Industrial Action at Flybe?
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Originally Posted by six-sixty
and everyone, please watch your backs. At least one v.senior management pilot has been heard wanting to sack everyone who voted No in the lead in to this, and I bet there's more. Obviously you can't do that, but I wouldn't want to get him in the sim if I were sticking my neck out on the non-anonymous boards. Added to the summary execution/check-your-six culture we're already got, and you've all the ingredients for a real pleasant summer coming up...
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I know EXT monitor this site, so would like to add food for thought.
After been more than reasonable the pilot work force has now found itself in a position where regardless of personal opinion WE have been left with no other choice but to vote yes to IA! I have no wish to strike however if we vote anything but yes then bye bye scheduling agreement for what its worth, and bye bye to ever seeing a pay rise again!
Come on EXT sort it out before you flush the company down the pan!
After been more than reasonable the pilot work force has now found itself in a position where regardless of personal opinion WE have been left with no other choice but to vote yes to IA! I have no wish to strike however if we vote anything but yes then bye bye scheduling agreement for what its worth, and bye bye to ever seeing a pay rise again!
Come on EXT sort it out before you flush the company down the pan!
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Strike is on the cards
Did my time in JEA, Exeter folk are bumpkins, but greedy bumpkins. A strike is likely according to my buddies still there. Tired and underpaid seem to be the keywords, and CC echo them. Sort yourselves out, French et al!
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I wish you every success with this struggle and you must see this through as the ramifications of your actions will extend beyond flybe. It will send a long overdue message to 'airline managment' in the UK that the pilot workforce is an essential element in any company and should be treated, not preferentially, but with the respect and courtesy afforded to the other executives in the company. It should also make it crystal clear that, as a group, it is no longer prepared to accept exploitative pay and scheduling agreements imposed upon them.
Why any management wants to deliberately and constantly antagonise its (arguably) most valuable asset is beyond me. Stick to your guns!
Why any management wants to deliberately and constantly antagonise its (arguably) most valuable asset is beyond me. Stick to your guns!
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A bit of devils advocate here, but do you think the management are thinking that with the number of SFO's within, and the number of hungry newbies out there that they are practically bullet proof?
Basically pi22 everyone off, many quit, but many of the SFO's can sense command so decide to stick it out to get some command hours, open the tap for newbies. Rinse and repeat.
Basically pi22 everyone off, many quit, but many of the SFO's can sense command so decide to stick it out to get some command hours, open the tap for newbies. Rinse and repeat.
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Well to be honest, its too late now. The ballot papers will be out soon no doubt and we will have no choice but to vote for a strike (hopefully with a far greater landslide than before). Don't be afraid to do this people, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Once the dates for a strike have been given, the company will no doubt trot out some kind of "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line and start playing with the media. We shall counter attack with the plethora of ammunition in our arsenal... The company will then capitulate at the 11th hour (it probably never planned to allow a strike to happen in the first place).
Then where will that leave us, yes we will have got what we wanted but can you imagine the atmosphere after that? Oh what a wonderful place it will be to work then!
Irreversible damage has already been done regardless of the final settlement and as has been said before... what a bloody shame...
Then where will that leave us, yes we will have got what we wanted but can you imagine the atmosphere after that? Oh what a wonderful place it will be to work then!
Irreversible damage has already been done regardless of the final settlement and as has been said before... what a bloody shame...
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It is a shame. Flybe could be so much better.
But just think what it'll feel like to wipe the smug look off the faces of that idiot teenage COO(ck) and the beardy pilot hating loadie with huge egos and massive delusions of grandeur.
After all, they got to where they are on the back of your low salaries. It's time they started to repay the 'favour'.
Don't forget that any damage done to Flybe's reputation, ability and finances is not your fault. The management are in charge, allegedly. They lead the airline down this path and it is up to them to reverse it. End of.
Stick together lads and lasses, it's your last chance.
But just think what it'll feel like to wipe the smug look off the faces of that idiot teenage COO(ck) and the beardy pilot hating loadie with huge egos and massive delusions of grandeur.
After all, they got to where they are on the back of your low salaries. It's time they started to repay the 'favour'.
Don't forget that any damage done to Flybe's reputation, ability and finances is not your fault. The management are in charge, allegedly. They lead the airline down this path and it is up to them to reverse it. End of.
Stick together lads and lasses, it's your last chance.
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i dont think there are Many sfo waiting for commands. Why get a command on the dash if you can get jet time on the 195 and get a better job somewhere else when the doors start to open? Money? Not really that great on the dash, plus the company pays your "loyalty" all this years to start on pay scale 1 when you move seats!
Great!!!!, don't you just love it?
Great!!!!, don't you just love it?
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I agree, most SFO's are looking to stay on the jet then leave, most of the new skippers have just upgraded for the payrise and are also looking to escape. A few have gone for a command rather than the jet as there is no bond.
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To quote a certain flight safety manager "Fatigue is NOT a flight safety issue" - Go figure. The more he was questioned the more irrate he became.
So, simple, don't fly when you're fatigued!
