Jetstream 41 - Romania
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No matter how eager you are to get a job.....for god's sake think!!!!!
This could be a marrow sized shafting and from that neck of the woods, would you trust it?
I be the flat is probably next in the red light district and your neighbours armed dealers.
And for a JS job - naaahhh!!!!
This could be a marrow sized shafting and from that neck of the woods, would you trust it?
I be the flat is probably next in the red light district and your neighbours armed dealers.
And for a JS job - naaahhh!!!!
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From: LEBL
I got a call from Wynnwith last week
The job is opening back up, apparently financing has been secured, I told them that yes i continue interested as are a few other friends of mine, all of us typed in 320 and 330, ex-captains with NO WORK.
The desert, vietnamese prospects ? Close to nil, and we all know the real truth once stuck in the sandpit. Vietnam ? perhaps the best bet but too far away for the likes of me and my friends and their young families.
I have worked as a carpenter, barman, construction worker, waiter, musician and other tasks to make ends meet while also self financing my aviation career ( 13K hrs, 7K hrs PIC, F 50,Bae ATP, Falcon 20, B 737, A320 and 330, Long Haul Etop ops all over this suffering globe ) and I will continue to do whatever is necessary working while you prima donna whine about Tīs & Cīs....I have captain buddies on 320 making just over 4 grand a month and even they are under the gun as the goddamned low cost forever try and squeeze the life out of them to make more money. I say its not going to get better if not just the opposite...
Romania ? I know people from there and they are PEOPLE just like you and me. One must adapt, period.
Prima Donnas Drop Dead.
The desert, vietnamese prospects ? Close to nil, and we all know the real truth once stuck in the sandpit. Vietnam ? perhaps the best bet but too far away for the likes of me and my friends and their young families.
I have worked as a carpenter, barman, construction worker, waiter, musician and other tasks to make ends meet while also self financing my aviation career ( 13K hrs, 7K hrs PIC, F 50,Bae ATP, Falcon 20, B 737, A320 and 330, Long Haul Etop ops all over this suffering globe ) and I will continue to do whatever is necessary working while you prima donna whine about Tīs & Cīs....I have captain buddies on 320 making just over 4 grand a month and even they are under the gun as the goddamned low cost forever try and squeeze the life out of them to make more money. I say its not going to get better if not just the opposite...
Romania ? I know people from there and they are PEOPLE just like you and me. One must adapt, period.
Prima Donnas Drop Dead.
Joined: Apr 2004
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From: where they send me
Will They/won't They ?
Well for sure there are a lot more than four ready, eager, willing and waiting for a job, and I'm one of them !
Care to expand on anything you know ? This contract has been on and off more than the proverbial whores draws !
Cheers,
L8.
Care to expand on anything you know ? This contract has been on and off more than the proverbial whores draws !
Cheers,
L8.
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Romania
Well gentlemen : some details :
Airline operator will be Blue Air (IATA : OB / ICAO : JOR ) , a Romanian low-cost carrier based on Bucharest Baneasa (BBU). They are the AOC holder.
They are operating now a fleet of 8 B737 (2 x 300 , 3 x 400 and 3 x 800) , aquired a 9th one (B737-500 ex OY-MAA of Sterling) and have a firm order for 3 x B737-800 and 2 x B737-900 brand new from Boeing .
Aside , they have a 3 yrs term contract with Romanian Post for express mailing from 7 local airports to BBU base. For this they use some Piper on short term wetlease from RAS.
About J41 : they already announced flights CLJ-SCV and return (x6) and from there 2 x weekly SCV-VCE and 3 x weekly SCV-VIE . This is just the beginning . Rumours says that first J41 will come from Eastern and will be based on Cluj Intl Airport (CLJ).
Does anyone know aout more than one J41 that JOR intend to operate ? Would be interesting to find.
You cand find news and ask any question about the matter and Romanian Aviation (you could find professionals) on the following link :
www.fly-ra.com
Anyone welcomed . Most of the forum is in English , so feel comfortable there !
Airline operator will be Blue Air (IATA : OB / ICAO : JOR ) , a Romanian low-cost carrier based on Bucharest Baneasa (BBU). They are the AOC holder.
They are operating now a fleet of 8 B737 (2 x 300 , 3 x 400 and 3 x 800) , aquired a 9th one (B737-500 ex OY-MAA of Sterling) and have a firm order for 3 x B737-800 and 2 x B737-900 brand new from Boeing .
Aside , they have a 3 yrs term contract with Romanian Post for express mailing from 7 local airports to BBU base. For this they use some Piper on short term wetlease from RAS.
