The IPA at bmibaby
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I'd like to clarify a myth with regard to transfers to mainline from baby. You currently keep your group date of joining but you join the seniority list at the bottom. This means that you are protected in the event of redundancy consultations as your previous time served counts for you. However you don't get any preferrential bidding rights over those that have been there longer.
Given that this doesn't appear to be reciprocated by baby any more, I imagine that any new transferees will shortly lose that right, which would be a shame for them as it might make them think twice about moving. However, I can't see the mainline CC, who seem a deal more capable than baby's, reacting any other way.
AFAIK regional and mainline maintain this mutually beneficial stance, and anyone moving to regional in this latest recruitment would expect the same.
Max
Given that this doesn't appear to be reciprocated by baby any more, I imagine that any new transferees will shortly lose that right, which would be a shame for them as it might make them think twice about moving. However, I can't see the mainline CC, who seem a deal more capable than baby's, reacting any other way.
AFAIK regional and mainline maintain this mutually beneficial stance, and anyone moving to regional in this latest recruitment would expect the same.
Max
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Rumour was at DHL they(balpa) did a ballot to decide who the workforce wanted to represent them, but only balloted the Balpa members.
The fact also remains that some people will be members of both unions and a simple membership majority in terms of baby pilot mumbers may not indicate that, that many actually want IPA to take over, based on the strike ballot 3/4 years ago Balpa aren't exactly switched on when it comes to ballots.
Although IPA membership is 50%+, is the figure the same registered on the IPA babypilot group website asking if you would support the change?
Only way that everyone will be convinced it is representitve of the whole workforces view is if, in my opinion, the company does the ballot.
The fact also remains that some people will be members of both unions and a simple membership majority in terms of baby pilot mumbers may not indicate that, that many actually want IPA to take over, based on the strike ballot 3/4 years ago Balpa aren't exactly switched on when it comes to ballots.
Although IPA membership is 50%+, is the figure the same registered on the IPA babypilot group website asking if you would support the change?
Only way that everyone will be convinced it is representitve of the whole workforces view is if, in my opinion, the company does the ballot.
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SJM - I was active on a thread about BALPA membership in RYR a while back and, due to a PM I was sent through that I was told that BALPA was on the verge of winning a recognition ballot when DHL invited IPA recognition despite them having very few members, BALPA had 50%+.
It would follow that many would join IPA as the recognised union and says nothing about BALPA.
It would follow that many would join IPA as the recognised union and says nothing about BALPA.
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From: Nottingham
Guys can I take this opportunity to cut straight to the chase here.
It does not matter one bit which organisation is representing its pilots, whether you are wearing around your scrawny neck an IPA id card holder or a BALPA one as in both cases it is our own pilots that are representing us....period!
Its all very well shouting about who has the biggest and shiniest office and who has the biggest budget, but how much of either have we seen at baby?
In the case of BALPA it is a fundimental failing of epic proportions that the council can enter into negotiations behind closed doors, fail or refuse to publish minutes of important meetings and then privately agree to measures that have a serious impact on the pilots that they are supposed to represent without balloting them.
We should all expect clarity and accountability from whoever is representing us in future.
I am sure that the BALPA CC have worked very hard in the past but sadly I feel that they have let themselves down by not following correct protocols that have sadly exposed them to allegations of impropriety.
It does not matter one bit which organisation is representing its pilots, whether you are wearing around your scrawny neck an IPA id card holder or a BALPA one as in both cases it is our own pilots that are representing us....period!
Its all very well shouting about who has the biggest and shiniest office and who has the biggest budget, but how much of either have we seen at baby?
In the case of BALPA it is a fundimental failing of epic proportions that the council can enter into negotiations behind closed doors, fail or refuse to publish minutes of important meetings and then privately agree to measures that have a serious impact on the pilots that they are supposed to represent without balloting them.
We should all expect clarity and accountability from whoever is representing us in future.
I am sure that the BALPA CC have worked very hard in the past but sadly I feel that they have let themselves down by not following correct protocols that have sadly exposed them to allegations of impropriety.
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From: In the clouds above
Just interested to know almost 10 days on from the last post if Baby pilots are impressed or feel its more of the same with respect to the IPA. maybe its too soon to determine either of the above.
As has been discussed they have quite an opportunity here give a good account of themselves and maybe give themselves a little more credibility in our industry.
I think a number of people, myself included are interested to see how this particular battle pans out.
Ideally BALPA could have dealt with this but I and nobody else can blame the current pilots there from exploring alternatives if what written so far on this thread has transpired.
As has been discussed they have quite an opportunity here give a good account of themselves and maybe give themselves a little more credibility in our industry.
I think a number of people, myself included are interested to see how this particular battle pans out.
Ideally BALPA could have dealt with this but I and nobody else can blame the current pilots there from exploring alternatives if what written so far on this thread has transpired.
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From: Europa
It takes time and effort
Patience is a virtue but she won't always wait......
Union employer recognition agreements take at least 3 months to settle and that's with the voluntary version. Statutory takes a little longer. Don't expect miracles in 10 days!
Union employer recognition agreements take at least 3 months to settle and that's with the voluntary version. Statutory takes a little longer. Don't expect miracles in 10 days!
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From: One hump; two if you're pretty.
Why IPA and not BALPA?
Because BLAPA are a bunch of self-absorbed, self-interested auto eroticists who, demonstrably, don't give a rats anus about anyone beyond the sallow shores of BA. Except Norman; they love Norman.
Sir Mary Bishop built a wonderful airline from nothing. His baby is to be thrown out with the German bath water. Get over it.
Dum gelaufen.
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From: FUBAR
Sir Mary Bishop 
thought you had to be ex BMI to know that "secret" 
, hope you know a good libel lawyer Leo 
Oh BTW, welcome back, long time no hear, thought you had signed for Virgin Galactic and misprogrammed the FMC on your line training
thought you had to be ex BMI to know that "secret" , hope you know a good libel lawyer Leo Oh BTW, welcome back, long time no hear, thought you had signed for Virgin Galactic and misprogrammed the FMC on your line training
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From: One hump; two if you're pretty.
Mary's Mouthful.
I wouldn't worry too much, Playstation. Oscar tried that with the Marquis of Queensberry a while ago and ended up with two years hard in Reading gaol for his trouble. Though not, it must be said, the hard he was accustomed to.
Poor Oscar.
Matilda Bishop, meanwhile, has £450m to be getting on with; more than enough to indulge his appetites for jump-suited youth and D'Oyly Carte.....though presumably not at the same time.
Poor Oscar.
Matilda Bishop, meanwhile, has £450m to be getting on with; more than enough to indulge his appetites for jump-suited youth and D'Oyly Carte.....though presumably not at the same time.
