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Any recruitment likely at Easy?

Old 2nd Oct 2010, 07:34
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So, I must have been imagining the email today.

Upcoming DEC A320 Captain positions, UK & Europe.
I think it unlikely that eJ would be using an agency to supply DECs - I suspect that the agency is fishing.
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Old 2nd Oct 2010, 17:02
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CTC have provided FO's and Captains to CTC since the start.

They are not fishing and they are not an agency.
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Old 5th Oct 2010, 13:28
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Call from CTC today re 18 month contract for LHS on the 737 Luton base. They were very guarded with any more info. Whats a 'flexible contract'? And I thought EJ were getting rid of the NG?
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Old 5th Oct 2010, 20:13
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They're leaving slowly.
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Old 6th Oct 2010, 09:03
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Flexible contract is almost certainly a payment per rostered block hour (no basic wage or benefits except staff travel) and no fixed roster pattern. Not quite as bad as it sounds as can make good money if you are flexible and don't mind putting the hours in each month and accepting the lack of life planning ability from month to month. It's comes down to a choice based on personal circumstances. Some hate it, some get on with it and find it's not perfect but it's not too bad after all.

Hope this helps.
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Old 6th Oct 2010, 09:15
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Given Easyjet have announced this morning that they are doing better than they expected maybe they can be a little more 'flexible' in what they are offering. Expect another round of bonuses.

When will we ever learn.
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Old 6th Oct 2010, 23:12
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Snoop Closed shop?

The following comments have been obtained from easyJet's weekly news update;

Pilot recruitment selection days – November 2010

As we have communicated before the only pilot entry point to a permanent easyJet pilot contract will be from the FlexiCrew pilot pool for the foreseeable future. All external recruitment has ceased (and did so 18 months ago) and the previously populated recruitment holding pools have been closed. In order to support our continued and planned expansion into Europe a further number of permanent easyJet contracts will soon become available primarily in France and Italy. All permanent contracts will be offered from 01 January 2010. To ensure that we get the best pilots for these roles we will be holding an open and transparent selection process for these opportunities. Suitably qualified FlexiCrew pilots currently flying for easyJet from both CTC Parc Aviation will soon be invited to apply for these permanent positions. We will be holding pilot selection/ recruitment days on a number of days in November 2010 to ensure that we employ the best pilots for these positions.
More information about the criteria required to apply for these positions in addition to the application process will follow in the coming weeks……watch this space!
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 00:33
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Currently, there are approximately 150 CTC graduates who are ready for Type ratings and being with CTC myself in the final 4 months, I've heard a lot of positive things - for us of course...

Looks like the TRs will be done so eJ will have around 50-100 TR'ed cadets by Feb/Mar 2011, depending on how many more they continue to offer jobs to!

Also, answering your question on 'how do they find the money?' - these cadets have either had a BBVA loan tied down on their parent's mortgage, had their parents remortgage their property or have had the money through life insurance payout etc. Please don't assume they are all rich kids - most of them come from quite modest families that have really put themselves out for their sons or daughters to pursue a career they've always dreamed of...

Cost of training is now in the £75,000 (+£living) mark with another £8-10k for the easyJet TR.

Oh yes... one more thing - I'm so glad the experienced pilot community is so welcoming to the new recruits - I get a somewhat hostile attitude from some of the posts here - It's not our fault we chose a viable training provider who seems to be offering the best chance of getting us into the RHS in the shortest time - Can you hardly blame us? If you have a better idea, please do share!!

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Old 7th Oct 2010, 07:52
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Thanks for the post and confirms what has been put throughout the thread that Easy plan to take many cadets which as you state is good news for you.

I can understand your comment too about "glad the experienced pilot community is so welcoming to the new recruits"......

however I think you'll find for the most part that this is pent up frustration at the state of things not at you guys personally. I for one do not believe the state of this industry can be blamed on people joining it!!!

Remember though the experienced pilot community have worked hard like you and sacrificed just as much but now cannot get a job with the likes of Easy (and others) because we have experience.

You too could be in the same position in 2-3yrs time and I am sure you'd find it as frustrating as we do that someone with no experience has better prospects than you do with your 2,000hrs on type....You'll realise by then that CTC is actually destroying the very industry it is in business to feed...Not in any way blaming you just giving you another angle on things and why some of the posts are worded the way they are!!

It should be the pilot community as a whole and in the individual companies that should unite as a group and stand together to make sure current and future joiners are not exploited in order to enter this industry. For some reason we as pilots are not very good at that bit....:
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 11:11
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Suitably qualified FlexiCrew pilots currently flying for easyJet from both CTC Parc Aviation will soon be invited to apply for these permanent positions.
WTF, does this mean that they are "suitably qualified" as FlexiCrew but potentially not for full time employment....? Getting better and better....
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 13:50
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I see Norman Stanley Fletcher is vehemently opposed to Direct Entry Captains, which is a bit strange as he was/is one.

