Easyjet "holding pool"

[wind check]

I hope that when thing will be a bit better, within few years, pilots at EZY will be better treated

Terms and conditions will always go down in aviation, it has never ever improved and it never will. Even for passengers easyjet is getting worse and worse.


But you are right, easyjet is not a flag company, it's a european low cost, like Ryanair. Low cost means that costs must be LOW.

After all monkeys can fly an A320, there is no need of experienced crew anymore. That's the way it is.

[jackitin]

"After all monkeys can fly an A320, there is no need of experienced crew anymore. That's the way it is."

I can't make up my mind if you are a 737 pilot or Micro soft hero. What an Ar*e. Ask some American people who recently only just got their feet wet leaving their floating aircraft how they feel about your statement. Although a monkey or you in the front? They might choose the monkey.

[kick the tires]

wind check says : But you are right, easyjet is not a flag company, it's a european low cost, like Ryanair. Low cost means that costs must be LOW.

After all monkeys can fly an A320, there is no need of experienced crew anymore. That's the way it is.

I have reproduced wind check's latest post here.

At least we all now know that any further posts from this Microsoft 'pilot' can be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Total loss of any credibility prize goes to wind check. What a prat!

[wind check]

jackitin, at least in america you will hardly find a job on an a320 with less than 3000 hours, but nevertheless, this aircraft is so easy (auto trim, auto thrust, auto everything) that even a 150 hours cadet can operate it more or less safely, and that's what Ryanair and (now) easyjet have understood: let's take cheap chaps to do this easy job.

[Monarch Man]

Whilst not in agreement with the monkey comment, the Airbus is certainly not a difficult aircraft to fly, there are plenty flying around the world these days crewed by individuals who would not have had the aviating aptitude/capacity to operate anything a bit more steam driven.
Easyjet have got cheap crews to operate a relatively simple aircraft (A319).
Please don't try and convince me that any Airbus is particularly complex.

[mikehammer]

Doh we're getting into a whole different discussion here. I fly a steam driven turbo prop and I don't mind admitting that, although of course I'd be up for the challenge, from what I've heard about the airbus it does not sound at all simple. Of course with practice everything becomes easy, but the more practice the merrier. It's when a few failures occur that the men from boys no doubt become distinct. I think what IS all too easy is to sit here in front of a keyboard and say 'I could do that, it'd be no problem.'.

[ItsAjob]

Yes it doesn't seem complex until something goes wrong.

[Flapper3]

Wind check.
Can you tell me how many of these "cheap chaps doing this easy job" are on ryanair's new a320 fleet?

[wind check]

it's all the same with ryanair and the b738, and believe me or not, that's the way it is. Ask the trainers at ryanair, easyjet, ctc what they think about it... I don't think they are scared of signing off hundreds of 150 total hours cheap cadets. And it doesn't make any problem neither for the insurance to let those inexperienced guys.
Remember, in 99.9999999% of the whole flight the autopilot and computers do much better than you.

[ItsAjob]

Until there is a prang and the media get wind of the whole thing

[SW1]

"After all monkeys can fly an A320"

You can send that to the families of the Air France A330 pilots that went down over the Atlantic...

Go into direct law and beyond and it can get quite complicated, and yes you lose the autotrim for all you REAL pilots out there

[wind check]

come on guys, i didn't want to pis.s you off but that's how is our profession. Being a commercial pilot is not a glamorous job anymore. Our passenger buy a cheap ticket and don't give a s.hit of our job, they don't listen to the pilot's PA, and they feel like in a fast bus from A to B, and what they want is to arrive on time and get out of the airport as soon as possible. Airbus and Boeing are very modern airplanes, and they are easy to be operated by a low hour cadet.
Are cadets more dangerous than "ten thousand hours pilots" ? I don't think so. Of course there are in our profesion what we can call bad pilots, but on the other hand good pilots don't exist. Lots of ex pilots of jumbo, concorde, tornado, mirage, f16, or whatever crashed, and lots of cadets never crash
Please don't get me wrong, I am not happy to see the profession going down and down every year, but we have to be realistic for god sake. Airlines companies need to cut the cost, and modern airplanes with cheap monkey pilots is the good compromise of a perfect low cost/ high safety ratio..

Ryanair was yesterday what all the companies will be tomorrow. Easyjet is just taking the same way.

[blackred1443]

whats this 'we' business fool.flying a microsoft airplane doesnt make you a pilot.may i suggest a spell and reality check.

thats the problem with these forums you do get the occasional nutter

please go and play with the traffic now

[wind check]

NB: I am a professional pilot in activity. Please remain polite and don't post anything if you have nothing else to say

[blackred1443]

well how about not posting on a pilot forum explaining how pilots could be replaced by monkeys if being polite concerns you.

what exactly does 'im a professional pilot in activity' mean?your clearly not a pilot having read your previous posts.maybe you should replace 'activity' with 'my imagination'

p.s. renting a pilots uniform from a fancy dress shop and sitting in front of microsoft flight sim does not mean your a pilot.

adios

[BitMoreRightRudder]

You are correct that modern jets are easier to operate than those of previous decades windcheck.

Just to clarify, how many hours do you have on the A320 and 737?

As far as the thread topic goes, NSF has covered it. For the foreseeable future only low hour new guys from CTC will be joining. And in terms of the command list I'm around 250th on the waiting list..... 3-5 years to command from date of joining the list is the estimate, but it is all guesswork. Simply put I can't see ezy hiring on terms and conditions that would be attractive to anyone other than a desperate low hour cadet for years to come.

[blackred1443]

just to be clear thats hours on the airplane not ms flight sim windcheck

its incredible how short sighted airlines can be.while ezy management hold all the aces right now its is only a matter of time till the market takes off again and aggresive expansion starts.

the command list of 250 will quickly be eaten away.its about 40 aircraft i guess.then what happens, ezy end up with a shortage of experience..

back to square one again where guys with time on turbo props and other jets are back in demand

i see ryr are taking alot of aircraft orders this year, aer lingus are on the ropes again, burning money at an alarming rate.the wheel will turn and there will be a shortage, by which time the current management will have buggered off, new ceo comes in and promises this must never happen again.people become one of the pillars once more and we get tastier sandwiches

only a matter of time

[TheBeak]

i see ryr are taking alot of aircraft orders this year

To replace 'older' aircraft though, not to expand the fleet, not by much at least.

[Doug the Head]

Don't shoot the messenger...

Wind check, don't worry too much about the criticism. A lot of these guys probably got their command during the last few years, after spending countless hours in front of a mirror wearing 4 stripes and practicing PA's ("this is your captain speaking..."), so anyone that threatens to pop their bubble is aggressively attacked.

I completely agree with you, flying is not rocket science, so you're right to logically assume that this will translate through to lower T&C's. Just look at the past and you will see the future...

Unfortunately a lot of these "professional" pilots seem to have the situational awareness of a potato when it comes to their own T&C's.

I've been hammering on this point for years, but it seems people still have their heads firmly stuck in the sand.

[TheBeak]

Guys and girls, cut the point scoring and get back on topic. The route to flying an Airbus is a difficult one unless you are cash rich little p.... . Therefore people have taken offence to having the career that they have struggled, fought and worked hard to have belittled. Understandably. I don't think it was meant like that by wind check though so go easy - I am guessing he/she isn't English and has possibly used colloquialisms in the the wrong context.

Back on to what is a quite interesting thead with valued inputs......