base training B737 NG
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From: Dry bar
Oh really...
Well thats me told then I guess. I think if you did young man it would be a quick march down to the police station for you and the loss of an airside pass.
Not a good career move. Now who really needs to grow up? Batting silly little statements around like that is not conducive of being a grown up airline pilot now is it?
Well thats me told then I guess. I think if you did young man it would be a quick march down to the police station for you and the loss of an airside pass.
Not a good career move. Now who really needs to grow up? Batting silly little statements around like that is not conducive of being a grown up airline pilot now is it?
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From: UK
but 737 aircraft are plenty and jobs are available
Plenty of people looking for work at the moment with 1000's hours on type and the queue is sadly about to get longer with redundancies at bmi baby and thomson.
I don't think the rating is going to add much to your CV at the moment. Even if you wanted in at Ryanair as an FO they would expect you to pay for the rating again via their training scheme.
Sorry, but there really aren't plenty of jobs on the 737 at the moment if you have no hours on it.
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From: above the clouds
Interesting, but not surprising, to see where this thread is heading.
But that was not my goal.
Downturns are times of hardship, but also of opportunities.
I could imagine that companies need to increase the utility of their aircraft at these difficult times and are willing to supply basetraining at a competitive price to get their overhead costs down.
That was my question.
The job is stage two but the first signs are encouraging.
Companies are still hiring but are increasing their min requirements as can be expected.
Total time on type is not the only factor.
It also helps if you speak 4 or 5 languages fluently, something many brits(no offence) are rarely good in, but european companies often require.
This is the third downturn I am in but it always moved up again before and the sky will get Blue again
Thanks for the the PM so far
COT
But that was not my goal.
Downturns are times of hardship, but also of opportunities.
I could imagine that companies need to increase the utility of their aircraft at these difficult times and are willing to supply basetraining at a competitive price to get their overhead costs down.
That was my question.
The job is stage two but the first signs are encouraging.
Companies are still hiring but are increasing their min requirements as can be expected.
Total time on type is not the only factor.
It also helps if you speak 4 or 5 languages fluently, something many brits(no offence) are rarely good in, but european companies often require.
This is the third downturn I am in but it always moved up again before and the sky will get Blue again
Thanks for the the PM so far
COT
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From: on a beach
cupoftea,
Why do you think those times are unfortunately over? Beacause of all the guys selling themselves cheaply and willing to pay for everything as long as they got a job. Those very same guys are the ones that kept rumbling along on turboprops for the last 15 years. And now your are going to do the same. If people keep doing this things are going to keep getting worse. Don't you see it?
Why do you think those times are unfortunately over? Beacause of all the guys selling themselves cheaply and willing to pay for everything as long as they got a job. Those very same guys are the ones that kept rumbling along on turboprops for the last 15 years. And now your are going to do the same. If people keep doing this things are going to keep getting worse. Don't you see it?
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From: Dry bar
Dear oh dear there are a few tears being shed over this one. All I did was express my displeasure at the fact that another muppet is selling himself out to a ruthless training establishment, handing over probably tens of thousands for a useless rating on the wild speculation of getting a job out of it. In the meantime this is wrecking our industry with the excuse that this is the way it is so roll over and get ******!
You want to know where I came from eh? Sorry to dissapoint but I have not just crawled out of my daddies arse. Started working at 16, ex CPL/IR instructor & charter two kids and a very demanding wife. So you can bin the wet behind the ear wannabe theory.
You want to know where I came from eh? Sorry to dissapoint but I have not just crawled out of my daddies arse. Started working at 16, ex CPL/IR instructor & charter two kids and a very demanding wife. So you can bin the wet behind the ear wannabe theory.
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From: Sandpit
Now boys and gals. Be nice instead being such tosspots. You are like a pack of hyenas eating eachothers guts out. Sorry to say but this seems to be standard PPRUNE SOP these days though.
Cupoftea asked a simple question: Where can one do a base check on a 737NG.
This thread has creeped to the morals of buying ratings or training. Remember there is one thing money cannot buy and that is experience.
Lets see if I can answer the question first posted?
Cupoftea: Try Astraeus and Primera. You could also approach Pegasus in Turkey or Transavia in Netherlands. Also Bluebird cargo could probably help you but they operate the -300's.
Cupoftea asked a simple question: Where can one do a base check on a 737NG.
This thread has creeped to the morals of buying ratings or training. Remember there is one thing money cannot buy and that is experience.
Lets see if I can answer the question first posted?
