behind.
"Seagull managers fly in, make a lot of noise, dump on everyone, then fly out."
Sound familiar?
A term used to describe a management style of interacting with employees only when a problem arises, making hasty decisions about things they have little understanding of, then leaving others to deal with the mess they leave behind.
"Seagull managers fly in, make a lot of noise, dump on everyone, then fly out."
Sound familiar?
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Hi Everybody,
I was wondering if anyone can let me know what the pay for cabin crew working for aer arann is. I have applied them for a cabin crew position.
I would appriciate it if ye can help.
I was wondering if anyone can let me know what the pay for cabin crew working for aer arann is. I have applied them for a cabin crew position.
I would appriciate it if ye can help.
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Not the best of places to work at the best of times.....poor communication between management and front line staff.......management seem to be on different wave lenght at best of times they should try and see hows there airline really works instead of sitting in head office playing with there computers..........cant see them lasting even with aer lingus on board older 72 in poor condition and always tech 42 really showing there age inside and out, there newer 72 not been maintained with dirty carpets,broken seats and shabby looking interior.......
