Robert Mugabe "PB" in Ryanair gets Pilots to Vote YES
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Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?
Simple answer. Lead by pilots for pilots.
Its a hard ask to expect young pilots to sign up to your worthless organisation when they're up to their nostrils in debt. Isn't it interesting that just when things start to look good, with a great job and loads of money, in comes the unsavoury, shadowy minnions of the night.
That you have no chance of persuading experienced operators to join your British Airways union seems to have been eclipsed by your focus on the new boys. Well good luck with that, chum, but I think you'll find they're not as dumb as you think they are.
Even the way you're going about it speaks to the squalor of unions past. "Don't be afraid, lads, they'll never know its you, just sign the bloody thing, give us your £1000 a year, and we'll do the rest."
Pish.
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blinding use of the latin language to mask the truth
too late camel,this wagon is rolling and your propaganda on here is not going to stop it.the good thing about this petition is that there is no expiry date so we can take our sweet good time to effect change.a genius stroke,i think.get used to squirming and let you with your fellow trogs who post under the lhc username keep up the good work.you are the best recruitment tool we have.idiot.
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LHC, you are about twenty years out of date, but then we know that already. Even when I was on the PLC in the 80s the number of BA pilots in BALPA was far less than those working for other airlines.
You believe in too many urban myths, Monarch=Mafia, BA domination of BALPa and so on.
You are a sad individual, really.
btw, do you really believe the Mafia run Monarch?
You believe in too many urban myths, Monarch=Mafia, BA domination of BALPa and so on.
You are a sad individual, really.
btw, do you really believe the Mafia run Monarch?
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Ah, Didimus old thing. Thought I caught a whiff of bowel. Funny how you and Rubik, two of the biggest windbags on your sad, unwatched, pointless website at REPA should drop by to lend a hand to the BALPA recruiting bandwagon.
But wait, is this the same Rubik who wrote on Feb 16th:
And the always nasty Dim Reaper, who calls himself Didimus elsewhere. Now then, what was it you had to say on Feb 14th? Oh, yes thats right...
Gosh! But wait, there's more!
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Ouch! And my personal favourite...
Grumpy little chap, isn't he! Can it be the writers of these broadsides against the useless BA pilot's union can be the self-same chaps now leading the charge for BALPA membership? Surely not!
Well, if there's any further proof needed of the sort of twisted, inconsistent mendacity that BALPA like to decorate their organisation with, you need look no further that Didimus/Dim Reaper and Rubik101. One minute you're tilting at the BALPA windmills like some sort of Don Quixote on mood stabilisers, and the next, you're leading the recruitment drive!
No wonder BALPA are against identity cards. With so many personalities to choose from within each of their members, the administration would be a nightmare! Give it up, boys, the jig is up.
But wait, is this the same Rubik who wrote on Feb 16th:
I joined BALPA last September and have yet to get even so much as an e-mail from them, let alone a membership card or magazine.
BALPA are happy to taker my money but have shown little interest in me or Ryanair, as far as I can see. When are the airport meetings, when will we know if we have enough members to represent the pilot body, when will the ballot occur ?
When will BALPA let the world know that protecting Ryanair pilots should be their number ONE prority. Where We go this week, the rest will follow in the weeks to come.
If nothing happens in the next few months, least of all a membership card, I will leave the Union and the pilots can go hang.
I have the nasty feeling that REPA was set up by FR management to divide the pilots and to give them the misguided idea that they had a forum to unite them against the management. In fact, it has done exactly what it was designed to do, divided and conquered the fragmented pilots.
The talk about unity means nothing if no-one is in charge. I am uniting with whom, might I ask? We can be as united as much as is possible but unless someone steps up to the plate and delivers the ultimatum to FR bosses, then just what are we members of? A pointless, ineffectual, mutual moaning society?
REPA, If you, whoever you are, are not willing to lead, then close the site and leave us to turn to BALPA to try to get at least something done.
BALPA are happy to taker my money but have shown little interest in me or Ryanair, as far as I can see. When are the airport meetings, when will we know if we have enough members to represent the pilot body, when will the ballot occur ?
