What is going on with Olympic Air ????
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This is turning into the Madhatter's Tea Party. Just remember OXOGECAS340 - just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you. And while you are contemplating that, I have two other mysteries you could maybe help me with. Who really did kill JFK, and was it George Bush after all who made those planes fly into the World Trade Center? I have been looking for so long to find someone who would know the truth, and at last I have found someone who does. I think If I did not have the pink rabbit to speak to I would go completely nuts....
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Most of the others are from Aegean....
Well don't let me to remind you, that first your country has to return to us the stollen marbles of Parthenon
£50m loss last year - irrespective of a brand new company, restructuring costs etc etc... Olympic is not in great shape. The sooner they address the haemorrhage of cash (start from the bottom guys.... 4-8 cleaners per aircraft PER turnaround, full drinks/food service.... the list goes on!!)
I consider how much cash could be saved doing Mikonos and back. 17-20 minute flight... full food service, followed by a cleaning of the aircraft afterwards in MKN. MADNESS at its very best! WHY WHY WHY?
Irrespective of what the customer demands - they will have to learn they can't have their cake and eat it - literally! Ticket prices aint cheap, granted - but if Olympic reduce those fares a wee bit - abolish the food service (or charge for it) and scrap them cleaners here, there and everywhere (sorry cleaners), they might find they could potentially begin the recover themselves somewhat.
And before anyone from Greece tells me that the Greeks are very proud people and demand a particular level of service etc etc etc, there were times when the British public expected free food and free drink - then along came Ryanair and EasyJet and everyone had to pay for the privilege of a sandwich - but the fares were lower and the business model worked (for everybody - even if you do hate Ryanair - different thread here ;-)). You get on board an Easyjet/Ryanair/Flybe flight these days and ask for your "free" tea or coffee and you get looked at in a very peculiar way. Times have changed - air travel has moved on - Olympic need to do the same!!
Olympic has all the hallmarks of becoming a fabulous, money-making operator in Greece. It just needs to cut some serious fat, realise that the "glamour" days of aviation are over and it needs to focus on providing PURELY the runway-air-runway service. Everything else, for the consumer, is an extra.
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BOEING 7117, what makes you think, that I am flying for olympic air?
NO I AM NOT flying for them, and I would not do it in the future, because I believe that this company, IS NOT OLYMPIC....
I was flying for OLYMPIC 28 years, and I don't care, if they are merged with A3, or if they are loosing money...I am a "victim" of the closure of OA, and I am flying somewhere in Asia, 737 at the moment, trying to find something better.
NO I AM NOT flying for them, and I would not do it in the future, because I believe that this company, IS NOT OLYMPIC....
I was flying for OLYMPIC 28 years, and I don't care, if they are merged with A3, or if they are loosing money...I am a "victim" of the closure of OA, and I am flying somewhere in Asia, 737 at the moment, trying to find something better.
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OLYMPIC could easily earn a lot of money, only from JFK and CYYZ routes, but "the system" wanted this money to run in other pockets, and therefore the 4 A340 are parked in LGAV, 14 months now......waiting someone to buy them....
Of course, these routes are now operated from the ex-competitors.....
This is what we say, "corruption" ....
Closure of OA, and party on the competitor Aegean airlines...
Of course, these routes are now operated from the ex-competitors.....
This is what we say, "corruption" ....
Closure of OA, and party on the competitor Aegean airlines...
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Since we're on a rumour network, rumour has it those 4 A340's won't be going anywhere. When old Olympic ceased-to-be, the engineers and staff that were set to lose their jobs decided to destroy the aircraft tech logs.
So you've got 4 A340's sat in LGAV gathering dust without a maintenance record, making them worthless.
Any truth in that?
So you've got 4 A340's sat in LGAV gathering dust without a maintenance record, making them worthless.
Any truth in that?
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Who in gods name give any of you the right to critisize any nationality of pilots??????? If they are Greek or English or from Mongolia doesnt make a difference does it??? This thread began by some ignorant pilot battering greek pilots in generalisation!! As i said in a previous post: if you dont like how things are done in Greece, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!
