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Sorry mate but can you explain what have you got against eastern european pilots pls? Are you saying that it is ok for ezy or fr to fly to prague or karkow but as long as there is a brit behind the controls??
Mac
Sorry mate but can you explain what have you got against eastern european pilots pls? Are you saying that it is ok for ezy or fr to fly to prague or karkow but as long as there is a brit behind the controls??
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So do I, especially when it is a BRITISH airline and there are so many qualified BRITISH pilots unemployed. Yes we require higher pay because the cost of living in this crap country is so high. I have just seen 'wife swap' in which an unemployed woman with 7 kids takes home £2700 a month after tax and a building contractor is earning 90K a year. Meanwhile people are supposed to accept 18K a year because an Eastern European will do the job for less or because 115 berks (and yes I do mean absolute, catastrophic, thick and very deluded berks) at Oxford have applied for this horrendous scheme. I hope they take their parents down with them - all 115 of them - that ought to sort this 
out. The industry is absolutely shafted at the moment, it's an embarrasment.
out. The industry is absolutely shafted at the moment, it's an embarrasment.
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why dont you move abroad then if you dont like it here so much?
ive been living in the uk for the last 8 years and has always been paid the same as my BRITISH colleagues. I have a new years resolution for you -less "me,me,me" and a bit more "we,we,we"
M
why dont you move abroad then if you dont like it here so much?
ive been living in the uk for the last 8 years and has always been paid the same as my BRITISH colleagues. I have a new years resolution for you -less "me,me,me" and a bit more "we,we,we"
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Good for you. I don't see where the 'me, me, me' is in my post? I was speaking about British pilots and the future of the piloting career in general with my post. A good opportunity for you to share your New Years resolution none-the-less.
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1. It isn't slavery if you sign up for it.
2. It isn't right or wrong, it's just where the market is right now.
3. It will continue until everyone works out that the "recession" is over.
4. People who sign up for this aren't stupid or deluded, they just want the gig and are prepared to pay for it. Happens in every downturn, it isn't new. I can remember people buying type ratings back in the '80s.
5. Why do people expect airlines to continue paying high salaries when they don't have to? It's a business, it's all about balancing your cost base against safety.
I'd be the first to agree that things were a lot better 20 years ago (if you were in BA, anyway), but the world has moved on. Either get to grips with reality or find another career.
For myself, the more I see of the modern airline career, the more I want a different one!
2. It isn't right or wrong, it's just where the market is right now.
3. It will continue until everyone works out that the "recession" is over.
4. People who sign up for this aren't stupid or deluded, they just want the gig and are prepared to pay for it. Happens in every downturn, it isn't new. I can remember people buying type ratings back in the '80s.
5. Why do people expect airlines to continue paying high salaries when they don't have to? It's a business, it's all about balancing your cost base against safety.
I'd be the first to agree that things were a lot better 20 years ago (if you were in BA, anyway), but the world has moved on. Either get to grips with reality or find another career.
For myself, the more I see of the modern airline career, the more I want a different one!
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4. People who sign up for this aren't stupid or deluded, they just want the gig and are prepared to pay for it. Happens in every downturn, it isn't new. I can remember people buying type ratings back in the '80s.
(Disclaimer: no I am not at Oxford having lost out on a scheme like this to someone rich called William, nor have I ever!)
I couldn't understand the Ryanair scheme and why people signed up for it, I REALLY can't understand this. This makes the Ryanair deal look excellent. It's absolutley appauling. And to offer it as an 'opportunity' is laughable - an opportunity for who? OAA/ Parc and EasyJet and that is it.
The fact it has been forced on the CTC people is a completely different debate and one that the trainees thus far are not at fault over.
The easy trainers should refuse to line train those that are paying.easy to say but with collective will it could work.
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They are and stupid, deluded people existed in the 80s too. Besides, buying a TR with a guaranteed job at the end is one thing, buying a TR with 50 - 75 hours attached when qualified, experienced people are losing theirs is disrespectful, a complete mockery of the food chain, bad karma, short termist (what do they think will happen the following year - much, much more so on a scheme like this than Ryanairs), impatient and dreadfully, ignorantly thick in my view. Of course, little William, whos parents are so proud that he has scraped a CPL/IR will pay for it so that they can say at dinner parties that 'William's now a pilot for Easyjet'.
Cue the hardcore business analysts who will claim that this is purely economic forces at work and business is business...
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Not the trainers. The union. That's what we have unions for.
Ask yourself the following question: why don't airlines like Air France, BA, Lufthansa, KLM etc have any of these pay-for-type-rating deals? Answer: they have a strong union and pilot corps with a backbone and the foresight that this will lead to disaster!
Both the union and the membership won't allow it!
