Emirates Pilot Recruitment Roadshows In Uk.
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Originally Posted by Alt Crz Green
What kind of "profession" is this that would live in a mall in a desert rather than fight to make home the place to be?
Of course - you could fight for home to be the 'place to be' but hopefully you speak Urdu, Hindi or Pashtu
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Emirates doesn't want any 35 hour work-week, strike-minded lightweights cluttering up their sandbox.
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Dont Bank on a command in Emirates with 6000hrs try 6 or 7 years as a FO first then get your command in your shiny big jet.
Emirates has opened the doors to EZY / FR cadets with 2500 hours total - all of that 2500 being on jets over 55t.
Therefore five years at EK doing 800 hours a year or so will giev you a command at 6500ish hours.
My point is that guys in their situation CAN get a command at 6000ish hours providing they join at the right time and market conditions remain favourable. It's also true that you could join a low cost airline (some would argue EK is just that hehe
) that has an upgrade policy of 2000 hours and still wait 5-7 years in the right seat.Every career move in this industry is a gamble.
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Quick command = fool's Gold?
Well, if there's one thing you should have learned by now is that a command, no matter how 'quick' you get it, is no guarantee that you are actually working for a career airline...
Perhaps even to the contrary, as all this talk about commands takes your eyes of the issues that really matter in the long run: is it a decent company and are you going to like it there?
Most low-costs offer a 'quick' command (just on a slightly smaller shinny jet...), but look at the price you pay for it in terms of lousy T&C's: it's the very reason you now suddenly want to leave! Catch 22...
Perhaps even to the contrary, as all this talk about commands takes your eyes of the issues that really matter in the long run: is it a decent company and are you going to like it there?
Most low-costs offer a 'quick' command (just on a slightly smaller shinny jet...), but look at the price you pay for it in terms of lousy T&C's: it's the very reason you now suddenly want to leave! Catch 22...
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How many other airlines out there will provide those wonderkinds with the left hand seat of a 777 or A330/340 at only 6500-7000 hours? Yeah, not many. You can expect to wait a lot longer for a left hand seat of a heavy jet nearly everywhere else.
Right or wrong, that type of career progression is extremely rare. Plus, who wants to be left hand seat of LCC and do so many sectors per day, every day for the rest of your career? It would be like that movie Groundhog Day. I can see why so many Ryanair and Easy refugees are looking to flee. Some people might prefer multi-sectors to long haul - whatever floats your boat.
Right or wrong, that type of career progression is extremely rare. Plus, who wants to be left hand seat of LCC and do so many sectors per day, every day for the rest of your career? It would be like that movie Groundhog Day. I can see why so many Ryanair and Easy refugees are looking to flee. Some people might prefer multi-sectors to long haul - whatever floats your boat.
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I have heard that they will be looking for DEC very soon....
The difference this time is that they'll be targeting the guys who work for the Majors and have the relevant experience in truly global operations.
3 years ago they got their fingers burned by recruiting a small number of DEC's with no true experience outside N.America and Europe and (unfairly?) didn't give them the required training or preparation for such a situation. I know a few of them didn't make it through the training, and a number of those that did were subsequently demoted (even fired) due to some incidents.
Unfortunately the onus is on YOU as a DEC, and you're expected to know everything there is to know about every type of flying we do here, even with no previous experience of the sort of routes that EK flys... there is NO support for even the smallest of slip-ups unfortunately.
I wonder if there will be an improvement to the package significant enough to pull in a few experienced 777 guys from BA...? I'm sure ultimately that's what they're after. The days of getting a DEC on a 777 with 10,000 hours domestic short-haul only experience are in the past unfortunately.
Still, will be tough to find the right guys with the way they've tarnished their reputation here on Pprune...!
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Yes.
As I said EK always have, they are now (taking applications anyway), and they will in the future.
All Companies have a "DEC on a contingency only" basis, but if needs be they will take them on. Less training therefore less cost. As the famous philosophers Run DMC once prophesised : "it's like that, it's just the way it is..."
As I said EK always have, they are now (taking applications anyway), and they will in the future.