Cupoftea: Try Astraeus and Primera. You could also approach Pegasus in Turkey or Transavia in Netherlands. Also Bluebird cargo could probably help you but they operate the -300's.
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From: Not over the Rockies anymore.
747JJ, you're right. COT asked a simple question, and the simple answer should have been:
@ the airline that hired and trained you!
The really ironic thing is, that all you pay for (insert whatever it is you paid for) wonders then complain about how crappy the industry is, and how airline management are scum?!
Whatever happened to paying your dues and climbing the ladder??
Shaun Ryder, what's the point of getting upset about these people?
'em!
@ the airline that hired and trained you!
The really ironic thing is, that all you pay for (insert whatever it is you paid for) wonders then complain about how crappy the industry is, and how airline management are scum?!
Whatever happened to paying your dues and climbing the ladder??
Shaun Ryder, what's the point of getting upset about these people?
'em!
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From: Near sheep!
Shaun Ryder, don't be such an arse.
I have every sympathy for your impending redundancy, but don't blame the 'scum' for doing exactly what you would have done had it been around then.
Blame the 'scum' at the top, raking in the bonuses.....
I have every sympathy for your impending redundancy, but don't blame the 'scum' for doing exactly what you would have done had it been around then.
Blame the 'scum' at the top, raking in the bonuses.....
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From: A few degrees South
I do not see what is the advantage of paying for your circuits. Any airline who wants to hire you will put you through their training anyway. Having done base training somewhere else will not put you on top af any list. Or do you want the rating on your private pilot`s license maybe?
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From: Dublin
Without the 6 take off and landing, 4 for the second type, or ZFT if you qualify, you cannot endorse the rating on the licence and hence you are not type rated! Airlines may put people through more sim if they arrive type rated, but not base training. The flying bit is the Line Training. Its about 6000 euro an hour on the a/c, you should get 6 take offs and landings in 45 mins.
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From: Not over the Rockies anymore.
Shaun Ryder, don't be such an arse.
I have every sympathy for your impending redundancy, but don't blame the 'scum' for doing exactly what you would have done had it been around then.
Blame the 'scum' at the top, raking in the bonuses.....
I have every sympathy for your impending redundancy, but don't blame the 'scum' for doing exactly what you would have done had it been around then.
Blame the 'scum' at the top, raking in the bonuses.....
I can't speak for others (although I'm certain there are tons of old schoolers out there that think/feel alike), but I for one chose not to do this then, and won't do it now!
"It" was around then, as "it" is around now, which we obviously already know.
So I'd say, be careful not to speak for others with certainty.
Further, I do realize that if I did "it", I'd probably not be in this
position I'm in now, but no matter what, that is the way it's going to be.Unfortunately, the "old school" mentality is dying...funny, so is good ol' stick'n'rudder airmanship!?
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From: England
Good luck to you cupoftea, don't listen to the opinionated and angry people who like to shoot everyone down for no reason except that they have grossly outsized opinions of their own importance. Stuck in the past and unable to adapt.....poor airmanship if you ask me.
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From: in front of my computer
Guys
wasn't it that if you do your training in a level D sim you don't need base training
?
the market saturation for 737 co pilots is it a UK or an european thing
or worldwide ?
cause Korean air is looking for 737 NG pilots
wasn't it that if you do your training in a level D sim you don't need base training
?
the market saturation for 737 co pilots is it a UK or an european thing
or worldwide ?
cause Korean air is looking for 737 NG pilots
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From: hertfordshire
Shaun Ryder
I think we will find looking back through time that the world has always been the same.
A person who pays to fly (as you call it) is not responsible for your current predicament in any way. The hundreds of cadets I work with have not jeopardised my employment.
I was made redundant some years ago now when I had a type rating but no experience - I picked myself up. I sort of know how you feel (I had no family to support).
There is so much wrong with professional aviation i am stunned - hence I am making my way out.
I will advertise my job here forthwith....
Mr Ryder - try not to wind yourself up too much, it will only make you ill.
take care
I think we will find looking back through time that the world has always been the same.
A person who pays to fly (as you call it) is not responsible for your current predicament in any way. The hundreds of cadets I work with have not jeopardised my employment.
I was made redundant some years ago now when I had a type rating but no experience - I picked myself up. I sort of know how you feel (I had no family to support).
There is so much wrong with professional aviation i am stunned - hence I am making my way out.
I will advertise my job here forthwith....
Mr Ryder - try not to wind yourself up too much, it will only make you ill.
take care
