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My bitter opinion; unless you're a FTE cadet with 200 hrs, don't bother going to the interview!
Is there any guys fresh out of training being invited for interview eben with these minimums stated?
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towser i'm sure you are right- (you probably interviewed me) and that some guys with 2000 hrs may have got in. However, if you're telling me it is not a coincidence that out of what must have been hundreds maybe few thousand applications, which didn't even include the FTE guys (as the FTE guys didn't apply they were recommended by FTE- oh and the FTE guys didn't even need to do a sim as part of their interview, if they passed day one, they were in!) that if 8 jobs were going, and 4 or 5 guys from FTE managed to get through, I simply don't believe there wasn't a hidden agenda.
The fact they were able to provide BACF interviewers (who had pretty much the same experience as myself) with better examples of CRM and other various experiences, purely based on their single pilot CPL/IR training, then someone in my position with 2000 + hrs multi pilot 737 experience proves to me that they had an agenda to hire a certain amount of cadets. I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all, in fact it's admirable, just don't tell me it isn't true. I wouldn't believe you anyway.
For me it was a total waste of time to have turned up. I know for a fact 4 guys from FTE last round got in, and I believe there were 8 jobs going - 2 of which were for Captains.
In all honesty I went for the interview practice, with the money they offer, I couldn't afford to live near london city even if I was currently debt free. Even though they offered me feedback, I pretty much disregarded it, having heard who they hired.
Sure it's a nice enough company mind, people seemed friendly, but then I guess they always do.
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The fact they were able to provide BACF interviewers (who had pretty much the same experience as myself) with better examples of CRM and other various experiences, purely based on their single pilot CPL/IR training, then someone in my position with 2000 + hrs multi pilot 737 experience proves to me that they had an agenda to hire a certain amount of cadets. I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all, in fact it's admirable, just don't tell me it isn't true. I wouldn't believe you anyway.
For me it was a total waste of time to have turned up. I know for a fact 4 guys from FTE last round got in, and I believe there were 8 jobs going - 2 of which were for Captains.
In all honesty I went for the interview practice, with the money they offer, I couldn't afford to live near london city even if I was currently debt free. Even though they offered me feedback, I pretty much disregarded it, having heard who they hired.
Sure it's a nice enough company mind, people seemed friendly, but then I guess they always do.
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To complain about 200 hour cadets getting employed ahead of you is a bit rich.
You work for Ryanair don't you? Don' t they take 200 hour cadets ahead of EVERYONE ELSE?? And charge £50 for the privilege of applying?
How many hours did you have when Ryanair took you on?
I'd accept BACF feedback if I were you. It may have some interesting points on your invincible superiority complex.
You work for Ryanair don't you? Don' t they take 200 hour cadets ahead of EVERYONE ELSE?? And charge £50 for the privilege of applying?
How many hours did you have when Ryanair took you on?
I'd accept BACF feedback if I were you. It may have some interesting points on your invincible superiority complex.
Please re read my post you clearly read what you wanted to hear!
I said, 'I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all, in fact it's admirable, just don't tell me it isn't true.'
This isn't about RYR but yes I work for them, that's not hard to tell by the fact I happily admit to it in previous posts. Do RYR hide the fact they're only looking for cadets on their website? Doesn't it make it obvious enough with, 'Cadets – (No airline experience) - Please note we are not accepting applications for Non 737 Rated Captains or experienced First Officers at this time.'
Like I said, it is my bitter opinion, but what use is feedback, when you find out they weren't really interested anyway? This is my opinion having been there, and how I felt afterwards. Had you been there you may have felt the same. If you work there you'll know what I'm saying is the truth, and I'm not in fact suffering from a invincible superiority complex, and if neither applies to you, perhaps you have no need to comment.
Oh and to be working for or previously working at Virgin, and complaining about cadets getting in at RYR, isn't that also a bit rich?
I said, 'I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all, in fact it's admirable, just don't tell me it isn't true.'
