Flybe pay Talks
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According to the accounts:
"The aggregate emolutents of the highest paid director were £0.6m (2009: £0.5m) and company pension contributions of £0.1m (2009: £0.1m) were made to a personal pension scheme on his behalf.""
Looks like a £100k rise to me.
"The aggregate emolutents of the highest paid director were £0.6m (2009: £0.5m) and company pension contributions of £0.1m (2009: £0.1m) were made to a personal pension scheme on his behalf.""
Looks like a £100k rise to me.
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I don't think anyone begrudges the directors doing well for themselves, after all they have steered the company through dangerous times where others have floundered. You can't compare our skillset to theirs, and the talents needed to lead an airline successfully these days are way rarer than those operating an airliner, however a significant part of Flybe's success is not so much down to leadership genius as just old fashioned keeping their feet on our throats and making sure we're the among the lowest paid and worst t's&c's in the industry.
Effective paycuts and broken promises on remedying harsh lifestyle issues aren't tenable anymore.
Effective paycuts and broken promises on remedying harsh lifestyle issues aren't tenable anymore.
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2% would be an extra £500 a year for me - I might be able to put my credit card down a little bit, but it still means that I can't afford that house that I want. Worst of all, I struggle to afford anything more than 1 tank of petrol a month at the moment.
0.2% just isn't worth considering - I don't even want to think of how little that would be.
And... may I be the devils advocate here:
I would wager a significant amount of money (more than our payrise is going to be!) that the financial results are hiding the impact of the Olympic deal, which was apparently at one stage giving us £2.8 million a month...
0.2% just isn't worth considering - I don't even want to think of how little that would be.
And... may I be the devils advocate here:
I would wager a significant amount of money (more than our payrise is going to be!) that the financial results are hiding the impact of the Olympic deal, which was apparently at one stage giving us £2.8 million a month...
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six-sixty...well said.
Time and again we hear pilots slagging directors for their perceived ill-deserved wealth. The fact remains it is the directors that chose a career in taking big risks so to my mind they deserve the largest spoils of success. The laughably blinkered view still exists that "this airline wouldn't survive without its pilots", as if those in Operations, Accounts, PR, Engineering, Sales etc. have an insignificant influence on the business.
...and if I read one more thread describing "...the crew are all a great, fantastic, lovely, hard working bunch of people who are fabulous and great and wonderful to work with, but the management are a bunch of shysters who have no idea what it's like in the real world blah blah...." I think I might shoot myself.
If I wanted to be a rich man I would not have become a pilot. I would have stuck in at my Business Studies. For heaven's sake, us pilots are EMPLOYEES and just as expendable as the tea lady. Get over it or change your job; or better still, set up your own airline.....
Time and again we hear pilots slagging directors for their perceived ill-deserved wealth. The fact remains it is the directors that chose a career in taking big risks so to my mind they deserve the largest spoils of success. The laughably blinkered view still exists that "this airline wouldn't survive without its pilots", as if those in Operations, Accounts, PR, Engineering, Sales etc. have an insignificant influence on the business.
...and if I read one more thread describing "...the crew are all a great, fantastic, lovely, hard working bunch of people who are fabulous and great and wonderful to work with, but the management are a bunch of shysters who have no idea what it's like in the real world blah blah...." I think I might shoot myself.
If I wanted to be a rich man I would not have become a pilot. I would have stuck in at my Business Studies. For heaven's sake, us pilots are EMPLOYEES and just as expendable as the tea lady. Get over it or change your job; or better still, set up your own airline.....
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And if I was motivated solely by money, I wouldn't have changed careers – nobody is suggestion we should all get the same as the CEO.
What angers me – and a lot of other people – is the company's attitude to 'negotiation' (if that's the right word) over everything from pay and the scheduling agreement to smart pensions. Given the spectacular lack of progress on rostering, I find it very difficult to accept assurances that "we are negotiating in good faith." Earlies to lates was a problem well before I joined the company, and I'm sure it will continue to be an issue long after I've gone. Continents move quicker than the company when it comes to improving terms and conditions.
Couple that with the stream of missives from Exeter, patting us on the head for 'going the extra mile' during snow, ash clouds, plagues of frogs etc, and I'm feeling more than a little patronised. The airline relies on an awful lot of goodwill, and mine is being used up very quickly.
What angers me – and a lot of other people – is the company's attitude to 'negotiation' (if that's the right word) over everything from pay and the scheduling agreement to smart pensions. Given the spectacular lack of progress on rostering, I find it very difficult to accept assurances that "we are negotiating in good faith." Earlies to lates was a problem well before I joined the company, and I'm sure it will continue to be an issue long after I've gone. Continents move quicker than the company when it comes to improving terms and conditions.
Couple that with the stream of missives from Exeter, patting us on the head for 'going the extra mile' during snow, ash clouds, plagues of frogs etc, and I'm feeling more than a little patronised. The airline relies on an awful lot of goodwill, and mine is being used up very quickly.
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Are you lot still negotiating, or not, for 2010 pay rise?
Shouldn't that be all finalised by now? Shouldn't you be lookng at next years pay rise? Where's Balpa in all of this and what have they been doing?
Rostering issues - How long did it take Balpa to take action on the Virgin dispute?! Why can't they do it for Flybe? No teeth?!
Shouldn't that be all finalised by now? Shouldn't you be lookng at next years pay rise? Where's Balpa in all of this and what have they been doing?