When will BALPA let the world know that protecting Ryanair pilots should be their number ONE prority. Where We go this week, the rest will follow in the weeks to come.
If nothing happens in the next few months, least of all a membership card, I will leave the Union and the pilots can go hang.
I have the nasty feeling that REPA was set up by FR management to divide the pilots and to give them the misguided idea that they had a forum to unite them against the management. In fact, it has done exactly what it was designed to do, divided and conquered the fragmented pilots.
The talk about unity means nothing if no-one is in charge. I am uniting with whom, might I ask? We can be as united as much as is possible but unless someone steps up to the plate and delivers the ultimatum to FR bosses, then just what are we members of? A pointless, ineffectual, mutual moaning society?
REPA, If you, whoever you are, are not willing to lead, then close the site and leave us to turn to BALPA to try to get at least something done.
I Hate to admit it but this website has turned into the biggest load of b*ll*cks i have been associated with.no moderators present,no leadership from ialpa/balpa,absolute bull**** in the threads.if after all this time ialpa/balpa have not come up with a plan,then it is safe to say that there will be no plan and this website is now just a farce.for a website that was set up for pilot welfare and to promote unity,it is a joke.i am pissed off with this bull****.where is the campaign,where is the information,the coordinated strategy.i would be embarassed to let an outsider access to this website.shut it down and that jokey office in stn also.at least turn off the heating and website access.then it is possible that the balpa numbnuts there might actually get out and meet some ryanair pilots.
THIS WEBSITE IS A JOKE!!!
THIS WEBSITE IS A JOKE!!!
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ll due respect but i have heard this argument,over and over.the truth is nobody knows anything and we are not moving forward,quite the contrary.we continue to lose good guys to other airlines.a lot happening behind the scenes has been going on for a long time now and we are no nearer to putting the most basic of foundations in place.i would love to believe that we are making progress but in the absence of evidence,i have now to assume that we are not going anywhere.when balpa promise me a recognition campaign and continue to take my money.i would be a fool to continue to believe that they will ever do any proactive.sitting in an office does not cut it for me anymore.when the balpa moderator reads this,let he be under no illusion,i will lead a mass resignation from balpa in the coming months.they are simply not doing anywhere near enough.before i hear about calling them or visiting their office.it has all been done to no avail.they are the ones who should be calling us.balpa like ryanair may assume we are fools,that will cost them!!!
how can one man be moderator and run himself ragged.this individual is in my opinion taking too many risks with his long term health and sanity.where are balpa with their huge reserves and organisation?sitting in some ivory tower at stn airport.where is the contact with real pilots?where is the plan?where are the balpa personnel?i haven't seen any of them.simple as pie,balpa.**** or get off the pot.make use of the subs or lose them!!!the choice is yours.will anyone in authority from balpa come on here to answer the questions?will they front up a meeting?will they start facilitating?hasn't happened so far.
answer my bloody questions and stop hiding behind the pilots!!!
as for martyrs,forget it .no surer way for the pilots to disappear into the ether.******* spineless bastards!
answer my bloody questions and stop hiding behind the pilots!!!
as for martyrs,forget it .no surer way for the pilots to disappear into the ether.******* spineless bastards!
Well, if there's any further proof needed of the sort of twisted, inconsistent mendacity that BALPA like to decorate their organisation with, you need look no further that Didimus/Dim Reaper and Rubik101. One minute you're tilting at the BALPA windmills like some sort of Don Quixote on mood stabilisers, and the next, you're leading the recruitment drive!
No wonder BALPA are against identity cards. With so many personalities to choose from within each of their members, the administration would be a nightmare! Give it up, boys, the jig is up.
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Leo, i have been following this thread and your posts for quite some time now.... I was always "the silent one"... A lurker if you must.
But may i just say: you are a very, very sad, petty little man who hates everyone and everything (get a life, i say!
). Never ever have i come across such a little bar steward like you...
