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Old 21st Apr 2009, 11:38
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ooh - the list is endless.

I count myself fortunate that I've had a 'proper' career so have done 15 years of office politics, M25 rush hour every day, same colleages every day, long term stress, same view, same food, same crap every day. So I appreciate, I mean REALLY appreciate this wonderful new career I've got. It sure beats working for a living!

Things that spring to mind. Me leaving passport and ID in hotel room- getting all stressed whilst I wait for hotel to deliver to airport in taxi and rest of crew go to aircraft. I get to aircraft (eventually!) to find that senior cabin crew has gone to coffee shop in terminal bought me a large black americano (my favorite) and put it in my cupholder in the flight deck - very thoughtful gesture that de-stressed me straight away!

Seeing the sun above an overcast after a rainy drive to work.

Being allowed to fly a plane every time I go to work!

spending more time with my family than my old career.

Being an inspiration to my kids about following your dreams and ambitions

Visiting parts of the world that i'd never go to otherwise.

Making great friends and having great comradeship downroute.

room parties.

And lots of other things I can't remember right now!
Is it the best job in the world? probably not, but its pretty darned close!

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Old 21st Apr 2009, 13:04
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What is wrong with paying 100 000 E for a proper Flightschool program. I paid almost 100 000 E for my license and it gave me the opertunity to go to KLM were I can pay back my loan in 5 years!

Other guys I know went to Oxford paid 100 000 E and got hired afterwards at BA.

We did not get the job because we paid 100 000 k. Everyone that passes this though selection gets a loan from a bank. It was a career choice that paid out well for most of us.

Most guys I know who went to "cheap" Flightschool or did it the modular way did not find a good job and have shitty careers! These are the guys end up in pay to fly sheme's.....
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 13:26
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Being an inspiration to my kids about following your dreams and ambitions

I've been having a rough time recently with work, family, finances and fitting in studies. But that was the "pick me up" I needed.

So many sacrifices...gosh why do we do this. Well its for those reasons you mentioned.

or did it the modular way did not find a good job and have careers!

Cheers Beafis. You brought me down again

This is the reason I don't come on PPRuNe as much as I used to
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 15:23
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Driving to the airport which usually ends up being in the opposite direction to the morning / evening rush...

Pushing them power levers into the detent...

Breaking cloud tops...

Disconnecting the autopilot and hand flying a visual approach on a quiet summers evening...

Home into your own bed knowing you get to do it all again tomorrow...
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 16:55
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You must obviously believe in the class system as well, as only smart people can afford posh schools therefore they deserve the posh spots rather than working hard to get rewards far greater. I have done the modular system and worked for the posh airline and others as well and the have found quality and crap.

I enjoy looking down at the little people from my high chair !!
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 17:39
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I still love everything after the 'all doors in flight' announcement or after the loadie came up to say 'doors closed ' !

Anyhow, the list of things that are not so pleasant these days is unfortunately picking up fairly quick.
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 18:15
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Most guys I know who went to "cheap" Flightschool or did it the modular way did not find a good job and have shitty careers! These are the guys end up in pay to fly sheme's.....
getting off topic and i don't want to turn this positive thread into a negative rant but...

I did it the 'cheap' way, modular, part time, alongside my other career, so i didn't give up my old job until I had a job offer - which was straight after flight school thanks to a recomendation from the school to one of their contacts (see - this doesn't only happen at oxford!)
I fly for a great small airline which gets me loads of great experience, and I love it.
Oh, yeah, and I'm in the BA hold pool - Oh golly gosh, a modular boy going to BA, whatever next. See that can happen too if you didn't go to Oxford.

Anyoo - another thing I love. Sitting in the garden this afternoon looking up at an airliner going over - 5 years ago I looked up and though "if only...I wish", now I look up and think "cool, my turn on friday...."
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 18:52
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What a crap post Beafis, really hope most aren't like you on an intergrated course. Where I am from they would tell you to GTF (sure you can work that out)
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 19:40
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its great knowing tossers like beafis are a minority in this industry.thats my favourite part
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 21:08
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Like 757 driver said, I also had a 'Normal' job for almost 18 years before I began to fly.
Early morning mist sitting in the Valleys approaching Rome, dirty grey weather on the ground with sunshine and sunglasses 5 minutes after TO, beautiful, beautiful cabin crew, all coupled with a lifetimes ambition fulfilled. Words cannot describe that feeling.
Whats not to like, bring it on !
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 22:10
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Mondeoman,

Early morning mist sitting in the Valleys approaching Rome, dirty grey weather on the ground with sunshine and sunglasses 5 minutes after TO, beautiful, beautiful cabin crew, all coupled with a lifetimes ambition fulfilled. Words cannot describe that feeling.
Whats not to like, bring it on
I think must have you cut and paste this crap from your FTOs brochure
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 23:05
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hey Mona, guess what - some of us like this job. In fact EVERY captain I have flown with loves it and wouldn't change it for the world.
So why don't you bugger off and do something else and let someone who would appreciate it have your job.
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Old 21st Apr 2009, 23:37
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Angel What I like about this job

Getting paid to do something I love.
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 09:54
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757-driver

thanks for coming back and picking me up again! Its tough to juggle finances, wife, kids and studies!!! only to hear from a like beafis that after all this, I will end up with a "shitty" career.

