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Without getting involved in the spat, it is vital pilots speak the same language without making a political thing of it. It may be worldwide Mandarin in 30 years, but for now it is English- French has historically had far too little general useage around the world apart from being a place to borrow words when we can't think of one in English! But if not English, Spanish is currently the next most useful worldwide language. But in a generation, we will all be swept away by Oriental anyway. But for now, I want to be able to fly anywhere and understand what's going on. English it is. And French accented English is attractive. It is not an admission of national defeat, it is in the cause of understanding. I appreciate people are speaking it as a second or third language and I appreciate they are making an effort to do so. Universal comprehension is the word.
Now get learning Mandarin you young pilots!
Now get learning Mandarin you young pilots!
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Without getting involved in the spat, it is vital pilots speak the same language without making a political thing of it. It may be worldwide Mandarin in 30 years, but for now it is English- French has historically had far too little general useage around the world apart from being a place to borrow words when we can't think of one in English! But if not English, Spanish is currently the next most useful worldwide language. But in a generation, we will all be swept away by Oriental anyway. But for now, I want to be able to fly anywhere and understand what's going on. English it is. And French accented English is attractive. It is not an admission of national defeat, it is in the cause of understanding. I appreciate people are speaking it as a second or third language and I appreciate they are making an effort to do so. Universal comprehension is the word.
Now get learning Mandarin you young pilots!
Now get learning Mandarin you young pilots!
Claro que el espanol es un idioma bastente hablado, y muy bonito ya que es latino y tiene la misma rais que el frances o el italiano. Y ya veras en espana se habla espanol en la frequencia, en Italia se parla italiano !
I am sorry, but if you were not english you would speak more than one language.
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And last, but not least, In CDG we speak french because we are in our country. Check what annex 10 of ICAO says !!! it will be the same in MAD, FCO, etc...
If this is not a subject for AF or the frensh pilots.....well go ahead, we have already seen where this leads to.
Flew with some french guys, 2 french crewmembers and 2 non french in the cockpit, the french guys were always talking in french even about flight related things. Very good CRM....the french way
BTW: it was not a french company we were flying for, not even in France.
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So you must not be working for Air Dolomiti, nor alitalia 
Even in germany they speak german (air berlin, etc...).
You have to respect it, and learn foreign languages for your own culture.
Even in germany they speak german (air berlin, etc...).
You have to respect it, and learn foreign languages for your own culture.
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Love the French: pretty much like the Dutch.
There is only 1 way to do things....the French way. Never mind the SOPs, Regional, Liberte, AF SOPs are always better and DANGEROUS!!!!!
When you have French pilots doing their own thing it creates DANGER.
When the French learn that safety comes first, regardless of nationality, language or airline THEN, and only THEN, will they be regarded as grown up.
Until that point they will always be viewed for what they are: a bunch of whining spoilt brats with nice food and wine and a spectacular country somebody else should be living in.
Rant over.
PS One of the best pilots I have ever flown with is French, Christophe of the City, Fingers of Gold.
There is only 1 way to do things....the French way. Never mind the SOPs, Regional, Liberte, AF SOPs are always better and DANGEROUS!!!!!
When you have French pilots doing their own thing it creates DANGER.
When the French learn that safety comes first, regardless of nationality, language or airline THEN, and only THEN, will they be regarded as grown up.
Until that point they will always be viewed for what they are: a bunch of whining spoilt brats with nice food and wine and a spectacular country somebody else should be living in.
Rant over.
PS One of the best pilots I have ever flown with is French, Christophe of the City, Fingers of Gold.
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Even in germany they speak german (air berlin, etc...).
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nuageblanc, those fortunate enough to live where they are based have an alternative to working in a bank or post office, it's called Ryanair.
You seem to think everyone that works for them has never worked elsewhere & wasted vast chunks of their life losing time in some hotel somewhere they probably have been a 100 times & don't want to be at that moment.
Of course for you, at this obviously early stage of your career, it is all so glamorous, well I am happy for you. When you have spent a few years or indeed a few decades doing it you will see that even if you arrive home a little tired, sleeping in your own bed with your own partner isn't actually the worst option. Those on a 5/4 roster will probably have 1 standby a week, so 4 on 4 off AND at home. . . . or you prefer 3 sectors & a night in the Sofitel in Marseilles I suppose, to each his own.
Whatever one's native tongue is , why can't you see too that everyone's situational awareness is enhanced by everyone speaking the same language, I have averted a few scares in CDG & indeed been aware of a few near misses too by virtue of understanding the V.F. transmissions. If only one language that EVERYONE spoke was in use, everyone would be afforded that extra safety net. I am sorry for you that it isn't your language in use world wide but that is life. BTW in Beauvais they don't get to practice their French very much, due to the sucess story that is French aviation outside of AF
Most of my French colleagues are fairly happy in Ryanair for the same reason, France is not exactly full of opportunities for pilots now is it ?
Try proving to me that Ryanair employees are in breach of European or indeed Irish law as it relates to aviation employees and perhaps I can take your claim that they are working illegally seriously. As the rules relating to that profession stand they are not, even if your country would like to impose it's views on a third party country they can't, as there exists already legislation covering this situation.
I am aware there are AF pilots living everywhere under the sun, but, you are all based in Paris, so, like many others they are commuting. The joys & pitfalls of that lifestyle will become apparent to you around the time you are stranded and unable to get to work because your inbound aircraft diverted, it will become even more apparent around the time of your second divorce, if indeed two gullible women can be found to accompany you cher cloud.
Joyeaux Noel.
You seem to think everyone that works for them has never worked elsewhere & wasted vast chunks of their life losing time in some hotel somewhere they probably have been a 100 times & don't want to be at that moment.