By the way, you are not making a very good impression with your Latin quotes. Ahh, isn't Googoes copy/paste a bless?
I am a graduate in English, Latin, French, Spanish, Italian and German. I am not bragging, i am simply telling you that i could tell you to Foxtrot Oscar in about 7 languages without any effort...
What exactly are you trying to prove? That you're better/smarter than the rest of the posters? Good luck with that dears, so far you have been the "weakest link" one too many occasions.
Go back to your cave, light up the fire and think about your idiocy.
(Or you'd like me to translate that in Latin for you?)
Gosh, i knew there were some seriously mentally challenged idiots on this planet, i just never knew they were in such close proximity to me.
But may i just say: you are a very, very sad, petty little man who hates everyone and everything (get a life, i say!
). Never ever have i come across such a little bar steward like you...By the way, you are not making a very good impression with your Latin quotes. Ahh, isn't Googoes copy/paste a bless?
I am a graduate in English, Latin, French, Spanish, Italian and German. I am not bragging, i am simply telling you that i could tell you to Foxtrot Oscar in about 7 languages without any effort...
What exactly are you trying to prove? That you're better/smarter than the rest of the posters? Good luck with that dears, so far you have been the "weakest link" one too many occasions.
Go back to your cave, light up the fire and think about your idiocy.
(Or you'd like me to translate that in Latin for you?)
Gosh, i knew there were some seriously mentally challenged idiots on this planet, i just never knew they were in such close proximity to me.
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But he has got you rattled Mr Camel.
For all those a little unsure about Balpa, have a look at BALPA - Home. If nothing else sign up and take advantage of the other services they offer.
Do not believe what LHC quotes as the cost of membership.
Year 1 = 0.5%
Year 2 = 0.75%
Year 3 = 1%
Tax relief is 67 %
I pay 15 pounds a month for full membership = just under 200 pounds for the year.
What will be the camels next trick after latin?
BALPA - Membership
For all those a little unsure about Balpa, have a look at BALPA - Home. If nothing else sign up and take advantage of the other services they offer.
Do not believe what LHC quotes as the cost of membership.
Year 1 = 0.5%
Year 2 = 0.75%
Year 3 = 1%
Tax relief is 67 %
I pay 15 pounds a month for full membership = just under 200 pounds for the year.
What will be the camels next trick after latin?
BALPA - Membership
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Not that it matters but I work for Ryanair and am quite happy there so I was not criticising him for that - merely his hypocrisy as I see it. The type of hypocrisy that we are all guilty of and the type of hypocrisy that has allowed the flying 'profession' to reach its current quite pathetic state.
Why do people like him (very experienced) and very inexperienced pilots continue to join Ryanair? Surely everyone knows how abominably bad it is?
It must be an indication of our low intelligence that Ryanair continues to attract more than enough pilots of all experience levels. Lemmings to the cliff surely?
Or maybe it has enough redeeming features to keep the vast majority happy enough that if they have a look around they realise with a sickening dread that this is the best deal in town?
Balpa? Seriously-don't make me laugh (or cry)!
So please do not criticise people for where they are employed as it serves no purpose.
Why do people like him (very experienced) and very inexperienced pilots continue to join Ryanair? Surely everyone knows how abominably bad it is?
It must be an indication of our low intelligence that Ryanair continues to attract more than enough pilots of all experience levels. Lemmings to the cliff surely?
Or maybe it has enough redeeming features to keep the vast majority happy enough that if they have a look around they realise with a sickening dread that this is the best deal in town?
Balpa? Seriously-don't make me laugh (or cry)!
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LHC, you forgot to mention that the year in question was 2008, not as you implied, a few weeks ago. A lot can and did happen in 14 months!
Your incandescent ranting make less sense now that they did when I first read them two years ago, both here and on REPA.
Not that it's anyones business, but as you seem interested, Stan:
I joined Ryanair because at the time it was the only job on offer. I had previously retired/changed career when unforeseen circumstances meant I needed an income.
Needs must when the Devil drives.
Your incandescent ranting make less sense now that they did when I first read them two years ago, both here and on REPA.