And stop the STUPID posts about the BA 777 crash landing due to fuel starvation!
And stop the STUPID posts about the BA 777 crash landing due to fuel starvation!
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Bloody hell...
I've been reading this thread and have been wondering "are you for real?"
Olympic are losing money head over heels.
Money could be saved by:
1/ Not having a full service, most of which gets wasted at the end of the flights and replace with a "pay" service
2/ Not being catered every 2nd flight
3/ Not having a full team of cleaners coming on and emptying the entire cabin and changing everything
4/ Not having a toilet dump vehicle coming out every time you return to ATH - I can't believe that Greek passengers visit the can more than anyone else!
5/ Stopping the A319/A320s flying flights with 20-30 passengers on.
6/ Utilising the A319/A320s a bit more - they were always doing nothing when I saw them!
I can think of more ideas of wasted money.
The A340s will not be going anywhere as the documentation was apparently burnt after the collapse of the old Olympic.
What doesn't matter is nationalities vs gashness vs which country does right vs attitudes vs goodness only knows what else.
The pure and simple fact is that at the moment, in its current guise, Olympic is unsustainable.
I've been reading this thread and have been wondering "are you for real?"
Olympic are losing money head over heels.
Money could be saved by:
1/ Not having a full service, most of which gets wasted at the end of the flights and replace with a "pay" service
2/ Not being catered every 2nd flight
3/ Not having a full team of cleaners coming on and emptying the entire cabin and changing everything
4/ Not having a toilet dump vehicle coming out every time you return to ATH - I can't believe that Greek passengers visit the can more than anyone else!
5/ Stopping the A319/A320s flying flights with 20-30 passengers on.
6/ Utilising the A319/A320s a bit more - they were always doing nothing when I saw them!
I can think of more ideas of wasted money.
The A340s will not be going anywhere as the documentation was apparently burnt after the collapse of the old Olympic.
What doesn't matter is nationalities vs gashness vs which country does right vs attitudes vs goodness only knows what else.
The pure and simple fact is that at the moment, in its current guise, Olympic is unsustainable.
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OK - there are sufficient mad people on here who want to believe the BA B777 conspiracy theories. Despite the best efforts of the more rational in our midst, you want to discuss this 'valid' issue. Fine - rather than wasting your valuable time researching the vast weight of evidence that supports the pump icing explanation, and you are indeed on a rumour network, why not start a separate thread on this 'important' issue? There are no doubt numerous other fellow travellers out there who are willing to take time out the mothership to join you in your quest for the truth. Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, we shall return to the issue of Olympic - how is that for a compromise solution?
OXOGEKAS - as one greatly attracted to conspiracy theories yourself, I am surprised you are so easily offended at a perfectly reasonable conspiracy theory regarding the ex-OA A340s. Perhaps you may be able to put us all out our misery and tell us categorically that the rumours about the destroyed paperwork are not true, and that there is no reason whatsoever that these aircraft are not in service. If, however, they are not able to be used, perhaps you could grace us with an explanation. And by the way, it seems to me that assymetricdrift has a remarkable grasp of the situation.
OXOGEKAS - as one greatly attracted to conspiracy theories yourself, I am surprised you are so easily offended at a perfectly reasonable conspiracy theory regarding the ex-OA A340s. Perhaps you may be able to put us all out our misery and tell us categorically that the rumours about the destroyed paperwork are not true, and that there is no reason whatsoever that these aircraft are not in service. If, however, they are not able to be used, perhaps you could grace us with an explanation. And by the way, it seems to me that assymetricdrift has a remarkable grasp of the situation.
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Denti, 5Rings and the rest,
Why are you attacking Oxogekas? His arguments are equally ridiculous with yours. Since he made his first aviation steps in the UK it is obvious that he got the "british" temperament.
I don't care about BA nor your 777. It is irrelevant, as are the majority of your posts that started for irrelevant reason offending and insulting Greece, like you were waiting just for the chance to do that.