This isn't about RYR but yes I work for them, that's not hard to tell by the fact I happily admit to it in previous posts. Do RYR hide the fact they're only looking for cadets on their website? Doesn't it make it obvious enough with, 'Cadets – (No airline experience) - Please note we are not accepting applications for Non 737 Rated Captains or experienced First Officers at this time.'
Like I said, it is my bitter opinion, but what use is feedback, when you find out they weren't really interested anyway? This is my opinion having been there, and how I felt afterwards. Had you been there you may have felt the same. If you work there you'll know what I'm saying is the truth, and I'm not in fact suffering from a invincible superiority complex, and if neither applies to you, perhaps you have no need to comment.
Oh and to be working for or previously working at Virgin, and complaining about cadets getting in at RYR, isn't that also a bit rich?
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What has working at Virgin got to do with cadets? And why is it rich?
Virgin is an airline that only hires experienced pilots. They don't claim anything else.
Your logic is scrambled.
Virgin is an airline that only hires experienced pilots. They don't claim anything else.
Your logic is scrambled.
You reply to the one line in my thread that has the least relevance to the argument, and blanket my whole reply as being scrambled logic. Sorry you lose!
Virgin and RYR employ experienced pilots and cadets respectively, they don't hide it. The point I'm making, is it is my opinion the BACF prefer cadets, but don't say it. On my day the only cadets there were from FTE, I didn't see one modular guy or anyone from a different integrated school. The FTE guys didn't even apply, they were recommend by FTE. This is a forum, I went to the interview, read between the lines and gave what I admit to be a bitter opinion. Sorry, I can't make that any clearer.
Virgin and RYR employ experienced pilots and cadets respectively, they don't hide it. The point I'm making, is it is my opinion the BACF prefer cadets, but don't say it. On my day the only cadets there were from FTE, I didn't see one modular guy or anyone from a different integrated school. The FTE guys didn't even apply, they were recommend by FTE. This is a forum, I went to the interview, read between the lines and gave what I admit to be a bitter opinion. Sorry, I can't make that any clearer.
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How many hours did you have when RYR took you on? Seemed a good deal at the time didn't it?
Now, you realise the industry you've joined doesn't give a toss about progression, just the bottom line.
And now you're trapped in the hell that is RYR. To paraphrase you: you lose!
Now, you realise the industry you've joined doesn't give a toss about progression, just the bottom line.
And now you're trapped in the hell that is RYR. To paraphrase you: you lose!
Since when is joining BACF from RYR progression. I didn't see it that way, which is why I said I went for the interview experience.
I shan't reply again, there's only so many times I can have a discussion with someone who continues to miss the point.
I shan't reply again, there's only so many times I can have a discussion with someone who continues to miss the point.
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If you weren't bothered about it, why complain about the injustice levelled against you!!
I don't understand you, or the points you make. I'll be honest, I really don't. You are rambling like a drunk.
If it was for the interview experience, then fine. But don't complain about it afterwards, just take the feedback and move on.
Your posts (which are frequent) smack of a spoilt child.
I don't understand you, or the points you make. I'll be honest, I really don't. You are rambling like a drunk.
If it was for the interview experience, then fine. But don't complain about it afterwards, just take the feedback and move on.
Your posts (which are frequent) smack of a spoilt child.
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VJW. I do work for BACF and can state that what you say is not true. If we werent interested in experienced crew why would we waste our time and money interviewing you? I'm sorry you left the interview feeling that way but I think your in the minority in that respect. And no I didn't interview you but I might have done some of you training if you had been successful .
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From my perspective there were equal numbers of experienced FOs and Cadets throughout the interview process and then selected for the job.
FOs hours ranged from 1000 hours multi crew to 2600, the range of experience for captains was massive also.
I don't think at any time the fact that cadets were being recruited was hidden, as the recruitment was for fleet expansion then it makes perfect sense to recruit a wide range of experience. Why recruit only experienced FOs who might only feel way down the seniority list, years from command at the point they feel ready for it.