Not that it's anyones business, but as you seem interested, Stan:
I joined Ryanair because at the time it was the only job on offer. I had previously retired/changed career when unforeseen circumstances meant I needed an income.
Needs must when the Devil drives.
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I'm really not interested in your personal business.
You should be grateful for Ryanair if it was the only job on offer? If I worked for a company I despised I would leave asap!
I'm really not interested in your personal business.
You should be grateful for Ryanair if it was the only job on offer? If I worked for a company I despised I would leave asap!
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Stan, you are interested in my business since you asked the question.
Why do people like him (very experienced) and very inexperienced pilots continue to join Ryanair? Surely everyone knows how abominably bad it is?
I did know, I was grateful and I did leave asap.
Maybe you just didn't like the answer so try to dismiss it as irrelevant with the tone of your post.
If you ask a question then be prepared for an answer.
Why do people like him (very experienced) and very inexperienced pilots continue to join Ryanair? Surely everyone knows how abominably bad it is?
I did know, I was grateful and I did leave asap.
Maybe you just didn't like the answer so try to dismiss it as irrelevant with the tone of your post.
If you ask a question then be prepared for an answer.
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Leo - "£1000 per year" ?............
I think not. Myself ? RYR Capt and 15 years a BALPA member, and my union subs come to less than £400 per year (and tax deductible too !)
You have spent too much time listening to DOB's rhetoric and rather simplistic calculations regarding £100,000 a year Captain's salaries in RYR .....
Remember its only 1% of basic salary, and that's a lot less than £1000.
Smoke and mirrors again, you'll have to do better ......
I think not. Myself ? RYR Capt and 15 years a BALPA member, and my union subs come to less than £400 per year (and tax deductible too !)
You have spent too much time listening to DOB's rhetoric and rather simplistic calculations regarding £100,000 a year Captain's salaries in RYR .....
Remember its only 1% of basic salary, and that's a lot less than £1000.
Smoke and mirrors again, you'll have to do better ......
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The pro and con BALPA / IALPA argument can run until we all retire and there will always those who are rabidly pro union, and those in the diametrically opposite corner: what is, nevertheless indisputable, is a common concern for our employment security and the contempt with which we, the fee earners, are held by Ryanair management.
The job is one of the best, if not the best in the business: we have new aircraft, our colleagues on the waterfront are first rate, we get home every night, have stable rosters and get paid well.
The gaping hole in all of this is the absolute contempt the managers display towards contractual and other agreements.
With even a small swing towards a more discursive management style and the inclusion of a soupcon of negotiation people would, probably, be happier: add in a a few changes to the "negotiated" agreement and a more realistic productivity / performance based reward system and it would be almost ideal.
Regrettably, until the man at the top moves on it is unlikely that we will see any change in the culture: the options are to shut up and take the baseball bat or move on. Neither BALPA or IALPA or any other ALPA recognition will, in the short term, remedy this.
The job is one of the best, if not the best in the business: we have new aircraft, our colleagues on the waterfront are first rate, we get home every night, have stable rosters and get paid well.
The gaping hole in all of this is the absolute contempt the managers display towards contractual and other agreements.
With even a small swing towards a more discursive management style and the inclusion of a soupcon of negotiation people would, probably, be happier: add in a a few changes to the "negotiated" agreement and a more realistic productivity / performance based reward system and it would be almost ideal.
Regrettably, until the man at the top moves on it is unlikely that we will see any change in the culture: the options are to shut up and take the baseball bat or move on. Neither BALPA or IALPA or any other ALPA recognition will, in the short term, remedy this.
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Haven't looked in on Pprune for a while but remember Leo's rantings before. He either is MOL or a very close lackey. Nevertheless I'm glad to see that he has arisen, as it shows that MOL/DOB/EW are very worried about BALPA initiative. I note that he must be doing a lot of research the way he was able to dig up extensive historic postings from REPA and Pprune members. It has also come to the attention of FR pilots that abusive unsigned memos have started to appear in pilot pigeon holes in FR bases attacking BALPA, IALPA and individuals prepared to question Ryanair abuses. This is all very good news as it shows they're rattled! Lets keep it up, starting with the petition.
