Industrial Action at Flybe?
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LSM, "agitprop" means the old Soviet practice of agitation and propaganda, one of the methods by which their overseas agencies tried to spread communism throughout the world.
Or put another way, sticking your oar in where it doesnt belong and trying to stir up dissent and wind everyone up. Modern day, think of anarchist scumbags trying to hijack student fees demo and turn it into a riot.
On the other hand I like assymetricdrifts suggestion. Does anyone know a cheap snatch team?
Or put another way, sticking your oar in where it doesnt belong and trying to stir up dissent and wind everyone up. Modern day, think of anarchist scumbags trying to hijack student fees demo and turn it into a riot.
On the other hand I like assymetricdrifts suggestion. Does anyone know a cheap snatch team?
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BACon issue resolved in favour of the flight crew, posted on Balpa's company forum this morning. Still more 
things that could completely banjax this though
things that could completely banjax this though
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six-sixty, you don't have to read my comments if they're winding you up. You're free to ignore.
As it is the company can afford to be more generous, you deserve more but if this offer is accepted then you are selling yourselves way too short.
I hope you're not considering a yes vote so you don't appear to be too militant. If it takes dissent and a more aggressive stance then so be it. It'll stop the company walking all over you again and again and again and again. You have the perfect opportunity to put an end to it. Don't let it pass.
So far they have squashed the threat of IA with a lesser offer than was originally asked for by Balpa. Seems to me the company are winning, still.
As it is the company can afford to be more generous, you deserve more but if this offer is accepted then you are selling yourselves way too short.
I hope you're not considering a yes vote so you don't appear to be too militant. If it takes dissent and a more aggressive stance then so be it. It'll stop the company walking all over you again and again and again and again. You have the perfect opportunity to put an end to it. Don't let it pass.
So far they have squashed the threat of IA with a lesser offer than was originally asked for by Balpa. Seems to me the company are winning, still.
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I don't think LSM or any other outsider is trying to stir anything up - but it can/does take an outsider(s) to be able to take a detatched view and simply suggest that your demands have not been met - period - and furthermore, those of you who are naive enough to deem this offer as acceptable in the hope that French will be gernerous (and he hasn't with this one) in any future negotiation are urinating into a very strong wind.
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Judge is right - demands not met, French pretending to care, - none of it adds up. We are still in a strong position but will give it away if we vote 'yes'. Then there will be more dissatisfaction when we realise how we have been shafted, again, and more whingeing. Not a good place to be. But all pilots whinge, all workers whinge, but I don't think many professionals whinge. We need a deal that encourages professionalism.
six-sixty.
Totally agree with you.
And to be honest, I think that when the next negotiations come in 18 months, then we´ll be in a really good position to ask for a lot of things. The fleet will have quite a few more e-jets, they might already have a european deal by that time, and most of all the economy should be growing faster and people should be getting jobs around the country instead of loosing them, and will be SPENDING money. THEN! you can negotiate a proper deal.
I think this has gone on for far too long, and if we say NO to another "strongly recommended" offer (agreed that the first one was a joke) then I don´t think there´s much room for more negotiation and come back to the table saying oh actually turns out we liked it yesterday but not today. It´s going to seem like BALPA don´t have a clue of what we want, and everything is going to feel like a joke. And I too agree with the fact that voting for strike might not get us very far, in fact it might backfire big time....but hey what do I know....
It´ll be a YES from me, enjoy my backpay with a nice holiday, enjoy my 5% increase this winter (yes I will enjoy it and it will make a difference), and will plan to spend it on my 60 hour weekends. Let´s just freaking close this chapter and start thinking about the next one....it´s actually starting to get really boring to hear the same moooooooooooaning all the time.....
Totally agree with you.
And to be honest, I think that when the next negotiations come in 18 months, then we´ll be in a really good position to ask for a lot of things. The fleet will have quite a few more e-jets, they might already have a european deal by that time, and most of all the economy should be growing faster and people should be getting jobs around the country instead of loosing them, and will be SPENDING money. THEN! you can negotiate a proper deal.
I think this has gone on for far too long, and if we say NO to another "strongly recommended" offer (agreed that the first one was a joke) then I don´t think there´s much room for more negotiation and come back to the table saying oh actually turns out we liked it yesterday but not today. It´s going to seem like BALPA don´t have a clue of what we want, and everything is going to feel like a joke. And I too agree with the fact that voting for strike might not get us very far, in fact it might backfire big time....but hey what do I know....
It´ll be a YES from me, enjoy my backpay with a nice holiday, enjoy my 5% increase this winter (yes I will enjoy it and it will make a difference), and will plan to spend it on my 60 hour weekends. Let´s just freaking close this chapter and start thinking about the next one....it´s actually starting to get really boring to hear the same moooooooooooaning all the time.....
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That "can't be bothered/bored with/just want my back pay" attitude is exactly how to get the best deal.......for the company.
