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If you are considering living in Poland permanently, raising a family there, retiring there etc etc, then a local contract that includes social security, tax, pension deductions and the like is perhaps the way to go.
If you don't plan any of the above, go the Confair route and arrange your own taxes etc.
Confair are a very nice group of people to deal with. I can say that first hand.
If you don't plan any of the above, go the Confair route and arrange your own taxes etc.
Confair are a very nice group of people to deal with. I can say that first hand.
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If you don't plan any of the above, go the Confair route and arrange your own taxes etc.
I mean the health insurance and pension and unemployment insurance. Any tip is very appreciated!
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Mike Lima,
I would take some advice from a tax accountant in your home country, rather than people on prune!
However, when I worked there, I was never resident in Poland. I therefore paid my taxes and social security in the UK where I am a resident.
Lots of contractors do this.
But, as I say, take advice before deciding.
I would take some advice from a tax accountant in your home country, rather than people on prune!
However, when I worked there, I was never resident in Poland. I therefore paid my taxes and social security in the UK where I am a resident.
Lots of contractors do this.
But, as I say, take advice before deciding.
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Yes, it's true. All "staff" pay tax in Switzerland. Don't get me going on that subject - its a load of nonsense.
Anyway, I'm a realist. I paid about 5% tax to the Swiss and I know that seeing as I lived in UK that the real rate is >30%. Because I like to sleep at night, I paid the rest of my tax dues in UK.
You can do the same with your local taxman. Just don't become resident for tax purposes in any Wizz air base.
As I said: be a realist. Ask a tax accountant what you would be best off doing.
Anyway, I'm a realist. I paid about 5% tax to the Swiss and I know that seeing as I lived in UK that the real rate is >30%. Because I like to sleep at night, I paid the rest of my tax dues in UK.
You can do the same with your local taxman. Just don't become resident for tax purposes in any Wizz air base.
As I said: be a realist. Ask a tax accountant what you would be best off doing.
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FAVETE LINGUIS
Believe me when I say I am absolutely no fan of how much (little?) Wizz pay their people.
But, your over emotional diatribe is about 2 and a bit years late, because on this very thread in 2009, the following was said:
"Mr pilot,
You do need to pay 15000 Euros for the type rating with Wizz air.
Your monthly salary is reduced by 1000 Euros for the first 15 months after you have passed the line check. This is why a co pilot caches net 1400 Euros per month in Wizz Poland during 15 months, however before the line check you have been making peanuts as well due to the training salary.
A Wizz co pilot here in Poland, with no remaining bond to pay, takes home in Polish Zloty on average a month, everything included, between 8000-10000 Zloty. (depending if you're junior or senior co pilot, how many sectors flown etc)
On top of this, what you're saying Mr pilot, yes you need to sign a type rating bond of 15000 Euros over a three year period.
ATR 250"
Had you done your research, you could have saved yourself a trip to the "shyte" (sic) presentation that you had to endure.
What a waste of your time.
But, your over emotional diatribe is about 2 and a bit years late, because on this very thread in 2009, the following was said:
"Mr pilot,
You do need to pay 15000 Euros for the type rating with Wizz air.
Your monthly salary is reduced by 1000 Euros for the first 15 months after you have passed the line check. This is why a co pilot caches net 1400 Euros per month in Wizz Poland during 15 months, however before the line check you have been making peanuts as well due to the training salary.
A Wizz co pilot here in Poland, with no remaining bond to pay, takes home in Polish Zloty on average a month, everything included, between 8000-10000 Zloty. (depending if you're junior or senior co pilot, how many sectors flown etc)
On top of this, what you're saying Mr pilot, yes you need to sign a type rating bond of 15000 Euros over a three year period.
ATR 250"
Had you done your research, you could have saved yourself a trip to the "shyte" (sic) presentation that you had to endure.
What a waste of your time.
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Favete Linguis
I'm glad you saw fit to edit your risible post, which showed just how little effort you put into your research for a job.
I'm also glad that you regard me as a smart alec.
Clearly, I'm a lot smarter than you. I used Wizz for what I needed and left for a far better job.
You, on the other hand, seem a bit of a loser.
Yours,
a smart alec.
I'm also glad that you regard me as a smart alec.
Clearly, I'm a lot smarter than you. I used Wizz for what I needed and left for a far better job.
You, on the other hand, seem a bit of a loser.
Yours,
a smart alec.
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Pailot,
I haven't been there for over a year, but in essence here is an idea:
Roster: Nominally 6 ON/ 4 OFF. This often starts on earlies and ends on lates. Therefore, your days off can be compromised. Not always the case, but seems to happen regularly enough.
They call this a stable roster, but it is, in reality very unstable. Lots of changes and disruption is the norm.
KTW base has regular nightstops in LTN an this does break up the monotony.
Sectors: Well, this is variable. As a Captain, the max I ever did in KTW was 54.