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The straw that broke the camel's back.
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Wow that is an interesting question isn't it. I have no feelings about you if that is what you are asking Leo. I just know you lack solid arguments hence your move onto scare mongering and attacking individual posters. The truth is you can not hide from these arguments as they are real and valid arguments for RYR pilots.
I take it from this statement that you acknowledge that the arguments do stand for themselves.
Ryanair pilots are leading this campaign for Dignity and Respect. Ryanair pilots are leading this for all Ryanair pilots no matter what your contract status Brookfield or Ryanair employee contract. Pilots lead this for pilots and their long term future.
BALPA is led by pilots for pilots. The National Executive Council (NEC) is made up from a wide variety of pilots. It is made up of 12 BALPA Company Council member pilots that lead BALPA. Five different airlines are represented on the Council and one member who is a helicopter pilot representing that side of the business. The airlines and companies who these Council members work for are as follows: Monarch, Thompson, Bristow helicopters, British Airways, Thomas Cook and finally Easyjet. Eight out of the twelve members of the NEC are non BA.
It seems your argument once again that BALPA is:
is complete and utter nonsense. Your argument once again falls down. 
Young pilots are the people that realise the most what threat Ryanair management are to themselves by the continual contract erosion and erosion in terms and conditions. It is after all this demographic of pilots that have to work in the industry for the next 30-40 years. Imagine what state T+C's will be in the future if RYR management is left to destroy pilot’s contracts without redress? 
These individual young pilots are not on loads of money and you know this. You try making your flying loan repayments after 30 hrs flying in a month at the same time as feeding yourself or trying to put yourself up at your own cost in CIA. Do you know how expensive Rome is??
Experienced operators? You mean experienced Airline Pilots I take it? The older demographic are the pilots that lost the most from the previous 2000 agreement. The unilateral removal of the Final Salary pension for example. The Removal of uniforms, water onboard, Car Parks, Medicals and the reduction of wages across the board etc while also suffering to nine years of Inflation and RPI at around 3.5% per annum. An overall reduction of about 30%- 35% of your take home pay. Do you mean this demographic of pilots? Because this group lost out hugely in 2004 and they know all to well how RYR management operate when they feel like it. Chip chip chip away at the pilots is how to do it with an ever decreasing voice to make representation to management over their issues and reduction in terms. I think these are the pilots that are the first to say NO. Enough is enough. 
Lastly I don't know where you got £1000 per year in BALPA subs from? Maybe it was the anti BALPA propaganda put about Crewrooms that were produced from RYR with possible Union Busting consultancy advice on the production of such stupidity. Try around £500 per annum which 66% is Tax Deductible due to BALPA being a professional association. 0.5% of basic first year, 0.75% of basic only in your second and then 1% after.
Lets stick to the facts which you have the sum total of none!
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Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?
Partial Credit, forty thieves
Ryanair pilots are leading this campaign for Dignity and Respect. Ryanair pilots are leading this for all Ryanair pilots no matter what your contract status Brookfield or Ryanair employee contract. Pilots lead this for pilots and their long term future.
BALPA is led by pilots for pilots. The National Executive Council (NEC) is made up from a wide variety of pilots. It is made up of 12 BALPA Company Council member pilots that lead BALPA. Five different airlines are represented on the Council and one member who is a helicopter pilot representing that side of the business. The airlines and companies who these Council members work for are as follows: Monarch, Thompson, Bristow helicopters, British Airways, Thomas Cook and finally Easyjet. Eight out of the twelve members of the NEC are non BA.
It seems your argument once again that BALPA is:
lead by British Airways pilots, for British Airways pilots
Its a hard ask to expect young pilots to sign up to your worthless organisation when they're up to their nostrils in debt. Isn't it interesting that just when things start to look good, with a great job and loads of money, in comes the unsavoury, shadowy minnions of the night.
