Industrial Action at Flybe?
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From: Hang on, let me check the FMS...
Am I right in thinking that it will soon be a legal requirement for airlines to include your FDA in your Holiday Pay anyway?
Thought there was a court case somewhere in europe where this was agreed?
Thought there was a court case somewhere in europe where this was agreed?
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From: the OFCR......and probably somewhere over China zzzzzzzz
Thats a negative from me!! Especially as i've just found found how many extra routes plus assest of the turbo fan type my base is due to get for the summer. The same hours/sectors/duties as an orange driver........but with a damn less pay! Now did i read thay KY jelly was being issued to all pilots to receive more shafting??
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From: European Administrative Area (Western District and Islands)
I like the table comparing our very convolutedly calculated "virtual" raises to EJ/BMI etc. Why compare it at year 4 FO... and more importantly where's the table comparing the actual salaries?
I look forward to the Balpa version to give it a bit of context, but I don't think this represents the step change in package that a lot of us are expecting.
I look forward to the Balpa version to give it a bit of context, but I don't think this represents the step change in package that a lot of us are expecting.
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From: UK
Is it a spoof pay deal?
A 2 year real terms pay cut, followed by a 0.5% rise. Less time off and been given backdated pay for what we were supposed to have been paid for years anyway!
Is it just me? Or is this a practical joke????
A 2 year real terms pay cut, followed by a 0.5% rise. Less time off and been given backdated pay for what we were supposed to have been paid for years anyway!
Is it just me? Or is this a practical joke????
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From: Here and there
Earlies to lates should be covered in the new blue sky scheduling.
Holiday pay is being covered (in court?) anyway.
So we are left with a 2% pay rise again. No different from before!
Who knows what will happen in the next 3 yrs.
Only thing I know, carry on like this and I won't be here!!
It a big tick in the NO box I'm afraid.
Holiday pay is being covered (in court?) anyway.
So we are left with a 2% pay rise again. No different from before!
Who knows what will happen in the next 3 yrs.
Only thing I know, carry on like this and I won't be here!!
It a big tick in the NO box I'm afraid.
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From: Milton Keynes
I'm surprised the shares haven't taken a dent after reading the pay proposal, I'm sure there will be some sort of industrial action as a result of this kick in the b*lls.
As has already been mentioned this is actually a real terms pay cut not a rise, although I do love that graph. If you isolate the pay award part of the column it looks pathetic in comparison to RPI.
Small aside here, I wonder why the RPI is calculated on those months in particular and whether these differ significantly from the rest of the year.
I could go on a huge rant but,
NO from me will save time.
As has already been mentioned this is actually a real terms pay cut not a rise, although I do love that graph. If you isolate the pay award part of the column it looks pathetic in comparison to RPI.
Small aside here, I wonder why the RPI is calculated on those months in particular and whether these differ significantly from the rest of the year.
I could go on a huge rant but,
NO from me will save time.
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From: UK
However you dress it up...
... it's "No thanks" from me too...
Although I'm hoping that those who may...
... Don't just say yes like last time
C'mon! Stand up and be counted... vote for the longer term good and the aforementioned lump sum will be bigger!!!
Although I'm hoping that those who may...
- be leaving soon,
- be retiring soon or,
- just 'fancy' a bit of a lump sum back payment asap
... Don't just say yes like last time
C'mon! Stand up and be counted... vote for the longer term good and the aforementioned lump sum will be bigger!!!
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From: uk
"I'm surprised the shares haven't taken a dent after reading the pay proposal"
Possibly because in the past flybe pilots have shown little or no backbone, and have just bent over and taken it - however I think the mood in the crewrooms and on the flightdecks is different this time.
Possibly because in the past flybe pilots have shown little or no backbone, and have just bent over and taken it - however I think the mood in the crewrooms and on the flightdecks is different this time.
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From: UK
I'm surprised the shares haven't taken a dent after reading the pay proposal, I'm sure there will be some sort of industrial action as a result of this kick in the b*lls.
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From: UK
No no no no no
This isn't even remotely close to being acceptable and the management really need to wake up and take stock of the ugly mood they've got in their crewrooms here...
The cost of this little lot is estimated at £1.7m between 720 pilots.
The recent Directors flotation bonuses were more than that and divided amongst 5 people.
On top of which do they seriously think they can award themselves 28% pay rises and expect us to take 2% over 2 years???
"History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them."
DP
The cost of this little lot is estimated at £1.7m between 720 pilots.
The recent Directors flotation bonuses were more than that and divided amongst 5 people.
On top of which do they seriously think they can award themselves 28% pay rises and expect us to take 2% over 2 years???
"History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them."
Martin Luther King Jr.
DP
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From: Hang on, let me check the FMS...
The opportunities for 90% of pilots at flybe to move are non-existent at the moment.
I want to move eventually, but with the market as it is the likelihood is I will still be at Flybe in 2012 (and I’m fairly senior), anyone who votes yes to this ridiculous pay deal in the hope they will leave in a few months clearly has a serious lack of intelligence.