Lo Co? will it fail?
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Poor people knew their place and went by bus.
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It's starting, FR just posted a full year loss of 169 million euros (the first since 20 years), and revised it's estimate for next year from 300 million profit to 200 million. Guess the Aer Lingus adventure wasn't such a good move after all... Too many aircraft, can't sell them etc etc.
And still MOL keeps bragging on about buying Lufthansa. Also, MOL hopes to slash fares 10 to 20% to maintain passenger traffic. I wonder how on earth is he going to achieve that...
I just hope FR doesn't bring the whole low cost model down with them.
And still MOL keeps bragging on about buying Lufthansa. Also, MOL hopes to slash fares 10 to 20% to maintain passenger traffic. I wonder how on earth is he going to achieve that...
I just hope FR doesn't bring the whole low cost model down with them.
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Guess the Aer Lingus adventure wasn't such a good move after all...
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and the gullible pilots won't mind getting shafted in flying max hours for less pay, there will always be Lo Cost/Class Aviation.
So the thousands of very professional UK pilots flying for EZY, Ryan, Baby, etc are "gullible and don't mind getting shafted"? Anything else you would like to add from your pedestal? Is working for BA in the UK, Air France in France, etc. the ONLY option in your eyes? My pay is good, I fly 700 hours a year and I really enjoy 5-4-5-3.
What do you want to see? Communism? All airlines must pay the same exact salary, offer the same benefits and fly their crews the same amount of hours? Should an EZY TRE with 25 years jet experience (not me, btw) apply to BA to go back to the right seat for 15 years in order to lose is shameful "shafted and gullible status"?
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What RYR, EZY and the other LoCos are trying to do is turn air travel into a commodity business. Base the price on supply and demand.
An unfortunate side effect from this is that crews are aslo being treated as a commodity by those airlines.
An unfortunate side effect from this is that crews are aslo being treated as a commodity by those airlines.
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So the thousands of very professional UK pilots flying for EZY, Ryan, Baby, etc are "gullible and don't mind getting shafted"?
LoCo pilots must be the only ones that are actually proud to work maximum hours, pay for type ratings and get no benefits, private health care or pension to speak of and yet they are actually gullible enough to believe they're working for a career airline. They are even so gullible that they resist any positive momentum to change these mediocre T&C's for the better, firmly believing the propaganda that it will bankrupt the company. Hahaha!
So yes, gullible indeed!
What do you want to see? Communism? All airlines must pay the same exact salary, offer the same benefits and fly their crews the same amount of hours?
And you think you will, long term, get a decent salary package for offering such a product? Gullible!
What RYR, EZY and the other LoCos are trying to do is turn air travel into a commodity business. Base the price on supply and demand.
An unfortunate side effect from this is that crews are aslo being treated as a commodity by those airline
An unfortunate side effect from this is that crews are aslo being treated as a commodity by those airline
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I was going to give an extensive reply when I got to the bit about Lo-co being the "communism of aviation"... It so illogical and out of touch with reality there's not point arguing I'm afraid!
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Well, you're the one who brought communism into it, not me.
I never ever said anything about all pilots having to earn equal wages or having to have equal T&C's.
My only point is that a lot of LoCo pilots allow themselves to be exploited and are thus dragging the entire industry down.
I never ever said anything about all pilots having to earn equal wages or having to have equal T&C's.
My only point is that a lot of LoCo pilots allow themselves to be exploited and are thus dragging the entire industry down.
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A recent attempt to book flights from Spain to Germany and Portugal favoured Lufthansa and TAP versus Easy/ Air Berlin and Ryanair. . . . . . Bu u u u u t, the prices offered by LH &TAP would NEVER have existed without the loco's pushing them down. I remember well in the mid 90's whilst working on a contract with no concessionary travel , having the choice of paying the equivalent of 500e for a return from CDG - BCN with Air Frog, or paying 500e return with Iberia, times have really changed, and unless you really book at the very last minute, or insist on travelling Fri night to Sun night you would now be unlucky 16 years later to pay any more than 150e (as long as you can accept BVA as being Paris, & GRO as being BCN . . .ish )
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Shame so many others don't. 