These individual young pilots are not on loads of money and you know this. You try making your flying loan repayments after 30 hrs flying in a month at the same time as feeding yourself or trying to put yourself up at your own cost in CIA. Do you know how expensive Rome is??
That you have no chance of persuading experienced operators to join your British Airways union seems to have been eclipsed by your focus on the new boys. Well good luck with that, chum, but I think you'll find they're not as dumb as you think they are
Lastly I don't know where you got £1000 per year in BALPA subs from? Maybe it was the anti BALPA propaganda put about Crewrooms that were produced from RYR with possible Union Busting consultancy advice on the production of such stupidity. Try around £500 per annum which 66% is Tax Deductible due to BALPA being a professional association. 0.5% of basic first year, 0.75% of basic only in your second and then 1% after.
Lets stick to the facts which you have the sum total of none!
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Spot on alibaba, the young guys are the ones who are making a stand, against all (management's) odds. Think about it, fresh out of line training, forced onto whatever contract RYR gives them (ie 85% BRK), up to here in debt, forced for most of them on 2 closely followed months without work (and therefore without pay), told by D.D. "to be happy to have a job, don't like it, go to China", at the mercy of a (J.D.-type) manager's bad day at the office, yet they all are openly supporting this campaign. Head up. Now I say to those guys: well done, you are making us proud! As for the more experienced guys, they too for a very large majority have come to the conclusion that recognition has to happen now. We all know how much we have lost in the last 5 years compared to the other companies.
It is not difficult to see what RYR is trying to do: rip off the new guys with the type rating (let's face it, making at least 50% of its price in profit), put him on BRK and just use him as much or as little as it pleases. No stability for the employee (sorry contractor), full benefit for RYR. In fact the more pilots, the more profits made on T.R. and even more flexibility for rostering (at no cost). Win - Win for Molly! We'll end up competing for the available hours!
But remember this about what's happening: the campaign for recognition is a movement from the pilots for the pilots and it is gathering overwhelming support.
Please, for those who haven't yet done it, visit:
BALPA - Home
Spot on alibaba, the young guys are the ones who are making a stand, against all (management's) odds. Think about it, fresh out of line training, forced onto whatever contract RYR gives them (ie 85% BRK), up to here in debt, forced for most of them on 2 closely followed months without work (and therefore without pay), told by D.D. "to be happy to have a job, don't like it, go to China", at the mercy of a (J.D.-type) manager's bad day at the office, yet they all are openly supporting this campaign. Head up. Now I say to those guys: well done, you are making us proud! As for the more experienced guys, they too for a very large majority have come to the conclusion that recognition has to happen now. We all know how much we have lost in the last 5 years compared to the other companies.
It is not difficult to see what RYR is trying to do: rip off the new guys with the type rating (let's face it, making at least 50% of its price in profit), put him on BRK and just use him as much or as little as it pleases. No stability for the employee (sorry contractor), full benefit for RYR. In fact the more pilots, the more profits made on T.R. and even more flexibility for rostering (at no cost). Win - Win for Molly! We'll end up competing for the available hours!
But remember this about what's happening: the campaign for recognition is a movement from the pilots for the pilots and it is gathering overwhelming support.
Please, for those who haven't yet done it, visit:
BALPA - Home
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Leo,
You know, it is indeed a right royal pain in the ass ( for us uneducated types) that you have to revert to Latin in all of your intro's. (To save time , at least provide a free translation for the great unwashed, of whom in RYR perhaps we count more than a few
)
My experience of BALPA (in another company ) is that, they are indeed a shower of handjobbers ( inserted here in lieu of w@nkers to avoid offending the sensitive)
Having said that Dear Leo, do you not think that, perchance the possibility exists of a bit of "capitalising" on the somewhat bleak employment situation by our beloved leaders ?
And, by the same token, as the Commander of an aircraft, and thereby expected to exercise good and forward thinking judgement, do you not also see that the masses might perceive a need to cry "ENOUGH" before their terms and conditions are cast even further asunder ?