Whilst I know it isn't true, it is something you certainly don't want to read. Hence why its been a while since I posted on PPRuNe yesterday.Too much negativity.

how old were you (if it isnt a rude question) when you first started ppl?
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 09:59
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Its sad really,

The OP started the thread for an uplifting read and it seems that some people thought we were having too much of a good time so they had to come and put the downers on it by having a dig . No wonder PPRuNe has become such a battlefield of late.......

Carry on ladies and gents great to hear your stories!!

I recieved the job offer at 21

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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 10:25
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Mach086,

Please read my post again... I said; "The guys I know" ..... I don't say that all those who get their license via het modular way have shitty careers. I know as well that's not true.... Any way.. In my country none of the airlines hire modular guys..... Could be different in the rest of europe.

Anyway, I notice al lot of negativity on this forum against "integrated" students who enter company's with less then 200 hours TT.

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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 10:26
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Beafis

Beafis,

That was uncalled for and has angered I'm sure many people on this forum. This is a pleasant post about good things in Aviation.
I personally was very lucky and was sponsored through training by an airline whom put me through the Modular Route at a less well recognised school. The airline owned their own FTO and chose to operate a modular scheme. Does that make me less of a Pilot. I did receive further training from the airline before employment. I also didn't go straight onto a shiney jet. However just because I did the Modular route the schools and the airlines further training had an excellent reputation for producing very very competant all round flyers. Every single person I know that went through the scheme has performed above average in furture careers. The fact we all did Modular courses has not stopped us now we are mostly Captains with other carriers. I am speaking for my past peers here. We are all glad we didn't go straight to a large airline and we actually learnt to fly first in our younger years. Please Don't get me started on what myself and others think of 200hr guys flying with us in the right hand seat.

Your words are quite evident to the fact you are obviously new to aviation as most people I work with do not have your attitude and that is what I like about this job. The fact that MOST people Beafis are friendly professional people who respect the different avenues of aviation and respect their colleagues for the different routes they took to get to where they are today. This may not be flying the line for a Major Carrier as there are many many different styles to this profession.

My Favourite parts

Cleaning Planes and Mowing the lawns whilst laughing my head off with my fellow cadet pilots (these jobs were mandatory through training).

Knowing I worked bloody hard to get where I am and have worked in most departments of the business (handling agents, ops, commercial, maintenance) so can appreciate everyones role.

Flying single crew at night, 30 kts cross wind to minima No Autopilot and feeling professionally competant to do so.

Seeing the Northern Lights when flying back from Lapland.

Doing a PA at the start of the day (once I finally did get onto big shiney jets)

Teaching FO's little pointers and seeing them improve.

Learning from my seniors!

The banter with the crew as we head off on a trip knowing we are going somewhere hot and sunny for a few days.

The views. Simply amazing.

Always seeing the sun.

The feeling that you see parts of the day in defferent ways to the folks on the ground.

The time off.

The fact I don't consider this work!

The list is endless but mostly it has to be the people I get to work with and doing what I love.

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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 11:11
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Handflown and others,

Don't get me wrong here. I did not start at the company I am presently working for. Although I did an integrated course and got a job inmediately after graduating I already worked for 2 other foreign companies before. I also did not start on one of the shiny jets but I do know what happens in other companies.....

I paid for my "posh" integrated course myself ( loan ) and worked hard to achieve my goals. I did not pay for my typerating or any other self sponsored pay to fly program... Although these integrated courses are very expensive, the risk you take is smaller then doing a modular course. Many schools have funds that pay back your loan if you are unable to find a job in a specific timeframe. These funds allow banks to provide these 100 000 E loans....

The only thing I wanted to make clear is that I noticed that the modular students I know have a harder time finding a job! All the 4 guys I know who never found a job as a pilot after many years and gave up did modular courses.... Although the exams are the same I think that if you do a modular course you decreases your options in finding a job compaired to doing a integrated course. I know it's not fair!!. Many things in this industry are not fair..
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Old 22nd Apr 2009, 11:19
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Integrated VS Modular

Beafis,

This is not the place for the integrated vs modular debate which has been done to death. If you want to have that discussion see the wannabee forums.

As for this:

"I think that if you do a modular course you decreases your options in finding a job compaired to doing a integrated course"

I myself did an integrated course and I dont belive the above to be true at all. Then again its your opinion so go battle it out in the wanabe forums

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Well said Nick1. Back to the point on hand.

What I love about this job. Just had another thought. I did 2 sectors this morning and the wx was crystal clear and smooth throughout. I'm looking out my window now and it is still sunny and clear and will be like that tomorrow.

All I can think is I can't wait to go flying tomorrow again.

You can put a price on that feeling.
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