But, in GDN, guys regularly fly 60 sectors as they are far shorter and most days are 4 sector days.
I believe WAW (now Modlin) was historically a great base, with good flying and median numbers of sectors.
KTW can be busy, a mix of 2, 3 and 4 sector days as discussed.
WRO is the smallest base in Poland and sectors are on the low side. A busy month may be 40 sectors, a quiet month may be 20 or so.
There is no fixed amount of anything in Wizz Air.
I did enjoy my first 15 months there, hated the last 9 months and I left feeling drained, worn out and generally miserable. I was fortunate to have a different kind of flying job to move to, so I'm grateful for the Command opportunity at Wizz Air.
What I can say is that I do not consider Wizz Air to be "doable" as a career. It is just too tiring on the line.
Good luck. I hope you enjoy your time there.
I haven't been there for over a year, but in essence here is an idea:
Roster: Nominally 6 ON/ 4 OFF. This often starts on earlies and ends on lates. Therefore, your days off can be compromised. Not always the case, but seems to happen regularly enough.
They call this a stable roster, but it is, in reality very unstable. Lots of changes and disruption is the norm.
KTW base has regular nightstops in LTN an this does break up the monotony.
Sectors: Well, this is variable. As a Captain, the max I ever did in KTW was 54.
But, in GDN, guys regularly fly 60 sectors as they are far shorter and most days are 4 sector days.
I believe WAW (now Modlin) was historically a great base, with good flying and median numbers of sectors.
KTW can be busy, a mix of 2, 3 and 4 sector days as discussed.
WRO is the smallest base in Poland and sectors are on the low side. A busy month may be 40 sectors, a quiet month may be 20 or so.
There is no fixed amount of anything in Wizz Air.
I did enjoy my first 15 months there, hated the last 9 months and I left feeling drained, worn out and generally miserable. I was fortunate to have a different kind of flying job to move to, so I'm grateful for the Command opportunity at Wizz Air.
What I can say is that I do not consider Wizz Air to be "doable" as a career. It is just too tiring on the line.
Good luck. I hope you enjoy your time there.
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B4S,
The management are not at all like Ryanair. They are not bullies, nor do they make any effort to be. At least not in my day they didn't.
And seeing as a couple of guys who I know well, and have a lot of respect for are the Head of Flight Ops and one of the Fleet Managers - I don't think they'd stand for any MOL style bullsh1t from anyone.
The new Storm contract? Ive not seen one, but if you mean paying 15k for a rating and also having 1k a month reduced salary for 15 months then I think thats been the deal for at least a couple of years anyway. Perhaps not through Storm, but certainly direct with Wizz anyhow.
Research would likely prove it to be the truth.
The management are not at all like Ryanair. They are not bullies, nor do they make any effort to be. At least not in my day they didn't.
And seeing as a couple of guys who I know well, and have a lot of respect for are the Head of Flight Ops and one of the Fleet Managers - I don't think they'd stand for any MOL style bullsh1t from anyone.
The new Storm contract? Ive not seen one, but if you mean paying 15k for a rating and also having 1k a month reduced salary for 15 months then I think thats been the deal for at least a couple of years anyway. Perhaps not through Storm, but certainly direct with Wizz anyhow.
Research would likely prove it to be the truth.
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Watch out. It used to be 25000 for SFO and 20000 for FO.
Talking about management. The last time I attended to a pilot meeting in my base with the CEO, he said, literally, that If we donīt like the current T&C, we could leave at any time off to RYR...He said that in front of 25 pilots, after announcing a massive salary cut . After 4 years serving them, I resigned.
Good luck with your decision
Talking about management. The last time I attended to a pilot meeting in my base with the CEO, he said, literally, that If we donīt like the current T&C, we could leave at any time off to RYR...He said that in front of 25 pilots, after announcing a massive salary cut . After 4 years serving them, I resigned.
Good luck with your decision
Last edited by IAEdude; 10th July 2012 at 20:28.
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The massive salary cut that IAE dude refers to was actually: the removal of the accommodation allowance for those based in Bucharest.
Can't remember exactly what the figure was, but about 1200 a month springs to mind.
No other base received such an allowance. And costs of accommodation had dropped significantly in Bucharest in the preceding couple of years.
True, Bucharest is a bit of a dump in some people's eyes and therefore they justified the extra payment.
Mind you, if it were dumps that allowed for extra payment, Katowice would have received double the amount.
So, it wasn't really a massive pay cut - rather an unrequested and unpopular alignment with every other Wizz Air base.
Can't remember exactly what the figure was, but about 1200 a month springs to mind.
No other base received such an allowance. And costs of accommodation had dropped significantly in Bucharest in the preceding couple of years.
True, Bucharest is a bit of a dump in some people's eyes and therefore they justified the extra payment.
Mind you, if it were dumps that allowed for extra payment, Katowice would have received double the amount.
So, it wasn't really a massive pay cut - rather an unrequested and unpopular alignment with every other Wizz Air base.
