Easyjet Hold Pool

[si jet]

I'm aware that there have been numerous threads regarding the EasyJet Hold pool for DEP's. I have been sitting in the 'Pool' for nearly 20 months, and I am aware that the likely hood of being called by Ezy is nil due to the CTC/OAT/Parc guys queing up to P2F.

Have any of the you guys in the Hold pool been contacted by Ezy to let you know what is happening? My expiry date [2 years] comes to an end in the summer, but I haven't heard anything.

Assuming, looking at the other threads, that P2F is the only way that airlines like Ezy/Ryr etc, will be recruiting pilots in the future?

Any feedback from the (ex)hold pool people would be appreciated. By the way I don't want to add fuel to the P2F fire! I can see that is going on elsewhere. Thanks.

Si Jet

[Plod]

They've taken on some ex bmi scarebus pilots on their flexicrew contracts recently, experienced crews with current TRs and only paying them by the hour. Yet another way for an airline to reduce T&C's.

[Full Left Rudder]

Si Jet - whilst I sympathise with your situation, it is not the case that all CTC/OAT/Parc guys are paying to fly. It is only a relatively small percentage in that position.

Have you had any luck in contacting CTC or Parc about the recruitment for the current hourly contracts? Not the full time position you were hoping for/promised, but it might be your best chance of securing a permanent contract at a later date if you can get your foot in the door.

[si jet]

Thanks guys for your replies. FLR I appreciate that not all the CTC/OAT pilots are P2F, and thanks for clarifying that for me. I will have a chat with Parc and see what they say. I some how don't see Easyjet returning to the TRSS scheme that I and many others were meant to be on./

Thanks again for all your replies though!

Cheers,

Si Jet.

[EpsilonVaz]

Actually no CTC/OAT cadets are P2F. Easy has not run a P2F scheme since 2008.

[FANS]

Epsilon - it depends how you define P2F!!! I'd say the recent OAA guys pretty much were.

[SinBin]

I'll batten down the hatches and take the flack. I maybe one of these ex bmi, parc SFOs who have recently joined easy on a flexi-contract this summer with a permanent position from November. I am certainly not paying to fly in fact quite the opposite. My next roster I have 90+ hours at £67 per hour paid to me, with a self employed tax of at least 75% retention of salary. I don't have a calculator but that isn't that bad as long as the rest of the summer is like that. I don't like this deal as it has no solid guarantees that a permanent position brings, but this keeps a roof over my head whilst I examine all options open to me.

I have to say that in this day and age having a full ATPL with a few thousand hours on type and the right contacts in the industy does open doors slightly, but this option was the only one available to me and times have changed since 20 months ago i am sorry to say. Hopefully the good old days of sponsorship and airlines employing people direct and paying for ratings as bmi did for me will return however with last weeks events this may have put that back by 6 months.

Sorry if this pisses some people off but thats the way it is I'm afraid.

[Lubeoil]

Does anyone know if Easyjet will be employing 737 drivers through Parc/CTC? I believe that Newcastle and Belfast are still Boeing bases.
I must say that I agree with SinBin. Take what you can to keep current and hopefully better times are around the corner for all.

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

I think all those currently knocking easyJet, and there are no shortage of them, would do well to read SinBin's post. He is one of those Parc 'losers' who were taken on under 'dire' conditions. He now has the promise of a full time contract with easyJet - in the current climate that is not bad. He will not be on a brilliant deal, but it will be a whole lot better than working for Vietnam Airlines or similar.

Lubeoil - Both Belfast and Newcastle are now Airbus bases and the last of the Belfast pilots are now going through the training system from the 737 to the Airbus as we speak. I cannot give an exact figure but I believe we now only have around 6 737s left - all based in Luton. Hope that helps.

[sk8erboi]

Over the years I have read your posts NSF and respected them fully, even when I have wondered what on earth is going on at EZY. They are always rational, coherent and most of all fair.
BUT

He is one of those Parc 'losers' who were taken on under 'dire' conditions. He now has the promise of a full time contract with easyJet - in the current climate that is not bad. He will not be on a brilliant deal, but it will be a whole lot better than working for Vietnam Airlines or similar.

makes you sound like an apologist for a very poor offering from your employers. I can't be bothered looking through your past posts and won't insult you by doing so. However I'm sure in the past you have proffered the view that hourly paid contracts are a piss take, especially for type rated, experienced guys. A view I agree with. Low houred P2F monkeys I don't give a damn for. In my opinion they reap what they sow. But guys who entered and served in this profession long before rich brats started ruining it for us I think deserve better. maybe you have been brainwashed by the Orange machine. I hope not. But as a Balpa CC member, albeit on a much smaller scale, I am disappointed by your views.