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Snigs you are right and I agree but it was the attitude that surprised me. Safety is king and if there is any hint that the rostering of crew may increase risk then it's a problem more than worthy of the attention of the flight safety department especially after the colgan tragedy. Fatigue is a tricky thing to put your finger on but it exists and is a threat to aviation. Tiredness is the real threat with the current flybe rostering practices. Constantly changing shift patterns can leave for the odd day where you are suitably below par and in the dash this is never a good thing 
Easyjet, Ryanair and BA etc all have much better patterns than Flybe.
Easyjet, Ryanair and BA etc all have much better patterns than Flybe.
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Nothing so far, then the timescale (assuming similar to BACC debacle) is 3-4weeks for balloting then 28days to name dates then min 7 days notice I believe
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Stand up for your rights!
This nonsense of "the schedule is sound, you cannot possibly be fatigued, the schedule complied with Subpart Q" is starting to scare me. As if we are alert and fully capable of handling situations whereever we find ourselves in the permitted operational span of Subpart Q.
Whenever a pilot in Europe has the opportunity to go on strike motivated by the FTL's, he/she should, the message has to be driven through. FTL's are limitations and not goals. For a schedule to be laid down according to Subpart Q, a fatigue monitoring programme has to be established for it to be safe. The public needs to be enlightened.
Have a look at this, an excellent and easy to understand summary. Show all your friends:
Good luck everyone in FlyBe and elsewhere fighting this fight. We need to be united, not only within our airlines but across aswell! Head down and go for it!
LnS
This nonsense of "the schedule is sound, you cannot possibly be fatigued, the schedule complied with Subpart Q" is starting to scare me. As if we are alert and fully capable of handling situations whereever we find ourselves in the permitted operational span of Subpart Q.
Whenever a pilot in Europe has the opportunity to go on strike motivated by the FTL's, he/she should, the message has to be driven through. FTL's are limitations and not goals. For a schedule to be laid down according to Subpart Q, a fatigue monitoring programme has to be established for it to be safe. The public needs to be enlightened.
Have a look at this, an excellent and easy to understand summary. Show all your friends:
Good luck everyone in FlyBe and elsewhere fighting this fight. We need to be united, not only within our airlines but across aswell! Head down and go for it!
LnS
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Do you know CC , I 100% agree with every sentence ,word and letter you said . I'm pretty sure most people at my base think the same . If we dont follow this through to the end , we are finished and our time at flybe (for me anyway) must come to an end !! Time to move on even it means not flying anymore
We talk about strike at Flybe ??? !! I honestly think the industry as a whole needs to go on strike as a whole . It has become (the best way i can describe it ) is diseased and infected !!!!!!!! Its not a career or a profession anymore ................we get laughed at !!!!!!
Whats happening at Flybe is the tip of the proverbial iceberg
Very very very sad times for all pilots
We talk about strike at Flybe ??? !! I honestly think the industry as a whole needs to go on strike as a whole . It has become (the best way i can describe it ) is diseased and infected !!!!!!!! Its not a career or a profession anymore ................we get laughed at !!!!!!
Whats happening at Flybe is the tip of the proverbial iceberg
Very very very sad times for all pilots
I agree with WW,
Regional bases, home life is still more than limited when rostered 5 or 6 lates straight!
6 day blocks are becoming more and more regular, often with just 2 days off.
pilot numbers are at breaking point, roters are usaully in high 80`s and 90`s (except for a few lucky ones), even part time guys are maxed out.
There will be no redundancies, aircraft may be going, but so too are crew members. many just waiting in the wings for a nice hello from Easyjet or BA.
recruitment will be in full flow soon, courses already running!
current crews are maxed out and shattered.
fed up with manahement spin and crewing taking the p155!!
moral at an all time low.
a quick shout round the crew rooms gets a chorus of agreements when IA is mentioned.
Time for Flybe to sort themselves out and start acting like the proper airline that they want to be and less like a minor regional prop outfit!!
Regional bases, home life is still more than limited when rostered 5 or 6 lates straight!
6 day blocks are becoming more and more regular, often with just 2 days off.
pilot numbers are at breaking point, roters are usaully in high 80`s and 90`s (except for a few lucky ones), even part time guys are maxed out.
There will be no redundancies, aircraft may be going, but so too are crew members. many just waiting in the wings for a nice hello from Easyjet or BA.
recruitment will be in full flow soon, courses already running!
current crews are maxed out and shattered.
fed up with manahement spin and crewing taking the p155!!
moral at an all time low.
a quick shout round the crew rooms gets a chorus of agreements when IA is mentioned.
Time for Flybe to sort themselves out and start acting like the proper airline that they want to be and less like a minor regional prop outfit!!
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I don't know why I bother reading the missives that come out from the company anymore. Because they just make even more upset than I am at the moment with this bloody company.
If Jim thinks giving us a proper weekend off with our loved ones is going to kill the 'regional business model' then he should see what having all of his pilots walking out on strike will do it, along with the irreparable damage to staff relations and lasting damage to the brand and customer loyalty.
Just bonkers.
If Jim thinks giving us a proper weekend off with our loved ones is going to kill the 'regional business model' then he should see what having all of his pilots walking out on strike will do it, along with the irreparable damage to staff relations and lasting damage to the brand and customer loyalty.
Just bonkers.