About J41 : they already announced flights CLJ-SCV and return (x6) and from there 2 x weekly SCV-VCE and 3 x weekly SCV-VIE . This is just the beginning . Rumours says that first J41 will come from Eastern and will be based on Cluj Intl Airport (CLJ).
Does anyone know aout more than one J41 that JOR intend to operate ? Would be interesting to find.
You cand find news and ask any question about the matter and Romanian Aviation (you could find professionals) on the following link :
www.fly-ra.com
Anyone welcomed . Most of the forum is in English , so feel comfortable there !
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Romania
I think I missed some details :
- new flights mentioned in my previous post will start in July 15th
- aircraft will be , of course , BAE Jetstream J41
LE : I see now that my fisrt post is not yet posted . I hope it will , else I will come back and re-write the details about your interest (J41 and Blue Air).
- new flights mentioned in my previous post will start in July 15th
- aircraft will be , of course , BAE Jetstream J41
LE : I see now that my fisrt post is not yet posted . I hope it will , else I will come back and re-write the details about your interest (J41 and Blue Air).
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From: Everywhere
Blue Air sent me an email 2 weeks ago regarding job conditions, and asking if I agree with them. After I answered them that the job was OK i am still waiting for any response.
Does anyone know anything new?
Best regards.
Cheche
Does anyone know anything new?
Best regards.
Cheche
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Romania
Well gentlemen , I do not know if it is a bad news or not for you :
Blue Air started CLJ-SCV , SCV-VIE , SCV-VCE and will start in July 22th CLJ-BBU using a a wetleased Saab2000 aircraft from Carpatair . The aircraft is wearing Blue AIr's livery and it is registred YR-SBM.
From what I heard it is just a short term wet lease , so maybe they are still expecting the BAE Jetstream a/c's from Eastern Airways.
Keep you informed with further developements.
Blue Air started CLJ-SCV , SCV-VIE , SCV-VCE and will start in July 22th CLJ-BBU using a a wetleased Saab2000 aircraft from Carpatair . The aircraft is wearing Blue AIr's livery and it is registred YR-SBM.
From what I heard it is just a short term wet lease , so maybe they are still expecting the BAE Jetstream a/c's from Eastern Airways.
Keep you informed with further developements.
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From: Everywhere
Hi all,
I have just receive and email from Blue Air telling me that finally they are not going to bring J41. They told me that maybe they are going to bring SAAB (they dont say which one 340 or 2000). Crew positions are in hold, they will contact to me again as soon as they have more info.....
rgds
I have just receive and email from Blue Air telling me that finally they are not going to bring J41. They told me that maybe they are going to bring SAAB (they dont say which one 340 or 2000). Crew positions are in hold, they will contact to me again as soon as they have more info.....
rgds
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From: SEA
As I mentioned earlier, everything coming from Romania must be seen with suspicion, as a scam. It is a point of honor for a Romanian to scam you out of your money. Everything is corrupt although their talking is high. Blue Air has financial difficulties and the owner is looking to scam EU for some funds. Also as a pilot expect to bribe the management for better trips, schedule, paperwork, even for your job or to get a job. To get that pilot job can cost you anywhere from 6000 euros up to 10000 euros. 
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From: Romania
@countbat
Please at least try to be polite. Not ALL coming from Romania is suspicious. As a Romanian citizen I feel uncomfortable with this , as I live , work and try to do my best , as you do probably in your job and country.
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head !!!
Please at least try to be polite. Not ALL coming from Romania is suspicious. As a Romanian citizen I feel uncomfortable with this , as I live , work and try to do my best , as you do probably in your job and country.
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head !!!
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From: SEA
Please at least try to be polite. Not ALL coming from Romania is suspicious. As a Romanian citizen I feel uncomfortable with this , as I live , work and try to do my best , as you do probably in your job and country.
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head
Regarding Blue Air , they are NOT faceing financial difficulties , they only change their strategy. As Carpatair (KRP) have some available Saab200's in their fleet , and as a wetlease of Saab's is less expensive, they decided to go further with this. They are already operating one Saab 2000 regitered YR SBM on behalf of Blue Air , and two more Saab's from KRP will follow in a couple of weeks. This is the actual situation , only a business decision , nothing more.