Rostering issues - How long did it take Balpa to take action on the Virgin dispute?! Why can't they do it for Flybe? No teeth?!
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Gentlemen (and ladies), your only decision is which Monday morning none of you report for duty.
Until such time as that happens, you will achieve nothing against what is clearly an intransigent, exploitative (in the current climate) management.
And until you grasp the nettle and take on these people, who appear to have every interest in feathering their own nests (if the report of your CEO's grotesque pay-rise is true) while doing their level best to do nothing to improve your pay and working conditions, please refrain from bleating.
Until such time as that happens, you will achieve nothing against what is clearly an intransigent, exploitative (in the current climate) management.
And until you grasp the nettle and take on these people, who appear to have every interest in feathering their own nests (if the report of your CEO's grotesque pay-rise is true) while doing their level best to do nothing to improve your pay and working conditions, please refrain from bleating.
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It's amazing G SXTY your change of attitude from posting threads on becoming an airline pilot to moaning on the same forum about said career, all within two years.
Try a couple of redundancies for size if you really want something to complain about. Do you even have a full ATPL yet? You are not in a bad position for someone of low experience, and I expect you still have time to run on your bond. I suggest you knuckle down, quit moaning, work off your bond, and then leave should be still be unhappy with your current employer. Flybe gave you your break. You should be a little more grateful.
Try a couple of redundancies for size if you really want something to complain about. Do you even have a full ATPL yet? You are not in a bad position for someone of low experience, and I expect you still have time to run on your bond. I suggest you knuckle down, quit moaning, work off your bond, and then leave should be still be unhappy with your current employer. Flybe gave you your break. You should be a little more grateful.
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What the hell are you on about? And what is your point? I don't get it.
The directors are at the sticky end, but their salaries already reflect this. If we all had a 2% payrise, including them then they would have a substantial amount more than us "in their hand" because they are already getting paid alot. They got 28%, we only want a miserly share of the profits. 28%, by anyone's standards, is bloody absurd when the rest of the workforce has had nothing.
Also by your theory of "we shouldn't have become pilots if we wanted to become rich" works the other way too. If you can't handle the heat as a director, then don't enter the kitchen, and just for your information, the directors are just expendable assets as well, we all are.
One last thing, we do work with a great bunch of people at Flybe. On behalf of myself and them, please feel free to shoot yourself. Cheers.
This is a public forum, we can bleat all we want. BALPA (for what they are worth, and right now not alot) are in consultation with the management, we are standing by as a workforce to react as and when they (and we) see fit. We have as much right to bleat on here as anyone.
Have a nice day.
CC
What the hell are you on about? And what is your point? I don't get it.
The directors are at the sticky end, but their salaries already reflect this. If we all had a 2% payrise, including them then they would have a substantial amount more than us "in their hand" because they are already getting paid alot. They got 28%, we only want a miserly share of the profits. 28%, by anyone's standards, is bloody absurd when the rest of the workforce has had nothing.
Also by your theory of "we shouldn't have become pilots if we wanted to become rich" works the other way too. If you can't handle the heat as a director, then don't enter the kitchen, and just for your information, the directors are just expendable assets as well, we all are.
One last thing, we do work with a great bunch of people at Flybe. On behalf of myself and them, please feel free to shoot yourself. Cheers.
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please refrain from bleating
Have a nice day.
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CC, good speech.
Are your colleagues feeling the same as you? Do you think they'll all step up to the plate this time and not back down?
Balpa should be asking for 15% minimum for all of you. That'll be a good starting point. What have they asked for?
Are your colleagues feeling the same as you? Do you think they'll all step up to the plate this time and not back down?
Balpa should be asking for 15% minimum for all of you. That'll be a good starting point. What have they asked for?
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Lord Spandex
The vast majority of the workforce do feel undermined, that is certainly the feeling I am getting, and the feeling I am getting from my base is that the workforce is standing united this time. Only time will deliver the verdict on that one though.
If I remember rightly the figure BALPA asked for is 6.1% for TP guys, and 5.1% for the jet guys plus some other "improvements".
One of the biggest things for me is the "lates to earlies" issue. More money is nice but if they just sorted out the lates to earlies that would be a big improvement in lifestyle. Also if they viewed FTLs as a limit rather than a target that would be nice too but hey.
If BALPA fail to deliver this time then I am cancelling my ridiculously overpriced subscription for good, as will alot of others.
Hypo Thalamus
£12? I always thought it was £10
The vast majority of the workforce do feel undermined, that is certainly the feeling I am getting, and the feeling I am getting from my base is that the workforce is standing united this time. Only time will deliver the verdict on that one though.
If I remember rightly the figure BALPA asked for is 6.1% for TP guys, and 5.1% for the jet guys plus some other "improvements".
One of the biggest things for me is the "lates to earlies" issue. More money is nice but if they just sorted out the lates to earlies that would be a big improvement in lifestyle. Also if they viewed FTLs as a limit rather than a target that would be nice too but hey.
If BALPA fail to deliver this time then I am cancelling my ridiculously overpriced subscription for good, as will alot of others.
Hypo Thalamus
£12? I always thought it was £10
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Coffin Corner
Your 10 pound M&S voucher in 2000 will now cost you 12.80 quid.
You're now behind 28% on that little thank you from the company.. but who's counting eh.
Your 10 pound M&S voucher in 2000 will now cost you 12.80 quid.
You're now behind 28% on that little thank you from the company.. but who's counting eh.