Like you Leo, I think MOL is a feckin genius ( I would caution however, a flawed genius) but surely, even you , can see that to let such a blinkered rush towards the bottom line will certainly demand that, as a minimum , we find a new profession if we are to grow old in the style we wish, or have you already found yourself in receipt of that new opportunity ? Alas , me no. . . . . yet.
Leo, you are truly not a dumbass, so please , stop trying to convince all and sundry that the life of Ryanair pilots is all sweetness and roses, when you and I both know that the reality is merely what we have ( collectively) allowed it to become (in the good times
) multiplied by the sorry circumstances we are in now .
Please , for the sake of your own dignity and self respect, at least acknowledge, " it is in the greater scheme of things, pretty CRAP, but we really can't do any better at the moment in the current market, sorry bruv". Acknowledge that simple fact, and I, and many others could perhaps take you seriously, rather than really doubting if you are actually here, on planet earth, with us at all.
Leo, really, you talk (sometimes) a lot of sense, but get real sometimes, get with the programme ! !
Even the "I earned 15,000e a month" contractors are squealing now. . why ? well, they ain't doing 100hrs a month no more, and, courtesy of Brookfield, the taxman cometh (You can run , but you can't hide
)
Leo, lets face it, it's fecked. You enjoyed it, I enjoyed it, ( albeit not as a contractor) but right now it ain't pretty, and it might never be again, or certainly any time soon.
Please, have the dignity/realism , to acknowledge grim reality,is that so hard ?
(excuse me using the word grim
)
Yours (surprisingly) cordially,
another mug/ another pawn
You know, it is indeed a right royal pain in the ass ( for us uneducated types) that you have to revert to Latin in all of your intro's. (To save time , at least provide a free translation for the great unwashed, of whom in RYR perhaps we count more than a few
)My experience of BALPA (in another company ) is that, they are indeed a shower of handjobbers ( inserted here in lieu of w@nkers to avoid offending the sensitive)
Having said that Dear Leo, do you not think that, perchance the possibility exists of a bit of "capitalising" on the somewhat bleak employment situation by our beloved leaders ?
And, by the same token, as the Commander of an aircraft, and thereby expected to exercise good and forward thinking judgement, do you not also see that the masses might perceive a need to cry "ENOUGH" before their terms and conditions are cast even further asunder ?
Like you Leo, I think MOL is a feckin genius ( I would caution however, a flawed genius) but surely, even you , can see that to let such a blinkered rush towards the bottom line will certainly demand that, as a minimum , we find a new profession if we are to grow old in the style we wish, or have you already found yourself in receipt of that new opportunity ? Alas , me no. . . . . yet.
Leo, you are truly not a dumbass, so please , stop trying to convince all and sundry that the life of Ryanair pilots is all sweetness and roses, when you and I both know that the reality is merely what we have ( collectively) allowed it to become (in the good times
) multiplied by the sorry circumstances we are in now . Please , for the sake of your own dignity and self respect, at least acknowledge, " it is in the greater scheme of things, pretty CRAP, but we really can't do any better at the moment in the current market, sorry bruv". Acknowledge that simple fact, and I, and many others could perhaps take you seriously, rather than really doubting if you are actually here, on planet earth, with us at all.
Leo, really, you talk (sometimes) a lot of sense, but get real sometimes, get with the programme ! !
Even the "I earned 15,000e a month" contractors are squealing now. . why ? well, they ain't doing 100hrs a month no more, and, courtesy of Brookfield, the taxman cometh (You can run , but you can't hide
)Leo, lets face it, it's fecked. You enjoyed it, I enjoyed it, ( albeit not as a contractor) but right now it ain't pretty, and it might never be again, or certainly any time soon.
Please, have the dignity/realism , to acknowledge grim reality,is that so hard ?
(excuse me using the word grim
)Yours (surprisingly) cordially,
another mug/ another pawn
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captpl., if the post i briefly saw from Leo last night is anything to go by, i don't think we'll hear from him again here, me thinks the moderators did not allow his latest rant as i found it myself insulting and in breach of pprne rules.. clearly the guy is running out of steam and arguments.