All Companies have a "DEC on a contingency only" basis, but if needs be they will take them on. Less training therefore less cost. As the famous philosophers Run DMC once prophesised : "it's like that, it's just the way it is..."
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European Roadshows?
Does anyone have dates / locations for the Emirates FO Informations Sessions / Roadshows around Europe for Sept / Oct 2010? I have the UK dates but was wondering if there are any others planned?
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I went to the meeting in STN on Tuesday. About 30 there - approx 20 Ryanair - remainder EzyJet and Titan. A colleague said similar numbers today.
Very informative although the deal is not that interesting for an existing FR Capt.
Emirates staff were late for the event!
A funny moment was when a very gaunt PB from Ryanair walked down the hall while we were waiting outside the door. He counted the heads and caused some embarrassment for a few of us - typical FR.
Very informative although the deal is not that interesting for an existing FR Capt.
Emirates staff were late for the event!
A funny moment was when a very gaunt PB from Ryanair walked down the hall while we were waiting outside the door. He counted the heads and caused some embarrassment for a few of us - typical FR.
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A funny moment was when a very gaunt PB from Ryanair walked down the hall while we were waiting outside the door. He counted the heads and caused some embarrassment for a few of us - typical FR.
About 30 there - approx 20 Ryanair - remainder EzyJet and Titan.
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I wish everyone well going to Emirates, and indeed would actively encourage people to go. If this is the promised land for you then fill your boots. I think, however, the words of Mr Good Cat are excellent and should be listened to by all who are thinking of applying.
Regarding Superced's observation of no roadshow in France yet, it is always good to ask those difficult questions. If I was a recruiter in the HR department of a major international airline and read the posts of someone who has hated every employer he has ever had, and is already offended by my company before I got there, would my response be to lay on a roadshow for him and his fellow travellers? If there were literally hundreds of very experienced, highly motivated pilots queuing up to joing my company who have done everything in their power to make their own airline a success, would I scrabble around looking for miserable, unhappy people who hate flying, hate the airline industry and openly state their desire to make their employer's life as difficult as possible? Let me think now.....
Regarding Superced's observation of no roadshow in France yet, it is always good to ask those difficult questions. If I was a recruiter in the HR department of a major international airline and read the posts of someone who has hated every employer he has ever had, and is already offended by my company before I got there, would my response be to lay on a roadshow for him and his fellow travellers? If there were literally hundreds of very experienced, highly motivated pilots queuing up to joing my company who have done everything in their power to make their own airline a success, would I scrabble around looking for miserable, unhappy people who hate flying, hate the airline industry and openly state their desire to make their employer's life as difficult as possible? Let me think now.....
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Very informative although the deal is not that interesting for an existing FR Capt.
Could you tell us why? Is it because the money not enough?
Any info about upgrade times for current RYR captains.
Very informative although the deal is not that interesting for an existing FR Capt.
Could you tell us why? Is it because the money not enough?
Any info about upgrade times for current RYR captains.
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PB Job Sharing
Wow, PB is now double jobbing !!!! Bouncer too? his talents never cease to amaze me.....how sad that he feels it necessary to waddle down to STN Emirates Roadshow and do a roll call....Senior RYR FOs obviously becoming even more of a worry for PB and his hatchet gang !!
I am delighted to see these guys scrambling, what can he seriously do? employ more cadets??, not an option from what I hear, the cadet recruitment/training is already running at full capacity. anyways that doesnt solve his problem about filling the left seat with new upgrades in the short term.....
one of the posters mentioned he looked very "gaunt" at the emirates road show, he must have stayed up all night, to compose another masterpiece memo which will no doubt soon appear on company intranet... just shows what BS was contained in the last memo...
Good luck to the guys leaving for Emirates, no doubt, once confirmation of employment which will be expected to be announced over the coming months for applicants, RYR will really then feel the pinch.
Once again good luck to the pilots!
I am delighted to see these guys scrambling, what can he seriously do? employ more cadets??, not an option from what I hear, the cadet recruitment/training is already running at full capacity. anyways that doesnt solve his problem about filling the left seat with new upgrades in the short term.....
one of the posters mentioned he looked very "gaunt" at the emirates road show, he must have stayed up all night, to compose another masterpiece memo which will no doubt soon appear on company intranet... just shows what BS was contained in the last memo...