Best Regards

[stansdead]

Sin Bin

You are NOT self employed. PARC and eJ may tell you that you are, but you are definitely not.

Let me ask you these questions (before HMRC does):

1) Are you provided with a roster?
2) Are you provided with tools? i.e. an aircraft, a crew room, charts etc
3) Do you provide your Piloting services to more than one operator?
4) If you are sick, do you have someone you send in your place to act as a "sub"?

If you can answer NO to 1 + 2 and YES to 3 + 4, then you may have a chance. But, we all know and HMRC know that this is clearly not the case. Be careful. And I'd be careful about bragging about your Tax affairs on PPRUNE. It's a bit dumb to be honest.

[SinBin]

Stansdead, don't worry it is all above board! Self employed is not strictly my situation, I'm not bragging at all. Just telling how it is. I'm just sitting this out until the end of the contract with gritted teeth.

[Wingswinger]

sk8erboi

He is one of those Parc 'losers' who were taken on under 'dire' conditions. He now has the promise of a full time contract with easyJet - in the current climate that is not bad. He will not be on a brilliant deal, but it will be a whole lot better than working for Vietnam Airlines or similar.

I think NSF was employing some gentle sarcasm don't you?

A view I agree with. Low houred P2F monkeys I don't give a damn for. In my opinion they reap what they sow. But guys who entered and served in this profession long before rich brats started ruining it for us I think deserve better.

Such a balanced viewpoint. That sort of language does nobody any credit. You have strong views. We all do on some subject or other. That does not entitle us to refer to fellow pilots whom we do not know as "monkeys" or "rich brats". I don't know what company CC you are a member of but as a BALPA CC member you ought to remember that these fellows may also be BALPA members now or in the future. Incidentally I have just done a simulator detail with one whom you would refer to as a "monkey" or "rich brat". He was good. Very good. And very knowledgable for his stage of training. Indistinguishable from the good hand-picked cadet of yesteryear.

I deplore what has happened to the entry conditions for FOs but I have to say we are powerless to stop it within the law. Only airline executives and legislators can stop it. They have to be lobbied relentlessly. But, if we use the sort of language you use it will win no friends and win no battles.

[stansdead]

Good luck Sin Bin.

All I am trying to advocate is that these bulletin boards are read with interest by lots of people. Including HMRC.

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

sk8erboy - thanks that at least over the years you have liked what I have said, even if now you do not! I think you misunderstood what was said - the simple fact is that we are at last now giving permanent jobs to high-houred pilots. A number of the guys who came from Parc via BMI are now being offered full-time jobs easyJet. That, folks, is good news and we should be grateful for it. No one has detested the disgraceful terms and conditions that were offered to our FOs than me, but there are signs that little by little things are improving. I can only tell you that right now any permanent job in the UK flying Airbuses is a rare beast indeed - as far as I know easyJet are the only company doing it. Therefore, knock us if you will, but we are offering something no one else is. As I say, it is not all bad.

[Permafrost_ATPL]

NSF, I'd rather see cadets being offered a normal decent entry permanent contracts, instead of ex-BMI guys. No offence to them, but because of their hours they will most likely end up ahead of me on the command waiting list even though I am eligible for CPI. Our flight deck requirements are not such that we need to get either captains or command ready FOs. Many of us could have gone elsewhere 3 or 4 years ago but decided that easyJet was an OK place to climb the ladder. I know we are not a seniority based airline. But these are not desperate times in terms of recruitment, so rewarding loyalty wouldn't cost much.

P

[Mac72]

NSF
You failed to mention that at least 12 of the ex-bmi are j. curd's P2F chapps

mac

[ZBMAN]

I know we are not a seniority based airline.

Perhaps it is time we thought about it. Even if it doesn't fit in the orange ideology.

[SinBin]

MAC we're not talking about them and they were never 'ex bmi'. They have't got the same full time contract offer as the guys with 1000 hrs +. There were about 7 of us on the Parc contract and about the same with CTC.

[eagle21]

NSF
You failed to mention that at least 12 of the ex-bmi are j. curd's P2F chapps

mac

And you forgot to mention some of these have 8000 hours total, previous jet experience and command experience on turboprop...

One thing I have learnt is that you have to look case by case.

Respect other and if anyone is not happy with their own situation they should change it.