Of course for you, at this obviously early stage of your career, it is all so glamorous, well I am happy for you. When you have spent a few years or indeed a few decades doing it you will see that even if you arrive home a little tired, sleeping in your own bed with your own partner isn't actually the worst option. Those on a 5/4 roster will probably have 1 standby a week, so 4 on 4 off AND at home. . . . or you prefer 3 sectors & a night in the Sofitel in Marseilles I suppose, to each his own.
Whatever one's native tongue is , why can't you see too that everyone's situational awareness is enhanced by everyone speaking the same language, I have averted a few scares in CDG & indeed been aware of a few near misses too by virtue of understanding the V.F. transmissions. If only one language that EVERYONE spoke was in use, everyone would be afforded that extra safety net. I am sorry for you that it isn't your language in use world wide but that is life. BTW in Beauvais they don't get to practice their French very much, due to the sucess story that is French aviation outside of AF
Most of my French colleagues are fairly happy in Ryanair for the same reason, France is not exactly full of opportunities for pilots now is it ?Try proving to me that Ryanair employees are in breach of European or indeed Irish law as it relates to aviation employees and perhaps I can take your claim that they are working illegally seriously. As the rules relating to that profession stand they are not, even if your country would like to impose it's views on a third party country they can't, as there exists already legislation covering this situation.
I am aware there are AF pilots living everywhere under the sun, but, you are all based in Paris, so, like many others they are commuting. The joys & pitfalls of that lifestyle will become apparent to you around the time you are stranded and unable to get to work because your inbound aircraft diverted, it will become even more apparent around the time of your second divorce, if indeed two gullible women can be found to accompany you cher cloud.
Joyeaux Noel.
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If it wasn't for the English you'd be speaking German
If it would be german at CDG than it would actually be english, because in Germany we speak the language of aviation......english
Yeah right.
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English is a very ungly and unpersonnal language. We are more than 4000 pilots at AF and one of the requieremnet to apply is to be perfectly fluent in french. I am happy to speak french all the day at work and I do all the briefing in French. But I often do the radio in spanish over spain and it seems to work 
Captain playstation, At AF we have a really good planification department and people living outside Paris tend to start and finish from the airport close to where they live. I love visiting the world, so there is no problem to me
I appreciate you prefer working like a postman or a banker, climbing-decending-climbing-descending-climbing-descending-climbing-descending and back at the same initial point with the same wife all the life
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And yes I was quoting beauvais as a crappy airfield with no Cat III but the controlers are willing to speak english for the low cost airlines that are the only users, because CDG is too expensive for them.
I am happy not to have english collegues, I am kind of incompatible with those cold and false people, not the same humour not the same culture.
(I do prefer americans, nicer accent, better culture)
I say again CDG will remain French First forever
Joyeux Noel les filles !
Captain playstation, At AF we have a really good planification department and people living outside Paris tend to start and finish from the airport close to where they live. I love visiting the world, so there is no problem to me
I appreciate you prefer working like a postman or a banker, climbing-decending-climbing-descending-climbing-descending-climbing-descending and back at the same initial point with the same wife all the life
...And yes I was quoting beauvais as a crappy airfield with no Cat III but the controlers are willing to speak english for the low cost airlines that are the only users, because CDG is too expensive for them.
I am happy not to have english collegues, I am kind of incompatible with those cold and false people, not the same humour not the same culture.
(I do prefer americans, nicer accent, better culture
)I say again CDG will remain French First forever
Joyeux Noel les filles !
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Just ignore him.
Option 1.The whole business has gone into his head. Read his posts from last year and he was still looking for a job, probably still is but pretends to be with AF.
I actually thought they had some standards, I was obviously mistaken. My only wish is that most AF pilots are not same kind of degenerates, can't really be or can they?
Option 2. This guy is a windup merchant and go's from one forum to another winding people up with his "Trolls" and getting sick satisfaction out of it.
Option 3. All of the above.
Option 1.The whole business has gone into his head. Read his posts from last year and he was still looking for a job, probably still is but pretends to be with AF.
I actually thought they had some standards, I was obviously mistaken. My only wish is that most AF pilots are not same kind of degenerates, can't really be or can they?
Option 2. This guy is a windup merchant and go's from one forum to another winding people up with his "Trolls" and getting sick satisfaction out of it.
Option 3. All of the above.
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"If you want to be home everyday, you'd better work in the post office or a bank.
Aviation is not doing 4 or 6 secors a days and going back to your flat, but since you remain in lowcost things you will never understand it and think you are in the paradise. Does the myth of the cavern sounds familiar to anyone of you?
I always laugh when I see french expat working for ryanair and saying Air France is not good enough for them
Captain playsation, there are so many AF pilots living in Nice, Toulouse, Aix en Provence, Corsica, Spain, Italy...
And yes, Ryanair people working at Marseille base work illegaly because they dont have french contracts.
And last, but not least, In CDG we speak french because we are in our country. Check what annex 10 of ICAO says !!! it will be the same in MAD, FCO, etc...
English people are frustrated because they cant understand anything else than english."
I have to support nuageblanc on this !
Aviation is not doing 4 or 6 secors a days and going back to your flat, but since you remain in lowcost things you will never understand it and think you are in the paradise. Does the myth of the cavern sounds familiar to anyone of you?
I always laugh when I see french expat working for ryanair and saying Air France is not good enough for them
Captain playsation, there are so many AF pilots living in Nice, Toulouse, Aix en Provence, Corsica, Spain, Italy...
And yes, Ryanair people working at Marseille base work illegaly because they dont have french contracts.
And last, but not least, In CDG we speak french because we are in our country. Check what annex 10 of ICAO says !!! it will be the same in MAD, FCO, etc...
English people are frustrated because they cant understand anything else than english."
I have to support nuageblanc on this !