Good luck to the guys leaving for Emirates, no doubt, once confirmation of employment which will be expected to be announced over the coming months for applicants, RYR will really then feel the pinch.
Once again good luck to the pilots!
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If I was a recruiter in the HR department of a major international airline and read the posts of someone who has hated every employer he has ever had, and is already offended by my company before I got there, would my response be to lay on a roadshow for him and his fellow travellers? If there were literally hundreds of very experienced, highly motivated pilots queuing up to joing my company who have done everything in their power to make their own airline a success, would I scrabble around looking for miserable, unhappy people who hate flying, hate the airline industry and openly state their desire to make their employer's life as difficult as possible? Let me think now.....
Anything to make that company a great success eh Norman? Even if it means destroying T&C's in Europe, which ironically is the very reason these spineless idiots are now leaving FR and are applying with EK in the first place!
Mission accomplished in Ireland, the UK and soon Europe, next stop: the rest of the world!
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yes, best of luck to all applying to emirates and others.
RYR doesn't deserve the quality of people its been able to get during the last few years. a couple of years ago, there was no choice but to come here (every other airline was completely buggered) and i genuinely put my prejudices and pre-conceptions to one side and joined up with an open mind. although the money is reasonable for me now, it will probably get worse and the other terms and conditions and the management are squalid so i will leave when the right opportunity appears. if it doesn't appear, then i'll just leave and do something else. no amount of increased money would make me stay (within reason) and i would accept a pay cut in order to make the right move (within reason). i don't want to be a captain with them under any circumstances. i think many feel the same way. i still love flying.
we had a new cadet jump-seating a week or two ago who was ALREADY planning a move to the middle east (he had family out there etc), before he's even done his first revenue flight...
oh and Doug, you really are full of it matey. you're obviously in a bad situation or something because you sound stressed. your analysis and conclusions are so simple mindedly selfish. Lots of british guys wanted a union but we were totally outnumbered. The way ryanair is set up makes it impossible to have a union in the UK alone. the possibility of them shutting the uk bases and basing the planes abroad was simply too high a risk (dont think they wouldnt). that would clearly put us in a far worse position - dole office. in a normal uk company almost everyone would have backed balpa (that doesn't require a spine by the way), but in RYR, it was a no brainer.
RYR doesn't deserve the quality of people its been able to get during the last few years. a couple of years ago, there was no choice but to come here (every other airline was completely buggered) and i genuinely put my prejudices and pre-conceptions to one side and joined up with an open mind. although the money is reasonable for me now, it will probably get worse and the other terms and conditions and the management are squalid so i will leave when the right opportunity appears. if it doesn't appear, then i'll just leave and do something else. no amount of increased money would make me stay (within reason) and i would accept a pay cut in order to make the right move (within reason). i don't want to be a captain with them under any circumstances. i think many feel the same way. i still love flying.
we had a new cadet jump-seating a week or two ago who was ALREADY planning a move to the middle east (he had family out there etc), before he's even done his first revenue flight...
oh and Doug, you really are full of it matey. you're obviously in a bad situation or something because you sound stressed. your analysis and conclusions are so simple mindedly selfish. Lots of british guys wanted a union but we were totally outnumbered. The way ryanair is set up makes it impossible to have a union in the UK alone. the possibility of them shutting the uk bases and basing the planes abroad was simply too high a risk (dont think they wouldnt). that would clearly put us in a far worse position - dole office. in a normal uk company almost everyone would have backed balpa (that doesn't require a spine by the way), but in RYR, it was a no brainer.
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these spineless idiots are now leaving FR and are applying with EK in the first place
Is it so hard to understand that the problem is the SYSTEM and not the pilots??
I m sure you once dreamed of being a pilot, and I am sure you would have taken any job back then, at any wage. So leave the new kids alone, it's not their fault. We live in a rotten world where the only thing that counts is money, get over it. The only thing that can change the situation is LAWS from the governments that forbid these kind of contracts (not only in aviation!). But again that will never happen because, again, the only thing that counts is money and that is surely more important than the well being of my fellow colleagues!