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It is interesting to see that some of you are surprised at an organisation like Oxford getting involved in such a scheme. However it must be remembered that a Flight Training Organisation is a business and the intention is to generate a profit. There is nothing illegal with this scheme and given the facilities that are now under the Oxford training umbrella, I can see more schemes like this in the future. I would also expect that this scheme will be very lucrative for Oxford as well.
Oxford are now in a very strong position and far stronger than CTC when you compare the facilities at their disposal. Will 2010 see Oxford becoming the 'Pay as you go' TRTO of choice for these airlines? I suspect it could well be!
Oxford are now in a very strong position and far stronger than CTC when you compare the facilities at their disposal. Will 2010 see Oxford becoming the 'Pay as you go' TRTO of choice for these airlines? I suspect it could well be!
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As someone who has had a very charmed route into the airline industry:
PPL at Biggin Hill then hour building and distance learning ATPL theoretical
Flight school - Jerez
Unpaid safety pilot job - about 6 months
Regional FO (flybe) - just under 2 years
Shorthaul FO (BA) - Airbus
I have little right to preach about the pro and cons of paying for a TR - it's something that by my own admission i've never had to consider.
Just be wary guys and gals - cheques only take seconds to write out but paying them back can take a decade or even longer (I say this from experience). If the money is your parents and paying it back is not the issue then ask yourself what is the liklihood you'll be kept on after your contractual package with Easyjet has ended? - If the answer is 'unlikely' you'll find yourself with a further 30 odd grand to repay and adrift in a sea of currently unemployed 737 type rated chaps/chapesses who have many thousands of hours compared to your 500.
I understand the quandry. In the old days the route to the RHS was a well trodden one, flight school then instructor or parachute dropper or safety pilot then turboprop driver (or 73) and so on. This path has become muddied not only by the downturn but also by new pilots shelling out for these packages in the hope of leap frogging the rest of the pack. And the truth is (IMHO) so many people have started to do it that in a way this has become the new norm - the point being there is no longer such an advantage to be had by doing it.
Its easy to be seduced by the dream (and it can be great career despite things looking pretty down beat right now) just think long and hard before each move you make.
CB
PPL at Biggin Hill then hour building and distance learning ATPL theoretical
Flight school - Jerez
Unpaid safety pilot job - about 6 months
Regional FO (flybe) - just under 2 years
Shorthaul FO (BA) - Airbus
I have little right to preach about the pro and cons of paying for a TR - it's something that by my own admission i've never had to consider.
Just be wary guys and gals - cheques only take seconds to write out but paying them back can take a decade or even longer (I say this from experience). If the money is your parents and paying it back is not the issue then ask yourself what is the liklihood you'll be kept on after your contractual package with Easyjet has ended? - If the answer is 'unlikely' you'll find yourself with a further 30 odd grand to repay and adrift in a sea of currently unemployed 737 type rated chaps/chapesses who have many thousands of hours compared to your 500.
I understand the quandry. In the old days the route to the RHS was a well trodden one, flight school then instructor or parachute dropper or safety pilot then turboprop driver (or 73) and so on. This path has become muddied not only by the downturn but also by new pilots shelling out for these packages in the hope of leap frogging the rest of the pack. And the truth is (IMHO) so many people have started to do it that in a way this has become the new norm - the point being there is no longer such an advantage to be had by doing it.
Its easy to be seduced by the dream (and it can be great career despite things looking pretty down beat right now) just think long and hard before each move you make.
CB
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How about setting up a strike throughout Europe and put an end to all this madness ?
When will Balpa firmly oppose the continuous fall in T&Cs ? When will BALPA require us captains to act and keep those airplanes on the ground ? Another 10 years and there'll be no descent jobs and we'll all have to speak Russian.
Why in hell did I quit my finance job ????
When will Balpa firmly oppose the continuous fall in T&Cs ? When will BALPA require us captains to act and keep those airplanes on the ground ? Another 10 years and there'll be no descent jobs and we'll all have to speak Russian.
Why in hell did I quit my finance job ????
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I don't believe you can strike for something that doesn't [B]directly[B] affect you otherwise it is "secondary action" , which is, I think, illegal.
Apart from that, I reckon MOL would be a lot quicker with his injunctions than WW. Either that or a bunch o' big lads from Dublin.
I don't believe you can strike for something that doesn't [B]directly[B] affect you otherwise it is "secondary action" , which is, I think, illegal.
Apart from that, I reckon MOL would be a lot quicker with his injunctions than WW. Either that or a bunch o' big lads from Dublin.
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No , it doesn't affect you DIRECTLY (tried to put this in bold in last post ).
If it was your company then yes, but your can't legally strike about what happens at another company ( seconday action).
IR laws brought inbefore/ during 1980's NUM strike to stop railwaymen/steelworkers etc supporting miners.
If it was your company then yes, but your can't legally strike about what happens at another company ( seconday action).
IR laws brought inbefore/ during 1980's NUM strike to stop railwaymen/steelworkers etc supporting miners.