5Rings, although being ironic towards SVoa you obviously (despite your cleverness) did not understand what he meant.
Denti, instead of offending Greece and the "greek way of running things", could you explane to me why exposed british asses have been seen repeatedly in front of ancient greek monuments? Watch your mouth when you are referring to Greece pal...
Why are you attacking Oxogekas? His arguments are equally ridiculous with yours. Since he made his first aviation steps in the UK it is obvious that he got the "british" temperament.
I don't care about BA nor your 777. It is irrelevant, as are the majority of your posts that started for irrelevant reason offending and insulting Greece, like you were waiting just for the chance to do that.
5Rings, although being ironic towards SVoa you obviously (despite your cleverness) did not understand what he meant.
Denti, instead of offending Greece and the "greek way of running things", could you explane to me why exposed british asses have been seen repeatedly in front of ancient greek monuments? Watch your mouth when you are referring to Greece pal...
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Wouldn't comment on the brits, i'm not one of them and never claimed i were. Just a tad angered that every tax payer in my country has gone 800 million € into debt to keep that corrupt place afloat. Caused mainly by the greek way of running things, including the old Olympic and probably the new one too.
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The "theory" of burned tech, logs, of the A340's, is just an imagination of some (mentally) ill brains...
No pals, there is no such a scenario....Books and logs are all in the liquidators archives.
Planes are still on taxiway in LGAV, and will remain there, until someone is gonna pay the money, Greek government is asking for...(for u that know everything...those planes belong to the Greek Ministry of Economy, and NOT to the closed (liquidated) Olympic Airlines. Same happens with the 737's and ATR's, which belong to Olympic Airlines.
Well english friends...yes u pay for our depts, as we also pay for yours..Except if u think that your country has no dept..... (I can assure u that your dept, is far far more than ours...). Wait, your time will come sooner than you think.
Until then, do something good...Return to us, the stollen marbles of Parthenon....
Then u can return also the items belonging to Egypt...
777, "theory"...Haha!
You can tell thousands of stories....and you can bring millions of reports.
You will not change the minds of most of us, that this plane, fell of the sky, due to fuel starvation...I don't give a s@@t if you believe this or not.
I BELIEVE this, and no one will change my mind.
Regarding to Olympic Air, this belongs to the group MARFIN, and has nothing to do with Olympic..Even the "circles" have new colors.
It's not going well, because their strategy was wrong. And still is...Therefore I believe, that this company will close soon, or at the best, will operate some turboprops within "agonic lines" within Greece.
No pals, there is no such a scenario....Books and logs are all in the liquidators archives.
Planes are still on taxiway in LGAV, and will remain there, until someone is gonna pay the money, Greek government is asking for...(for u that know everything...those planes belong to the Greek Ministry of Economy, and NOT to the closed (liquidated) Olympic Airlines. Same happens with the 737's and ATR's, which belong to Olympic Airlines.
Well english friends...yes u pay for our depts, as we also pay for yours..Except if u think that your country has no dept..... (I can assure u that your dept, is far far more than ours...). Wait, your time will come sooner than you think.
Until then, do something good...Return to us, the stollen marbles of Parthenon....
Then u can return also the items belonging to Egypt...
777, "theory"...Haha!
You can tell thousands of stories....and you can bring millions of reports.
You will not change the minds of most of us, that this plane, fell of the sky, due to fuel starvation...I don't give a s@@t if you believe this or not.
I BELIEVE this, and no one will change my mind.
Regarding to Olympic Air, this belongs to the group MARFIN, and has nothing to do with Olympic..Even the "circles" have new colors.
It's not going well, because their strategy was wrong. And still is...Therefore I believe, that this company will close soon, or at the best, will operate some turboprops within "agonic lines" within Greece.
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Denti,
Keep us afloat? Pay our debts?