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Playstation, you old rogue.
Ok, no more latin. But as my old prof used to remind us, "it's not a dead language if people continue to use it with affection, and occasional humour", which goes some way to explaining...
This, as someone has been kind enough to tell Forty Thieves, translates as, "is that a scroll in your toga, or are you just happy to see me". Well, I thought it was funny.
I have never, not once, suggested that for a moment. In fact, as you and I know all too well, there are aspects of our operation, or rather, the administration of it, that are immensely annoying, but the likes of BALPA are hardly the remedy to it. Having been around the block a few times, though, I know several things as absolute truths. Firstly, unions stink. They're costly, useless and fake. They appeal most to the weak, the dim-witted and those lacking in self-confidence from the get-go. They come under the guise of fair and reasonable, and very quickly prove to be anything but, as the disillusioned and highly disturbed Didimus/Dim Reaper and his mate Rubik so ably demonstrate.
Perfect? No. Made better by BALPA? Certainly not. As for myself and those so enabled, if my contract is interfered with beyond that which I consider fair and reasonable in the current climate, I'll be off quicker than a flight attendant's undies on a Friday night. The world is a big place, or in other words, and as our Chief Executive likes to remind us, "if ya don't like it; **** off". Quite so.
No it isn't, old chap. The thing that has the natives restless at the moment, and the reason why the BALPA weasel is scratching at our chicken coop, is that the company is reacting to the recession with caution and great sense. The size and shape of it is, I fear, yet to be revealed. This annoys the troops, notoriously self-interested and blinkered as we are in matters pertaining to business, and hey presto, a vision of BALPA the immaculate comes into view. Pish, or rather, pish off.
The one thing about the recession that we can say with certainty, though, is that it will end. When it does, thanks to brilliant, if somewhat abrasive management, Ryanair will emerge larger, stronger and more dominant in the European industry than you can possibly imagine. We'll have jobs for thousands of pilots, spread over hundreds of bases from the Atlantic to the Urals. With a long-haul operation about to kick off, due in no small part to the reason why Stephen Udvar-Hazy can't sleep at night, now is not the time to permit short-term self interest eclipse a long term vision for the future.
Yours (surprisingly) cordially,
Leo. And now if you'll kindly leave me alone, I'm on a month of forced leave, and the fish are biting.
You and I both know that you're neither. What's more, I've never thought of you as such. Let me leave you with just one tiny bit more Latin, and then no more, as you've made me promise. Let me know if you need a translation.
Christus resurrexit!
Happy Easter, everyone. Pax! (tr. peace).
Ok, no more latin. But as my old prof used to remind us, "it's not a dead language if people continue to use it with affection, and occasional humour", which goes some way to explaining...
Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?
stop trying to convince all and sundry that the life of Ryanair pilots is all sweetness and roses
Perfect? No. Made better by BALPA? Certainly not. As for myself and those so enabled, if my contract is interfered with beyond that which I consider fair and reasonable in the current climate, I'll be off quicker than a flight attendant's undies on a Friday night. The world is a big place, or in other words, and as our Chief Executive likes to remind us, "if ya don't like it; **** off". Quite so.
Leo, lets face it, it's fecked.
The one thing about the recession that we can say with certainty, though, is that it will end. When it does, thanks to brilliant, if somewhat abrasive management, Ryanair will emerge larger, stronger and more dominant in the European industry than you can possibly imagine. We'll have jobs for thousands of pilots, spread over hundreds of bases from the Atlantic to the Urals. With a long-haul operation about to kick off, due in no small part to the reason why Stephen Udvar-Hazy can't sleep at night, now is not the time to permit short-term self interest eclipse a long term vision for the future.
Yours (surprisingly) cordially,
Leo. And now if you'll kindly leave me alone, I'm on a month of forced leave, and the fish are biting.
another mug/ another pawn
Christus resurrexit!
Happy Easter, everyone. Pax! (tr. peace).
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