Having people who won't leave for 4 years and are keen to build hours and loyalty to an airline, compared to someone looking for a fast track or just jet time on the way to their next job is forward thinking.
FOs hours ranged from 1000 hours multi crew to 2600, the range of experience for captains was massive also.
I don't think at any time the fact that cadets were being recruited was hidden, as the recruitment was for fleet expansion then it makes perfect sense to recruit a wide range of experience. Why recruit only experienced FOs who might only feel way down the seniority list, years from command at the point they feel ready for it.
Having people who won't leave for 4 years and are keen to build hours and loyalty to an airline, compared to someone looking for a fast track or just jet time on the way to their next job is forward thinking.
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I don't work for BACF, but I know a lot who do and I agree completely with Tower's post above.
Not sure why I am wasting time on here, perhaps 2 days of block standby has some bearing on it.
I don't work for BACF, but I know a lot who do and I agree completely with Tower's post above.
Not sure why I am wasting time on here, perhaps 2 days of block standby has some bearing on it.
Ok last time.
I'm more then happy a decent airline recruits cadets properly, BACF is a fantastic opportunity for them. Employing cadets didn't surprise me, what surprised me is that the only cadets there were from FTE who were recommended by the school. I didn't see any modular guys there or integrated guys from other schools. I just found it strange that of the 6 FO jobs going at least 4 were filled with guys from FTE. Am I really that unclear??
I'm not complaining on the injustice to me, I just giving my opinion on what I learnt after the day. Take it or leave it, don't need to insult me for it.
I'm more then happy a decent airline recruits cadets properly, BACF is a fantastic opportunity for them. Employing cadets didn't surprise me, what surprised me is that the only cadets there were from FTE who were recommended by the school. I didn't see any modular guys there or integrated guys from other schools. I just found it strange that of the 6 FO jobs going at least 4 were filled with guys from FTE. Am I really that unclear??
I'm not complaining on the injustice to me, I just giving my opinion on what I learnt after the day. Take it or leave it, don't need to insult me for it.
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It wasn't me, (sadly) but I am fairly confident that there was at least one candidate from another fairly high profile integrated course. I don't know if he got the job though.
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In answer to a question/comment ealier ...... Yes there is a "Hidden Agenda" with the towers at BACF.
Most of those that were hired were low time cadets and a few were experienced FO's.
Days on/off vary from week to week. Mostly 5-6 on followed by typically 2 off. From July any days on over 5 will attract 3 days off. You can and do get 5 on/1 off/5 on 2 off. Happens almost every month.
RJ.
Most of those that were hired were low time cadets and a few were experienced FO's.
Days on/off vary from week to week. Mostly 5-6 on followed by typically 2 off. From July any days on over 5 will attract 3 days off. You can and do get 5 on/1 off/5 on 2 off. Happens almost every month.
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I echo Burger81's question...The application clearly states current MPA on licence and 1000 hours minimum. So at the moment I assume they are NOT looking at 250hr cadets...or am I wrong? Are cadets being taken in the back door (pun intended) 
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Have faith, There will shortly be a need for more FO's. I have flown with 4 in the past two weeks who have job offers. One more has recently handed in his notice. Several Capt are also testing the waters.
As for what the company are looking for... I don't think they even know. This company is now run on the trusted motto of "If the Face Fits"
RJ.
As for what the company are looking for... I don't think they even know. This company is now run on the trusted motto of "If the Face Fits"
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The airline is as much a Knob operation now as it was when it was run from Manchester years ago...............it will be shafted by BA again as it was in the past...........people do not learn from history.shame.
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As a subsidiary of BA, how easy/difficult is it to move from BA CityFlyer to BA mainline?
Are you treated like a complete outsider or is it seen as internal movement?
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Are you treated like a complete outsider or is it seen as internal movement?
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