You are NOW in a really good position to ask for a lot of things. Strangely you're not asking though. You are about to accept a worse deal than Balpa originally asked for. That is the product of 18 months of negotiating. What makes you think that the next 18 months will be more succesful? Sadly I think you are setting a precedent for future negotiations if you accept this offer.
Just to reiterate. Flybe have just made their biggest profit ever, in the middle of a recession.
Are you implying that the current deal isn't a "proper" one? Yet you are still going to accept it?!
You are NOW in a really good position to ask for a lot of things. Strangely you're not asking though. You are about to accept a worse deal than Balpa originally asked for. That is the product of 18 months of negotiating. What makes you think that the next 18 months will be more succesful? Sadly I think you are setting a precedent for future negotiations if you accept this offer.
Just to reiterate. Flybe have just made their biggest profit ever, in the middle of a recession.
THEN! you can negotiate a proper deal
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The 'take it for an easy life' attitude is rather depressing to read. I hope some never get involved in long-term or strategic planning for a living because the end of next week seems to be the extent of their forward view.
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Sorry.... I have bit my tongue too long. Yes I am no longer Flybe but have a vested interest and many friends there.
Just saying 'Grow some' is a bit rude but judge11 puts it very well. If you have principals ...stick to them.
Good luck
Just saying 'Grow some' is a bit rude but judge11 puts it very well. If you have principals ...stick to them.
Good luck
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........but the majority of you will still be working for flybe for the foreseeable future so best you get the best possible deal for those remaining. All of you busily putting your BA applications together may think 'you' are god's gift to aviation; BA may have other ideas so plan for that event.
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All of you busily putting your BA applications together may think 'you' are god's gift to aviation
All gone quiet while the ballot takes place ( and BA applications are filled in).
Lots of umming as to whether this is the start of a new improved management attitude?
Can a leopard change it's spots??
How many loop holes will they find in the new agreements, if passed?
The longer it takes the more doubts people seem to have.
Surely doubts = no??
Thoughts??
Lots of umming as to whether this is the start of a new improved management attitude?
Can a leopard change it's spots??
How many loop holes will they find in the new agreements, if passed?
The longer it takes the more doubts people seem to have.
Surely doubts = no??
Thoughts??
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You guys need to get with the program.
The company has not made big profits, its all gone, nowt left
due to bad weather and Iceland scewing us over (again).
Those that pontificate about standing firm and all that bs,
what a load of crock, we are NOW in the best position by
accepting this deal, we have shown the mismanagement
they cant push us around, lets get our ducks in a row
for the real fight, in 18 months time.
The company has not made big profits, its all gone, nowt left
due to bad weather and Iceland scewing us over (again).
Those that pontificate about standing firm and all that bs,
what a load of crock, we are NOW in the best position by
accepting this deal, we have shown the mismanagement
they cant push us around, lets get our ducks in a row
for the real fight, in 18 months time.
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Well you obviously know nothing about business spouting drivel like that.
Underlying profit, is just that, before being used for right offs, but thats
too hard for your little brain no doubt.
Look, we have to get over this, agree to the deal which the CC have
worked damn hard on, then give the mismanagment another kick
in the nuts in 18 months time, you know it makes sense, well maybe
you cannot understand it as you seem to be deviod of basic business
sense. I can suggest 'business for dummies', my misses vouches for it...
Underlying profit, is just that, before being used for right offs, but thats
too hard for your little brain no doubt.
Look, we have to get over this, agree to the deal which the CC have
worked damn hard on, then give the mismanagment another kick
in the nuts in 18 months time, you know it makes sense, well maybe
you cannot understand it as you seem to be deviod of basic business
sense. I can suggest 'business for dummies', my misses vouches for it...
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For goodness sake son, you need to grow a pair.
Your retort showed your lack of knowledge, if you
cannot accept that without responding with insults
then thats your problem, not mine!
Back to the issue in hand, vote YES for a bright future,
next time round the CC will have the mismanagment where
we want them.
Your retort showed your lack of knowledge, if you
cannot accept that without responding with insults
then thats your problem, not mine!
Back to the issue in hand, vote YES for a bright future,
next time round the CC will have the mismanagment where
we want them.
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Not at all son, backbone intact!
So we get less days off than the average worker? Doubt it!
And we get more holidays too, other than Teachers perhaps!
I do not think this is a bad deal, its the best we can get at
this time, we need to draw the line somewhere, and you should
also be aware if it is rejected, New Road will NOT support a strike,
perhaps some IA, but a strike, no chance.
Regroup and fight another day, we have the upper hand.
So we get less days off than the average worker? Doubt it!
And we get more holidays too, other than Teachers perhaps!
I do not think this is a bad deal, its the best we can get at
this time, we need to draw the line somewhere, and you should
also be aware if it is rejected, New Road will NOT support a strike,
perhaps some IA, but a strike, no chance.
Regroup and fight another day, we have the upper hand.