There are a lot of foreign pilots and FO;s working for Romanian airliners , and they can tell you hat working here is similar to anywhere else on Planet Earth. So please try to judge with your head
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From: SEA
OK! I did some internet research about Blue Air to see how much truth is in its successful growth. Its owner, Nelu Iordache ( hope spelling all right), after the communism's disintegration receives as a gift a government construction company. After joining EU and after EU's money started pouring in for improving country's infrastructure and social programs, your country leaders decided to share all that among themselves. So Mr Jordache received another gift of 385 mil euros among many such gifts. Not even Italian Mafia gets that lucky. Maybe that explains why the poverty level of majority people is one of the lowest in Europe, and in the same time,overnight, Romania has some of Europe's wealthiest. Gates in his wildest dreams wouldn't make it that fast. Checking internet further one would read that Blue Air has a capital of 120 mil euros but an aircraft order of 1 billion euros and its owner is trying to find a buyer. It looks like the billion has to be paid and the 120 mil will not cut it. Unless more money from the new EU loan of 27 bil euros will come some how his way again. Because of new EU restrictions ( EU has the feeling somehow the money gets stolen, but it can not figure out how ) Mr Blue Air owner has to come with some new scam. Damn EU. How EU dares to impose restrictions instead of just give money owed to him?
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From: Romania
Mr. countbat ,
I never said in my post that Mr. Iordache , the owner of Blue Air is the cleanest businessman of Europe. There are some matter I must comment :
1. Romstrade (Iordache's main company) has a long term cooperation with Italian ASTALDI for construction works on airport's infrastructures. It is , if you accept the term , a crossborder cooperation
2. If you believe that EU money (27 bln will come during 2007-2013) could be stealed without any control from European Comision , you are a naive person. I heard about tens of EU financed projects in Romania that has tens of audits before getting the money . If you know the procedures , any EU state getting money from EU should first finance any project from ts own resources and get the money after the project is done and financial audits is made.
3. I trully advice you to take press articles on the internet with the same suspicion as you consider ALL Romanian citizens "being proud tou scam EU" as you said .
Your considerations about the capital shares of Blue Air versus the 1 bln order from Boeing shows that you treat things without any understanding of financial montures in this business . First of all this is not a signed contract , they only started negociantions , and second , if this will be signed , it will be a medium term lease process , when money will be paid during several years.
Anyway , I think there are a lot of examples across Europe these days of airliners that are faceing really bad financial difficulties from "trusted nations" . Last examples : Slovak SkyEurope and Italian MyAir. Or should I remember you Sterling?
So , my dear fellow , my "so called idealism" is based on facts , your bad words on Romanians are based on the internet researches. Once again , try to find facts instead of rumors !
I never said in my post that Mr. Iordache , the owner of Blue Air is the cleanest businessman of Europe. There are some matter I must comment :
1. Romstrade (Iordache's main company) has a long term cooperation with Italian ASTALDI for construction works on airport's infrastructures. It is , if you accept the term , a crossborder cooperation
2. If you believe that EU money (27 bln will come during 2007-2013) could be stealed without any control from European Comision , you are a naive person. I heard about tens of EU financed projects in Romania that has tens of audits before getting the money . If you know the procedures , any EU state getting money from EU should first finance any project from ts own resources and get the money after the project is done and financial audits is made.
3. I trully advice you to take press articles on the internet with the same suspicion as you consider ALL Romanian citizens "being proud tou scam EU" as you said .
Your considerations about the capital shares of Blue Air versus the 1 bln order from Boeing shows that you treat things without any understanding of financial montures in this business . First of all this is not a signed contract , they only started negociantions , and second , if this will be signed , it will be a medium term lease process , when money will be paid during several years.
Anyway , I think there are a lot of examples across Europe these days of airliners that are faceing really bad financial difficulties from "trusted nations" . Last examples : Slovak SkyEurope and Italian MyAir. Or should I remember you Sterling?
So , my dear fellow , my "so called idealism" is based on facts , your bad words on Romanians are based on the internet researches. Once again , try to find facts instead of rumors !
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From: Cloud 9
For what it's worth, I've just spent 4 months operating 320's out of Cluj, in northern Romania.
The city is a pleasure to live in, the living costs are very reasonable, the people are very friendly and the vast majority speak an extremely high standard of English.
Not once did anyone try to rip me off or attempt any other unpleasantness(!). The countryside is beautiful and best seen on a mountain bike (or a FireBlade :-).
I have heard that Bucharest is nothing special to live in but that could be said of a lot of capital cities. It's worth keeping an open mind and actually experiencing these places as they are now - don't let stereotypes put you off.
The city is a pleasure to live in, the living costs are very reasonable, the people are very friendly and the vast majority speak an extremely high standard of English.
Not once did anyone try to rip me off or attempt any other unpleasantness(!). The countryside is beautiful and best seen on a mountain bike (or a FireBlade :-).
I have heard that Bucharest is nothing special to live in but that could be said of a lot of capital cities. It's worth keeping an open mind and actually experiencing these places as they are now - don't let stereotypes put you off.
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