Obviously one rule for NSF and one rule for everyone else.
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 14:10
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NSF (I imagine...) is against Direct Entry Captains because there is a growing army of fully qualified SFOs at EZY who are ready for a command. The only reason for the company to accept DECs now would be because they are being offered a B scale contract.

NSF would have been accepted as a DEC when EZY were expanding faster than their SFOs could pass the command course.

"One rule for him etc etc" is a bit too simplistic I'm afraid.
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 14:27
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So absolutely no one was disadvantaged by NSF as a Direct Entry Captain?

No one waited longer in the right hand seat because NSF got a command first? DECs will disadvantage F/Os no matter what. The individuals concerned will feel aggrieved for a long time.

Commercial expediency was okay then (i.e. to facilitate expansion) but not now to cut costs?

Either you are a man of principal or you are not, simplistic really.

I can assure you that when he got his first command in easyJet a lot of SFO's felt very disadvantaged.

It is this lack of moral courage that is destroying the industry. Either you stick to your principles, i.e. Direct Entry Captains are unacceptable fullstop, because they disadvantage long(er) serving F/O's or you accept the harsh commercial realities.
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 14:43
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The harsh commercial reality that the company has turned a reasonable profit during a huge recession, and is expected to now exceed its predicted profit for this year despite snow disruption, ash clouds etc? The company wants DECs to save money when they themselves are making lots of it and distributing it with handsome bonuses to management.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect DECs during the early years of a business as it expands aggressively and they either can't find the talent internally or are physically incapable of training the number of SFOs because the training department can't expand fast enough either. It's not ideal but it's understandable. The DECs are then employed on a full time contract that is the same as the SFO can expect in the future.

Trying to undercut loyal SFOs who are ready for command by offering contracts to external candidates at a lower rate is not acceptable. Neither is trying to cut costs on your training department then feigning surprise when they are no longer able to promote SFOs due to a lack of capacity.
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 17:35
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So absolutely no one was disadvantaged by NSF as a Direct Entry Captain?
No idea, but it is entirely possible EZY were just short of captains back then. Eh? What? Oh dear.
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Old 7th Oct 2010, 17:44
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CTC sweeps the nation for more Flexi-Crew

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Students starting university courses in the UK can expect to owe about £23,000 by the time they graduate.

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All this for £1000 per month after repayments..............You'll be dead first before repaying all this.

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Old 8th Oct 2010, 00:09
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Major Cleve Saville - you are indeed right in saying that I was once a DEC, and also that I am opposed to their further employment. The two positions are entirely compatible. Many people know who I am, and where I came from, so there are no secrets out there. I joined from another company in 2004 and applied online to come to easyJet as a First Officer. My background was that I had previously been a turboprop Training Captain, but was at that time an A320 F/O in a different airline. When I turned up for the interview at easyLand, they told me they were taking a number of Airbus-experienced FOs as DECs and asked if I would like to be one. Like every other person with a brain in their head who was offered the same deal, I discussed the matter with myself for around a tenth of a second and said 'Yes'. I am not aware of a single qualified FO at easyJet at that time who was disadvantaged by what happened, and took the job that was offered to me with much gratitude. The reality was that easyJet required Airbus Captains at a rate they could not generate internally - under such circumstances the employment of DECs seems an acceptable, and indeed necessary, decision for any company. Under the circumstances that exist today where we have hundreds of suitably qualified FOs, then the employment of DECs would be outrageous. I therefore fail to see what your complaint is - my position is completely consistent.

For those that are interested in such matters, there will be over 160 internal promotions at easyJet in the next year. In addition, we will employ 300 new cadet pilots and will internally promote over 20 new Training Captains. As I have said many times before, we are not perfect. Nonetheless, figures like that should lead to some rejoicing by even those with the emptiest of glasses.

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Old 8th Oct 2010, 01:08
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Rejoice for what though NSF? (yay, EasyJet are taking on 300 wannabes, yay) Those figures are doing nothing, absolutely nothing for this industry whatsoever. If it was a free for all then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Those figures are doing nothing to get the job market going again - period.

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Old 8th Oct 2010, 01:26
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Rejoice for what though NSF? (yay, EasyJet are taking on 300 wannabes, yay) Those figures are doing nothing, absolutely nothing for this industry whatsoever. If it was a free for all then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Those figures are doing nothing to get the job market going again - period.
You'll have to explain this one to me, easyjet promote 160+ internal SFO's, employ a further 300 new cadet pilots and promote 20 training captains - but this does nothing to 'get the job market going again'!

You must have some logic behind your statement - can you share it?
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 07:52
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Cadets only = market remains bogged down & static.
Ditto internal promotions only and no DECs.
Closed gene pool = ever increasing proportion of mongs.

Hmm!

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