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Please at least try to be polite. Not ALL coming from Romania is suspicious. As a Romanian citizen I feel uncomfortable with this , as I live , work and try to do my best , as you do probably in your job and country.
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head
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OK! I did some internet research about Blue Air to see how much truth is in its successful growth. Its owner, Nelu Iordache ( hope spelling all right), after the communism's disintegration receives as a gift a government construction company. After joining EU and after EU's money started pouring in for improving country's infrastructure and social programs, your country leaders decided to share all that among themselves. So Mr Jordache received another gift of 385 mil euros among many such gifts. Not even Italian Mafia gets that lucky. Maybe that explains why the poverty level of majority people is one of the lowest in Europe, and in the same time,overnight, Romania has some of Europe's wealthiest. Gates in his wildest dreams wouldn't make it that fast. Checking internet further one would read that Blue Air has a capital of 120 mil euros but an aircraft order of 1 billion euros and its owner is trying to find a buyer. It looks like the billion has to be paid and the 120 mil will not cut it. Unless more money from the new EU loan of 27 bil euros will come some how his way again. Because of new EU restrictions ( EU has the feeling somehow the money gets stolen, but it can not figure out how ) Mr Blue Air owner has to come with some new scam. Damn EU. How EU dares to impose restrictions instead of just give money owed to him?
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Mr. countbat ,
I never said in my post that Mr. Iordache , the owner of Blue Air is the cleanest businessman of Europe. There are some matter I must comment :
1. Romstrade (Iordache's main company) has a long term cooperation with Italian ASTALDI for construction works on airport's infrastructures. It is , if you accept the term , a crossborder cooperation
2. If you believe that EU money (27 bln will come during 2007-2013) could be stealed without any control from European Comision , you are a naive person. I heard about tens of EU financed projects in Romania that has tens of audits before getting the money . If you know the procedures , any EU state getting money from EU should first finance any project from ts own resources and get the money after the project is done and financial audits is made.
3. I trully advice you to take press articles on the internet with the same suspicion as you consider ALL Romanian citizens "being proud tou scam EU" as you said .
Your considerations about the capital shares of Blue Air versus the 1 bln order from Boeing shows that you treat things without any understanding of financial montures in this business . First of all this is not a signed contract , they only started negociantions , and second , if this will be signed , it will be a medium term lease process , when money will be paid during several years.
Anyway , I think there are a lot of examples across Europe these days of airliners that are faceing really bad financial difficulties from "trusted nations" . Last examples : Slovak SkyEurope and Italian MyAir. Or should I remember you Sterling?
So , my dear fellow , my "so called idealism" is based on facts , your bad words on Romanians are based on the internet researches. Once again , try to find facts instead of rumors !
I never said in my post that Mr. Iordache , the owner of Blue Air is the cleanest businessman of Europe. There are some matter I must comment :
1. Romstrade (Iordache's main company) has a long term cooperation with Italian ASTALDI for construction works on airport's infrastructures. It is , if you accept the term , a crossborder cooperation
2. If you believe that EU money (27 bln will come during 2007-2013) could be stealed without any control from European Comision , you are a naive person. I heard about tens of EU financed projects in Romania that has tens of audits before getting the money . If you know the procedures , any EU state getting money from EU should first finance any project from ts own resources and get the money after the project is done and financial audits is made.
3. I trully advice you to take press articles on the internet with the same suspicion as you consider ALL Romanian citizens "being proud tou scam EU" as you said .
Your considerations about the capital shares of Blue Air versus the 1 bln order from Boeing shows that you treat things without any understanding of financial montures in this business . First of all this is not a signed contract , they only started negociantions , and second , if this will be signed , it will be a medium term lease process , when money will be paid during several years.
Anyway , I think there are a lot of examples across Europe these days of airliners that are faceing really bad financial difficulties from "trusted nations" . Last examples : Slovak SkyEurope and Italian MyAir. Or should I remember you Sterling?
So , my dear fellow , my "so called idealism" is based on facts , your bad words on Romanians are based on the internet researches. Once again , try to find facts instead of rumors !
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For what it's worth, I've just spent 4 months operating 320's out of Cluj, in northern Romania.
The city is a pleasure to live in, the living costs are very reasonable, the people are very friendly and the vast majority speak an extremely high standard of English.
Not once did anyone try to rip me off or attempt any other unpleasantness(!). The countryside is beautiful and best seen on a mountain bike (or a FireBlade :-).
I have heard that Bucharest is nothing special to live in but that could be said of a lot of capital cities. It's worth keeping an open mind and actually experiencing these places as they are now - don't let stereotypes put you off.
The city is a pleasure to live in, the living costs are very reasonable, the people are very friendly and the vast majority speak an extremely high standard of English.
Not once did anyone try to rip me off or attempt any other unpleasantness(!). The countryside is beautiful and best seen on a mountain bike (or a FireBlade :-).
I have heard that Bucharest is nothing special to live in but that could be said of a lot of capital cities. It's worth keeping an open mind and actually experiencing these places as they are now - don't let stereotypes put you off.
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I have heard that Bucharest is nothing special to live in
Dirty, Grimy, full of unfriendly people, scams around every corner.
In complete contrast to its neighbours Moldova (poor but very decent) and Bulgaria (a wonderful country, one of the best I have experienced).
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I know internet many times may not be a viable source of info, but also many times can be very beneficial.
I have just seen a Forbes publication listing the first 3 or 5 hundred richest Romanians. What striked me was their wealth combined sums exactly the total money received from EU. I thought EU gives money to its members for improving infrastructure or some forms of economic development?
Meanwhile the British homeowners got their propety taxes increased by 350-400 pounds a year to help Romania and Bulgaria's governments paying their subject salaries. Go figure! How strange that is?
I have just seen a Forbes publication listing the first 3 or 5 hundred richest Romanians. What striked me was their wealth combined sums exactly the total money received from EU. I thought EU gives money to its members for improving infrastructure or some forms of economic development?
Meanwhile the British homeowners got their propety taxes increased by 350-400 pounds a year to help Romania and Bulgaria's governments paying their subject salaries. Go figure! How strange that is?