If you are a pilot you probably earn twice as much as we here in Greece with far better benefits. And that in a country where prices are among the highest in Europe. This is the fact for the majority of the jobs in Greece. It seems to me that somehow we are paying your debt. And if you are so strongly insulting a whole country then it would be nice to tell us where you come from.
Keep us afloat? Pay our debts?
If you are a pilot you probably earn twice as much as we here in Greece with far better benefits. And that in a country where prices are among the highest in Europe. This is the fact for the majority of the jobs in Greece. It seems to me that somehow we are paying your debt. And if you are so strongly insulting a whole country then it would be nice to tell us where you come from.
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B7117, WHAT ARE U DRINKING AND U DON'T TELL US?
Re U so idiot, to write so stupid messages?
Re U so idiot, to write so stupid messages?
If you are a pilot you probably earn twice as much as we here in Greece with far better benefits
Regarding the A340's - if I were selling my car, I'd probably make the effort to give it a wash inside and out, maybe stick a for-sale sign on it, perhaps advertise the vehicle in the appropriate places..... Having taxied past those A340's at least a dozen times last week - they don't look like they're for sale. The don't look like the owner is waiting for someone to pay the money for them - they look like they've been resigned to ruin. Of course I'm probably wrong.
Mistrust in Management
Oxogekas340
777, "theory"...Haha!
You can tell thousands of stories....and you can bring millions of reports.
You will not change the minds of most of us, that this plane, fell of the sky, due to fuel starvation...I don't give a s@@t if you believe this or not.
I BELIEVE this, and no one will change my mind.
You can tell thousands of stories....and you can bring millions of reports.
You will not change the minds of most of us, that this plane, fell of the sky, due to fuel starvation...I don't give a s@@t if you believe this or not.
I BELIEVE this, and no one will change my mind.
Regards
Exeng
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Let me tell u in a polite manner....
'' WHO CARES WHAT U THINK"!!!!
And just for info.....only uk pilots, and to be more precise, most of uk pilots believe in this crap about the 777..
Most of us, don't.
Gezundheit!
'' WHO CARES WHAT U THINK"!!!!
And just for info.....only uk pilots, and to be more precise, most of uk pilots believe in this crap about the 777..
Most of us, don't.
Gezundheit!
Mistrust in Management
And just for info.....only uk pilots, and to be more precise, most of uk pilots believe in this crap about the 777..
One more fellow for the ignore button.
Regards
Exeng
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I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous.
OXOGEKAS340 - do you have to be so confrontational with everything you say? So, you've accused us of being raging alcoholics, mentally ill, sloppy, gash, useless and British* (the last one is true!). But for goodness sake, if you are involved in this profession, surely your posts should reflect a little bit more maturity? You know, you can have an argument without insulting people? - it's called a debate.
Heaven forbid that someone with your attitude gets their way into the flightdeck - for every on like you, there are at least 500 wannabes with a much better and professional outlook on the career - and they've only got 200 odd hours in their logbooks. As for knowing more than than the AAIB, well, why don't you go and work for them then?
This thread has turned from being a "what is going on at Olympic?" into a great big slagging match between someone who believes that his country can do no wrong, and sensible people who have tried to bring it back onto topic.
I'm sorry - can you just keep it on the original topic please? Or just close it up?
OXOGEKAS340 - do you have to be so confrontational with everything you say? So, you've accused us of being raging alcoholics, mentally ill, sloppy, gash, useless and British* (the last one is true!). But for goodness sake, if you are involved in this profession, surely your posts should reflect a little bit more maturity? You know, you can have an argument without insulting people? - it's called a debate.
Heaven forbid that someone with your attitude gets their way into the flightdeck - for every on like you, there are at least 500 wannabes with a much better and professional outlook on the career - and they've only got 200 odd hours in their logbooks. As for knowing more than than the AAIB, well, why don't you go and work for them then?
This thread has turned from being a "what is going on at Olympic?" into a great big slagging match between someone who believes that his country can do no wrong, and sensible people who have tried to bring it back onto topic.
I'm sorry - can you just keep it on the original topic please? Or just close it up?