Brookfield working practices, conditions, and Contracts
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No idea on net salary as it depends on how much you claim on your expenses and is so variable. I did some maths and came out with 30,000 euro gross for first 11months.
All training and licence costs are the cadets responsibility, if you want more information use the search there is loads of info on the company etc.
Nick
All training and licence costs are the cadets responsibility, if you want more information use the search there is loads of info on the company etc.
Nick
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White Eagle,
The timing of the payment of your type rating costs will have a major bearing on your tax bill. In some cases it is a tax allowable expense but in other cases it is not.
The irish revenue have a note issued on the subject.
Obviously if you can arrange for the costs to be allowable you will not pay any tax in your first year if your earnings are under around €45k.
The timing of the payment of your type rating costs will have a major bearing on your tax bill. In some cases it is a tax allowable expense but in other cases it is not.
The irish revenue have a note issued on the subject.
Obviously if you can arrange for the costs to be allowable you will not pay any tax in your first year if your earnings are under around €45k.
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Nick, Gobnet,
thank you for your replies and information!
All the taxation stuff seems complicated, especially when time is tight regarding all the studies. May I contact you as personal tax adviser, Gobnet?
Cheers
thank you for your replies and information!
All the taxation stuff seems complicated, especially when time is tight regarding all the studies. May I contact you as personal tax adviser, Gobnet?
Cheers
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I'm not advertising my wares here. I'm just passing on information that I have. Do you shoot every messenger that comes along.
The case as it stands is that the tax office want all of the pilots contracted to Ryanair, through brookfield, to be registered for, and paying tax.
I am not advertising my wares here for two reasons, one is that the forum is not here for whoreing, I'll buy advertising space ont he site if I want to push my business
To keep hairy camel happy I'll stop posting information.
The case as it stands is that the tax office want all of the pilots contracted to Ryanair, through brookfield, to be registered for, and paying tax.
I am not advertising my wares here for two reasons, one is that the forum is not here for whoreing, I'll buy advertising space ont he site if I want to push my business
To keep hairy camel happy I'll stop posting information.
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Yeah,gobnet,publish your details as the camel would like, so ryanair management can set their legal team on you to stop you from informing ryanair pilots as to their legal rights and entitlements,and woe betide you may prevent "declan the liar" from getting his kickback.If you do not pay tax when supposed to,you are a criminal and that is how you should be treated.end of.
I Think you are providing good measured info and F@@k lhc and his ilk.Keep posting!!!
no doubt,we will be reading some latinised bull**** from lhc by days end.eh brutus!!!
I Think you are providing good measured info and F@@k lhc and his ilk.Keep posting!!!
no doubt,we will be reading some latinised bull**** from lhc by days end.eh brutus!!!
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Gobnet, don't listen to that idiot. I find your posts informative and helpful and would like you to keep us updated on the taxation situation as mentioned in one of your previous posts.
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Back so soon LEO ? .......
Guess you couldn't just stay away could you ?
Yours (surprisingly) cordially,
Leo. And now if you'll kindly leave me alone, I'm on a month of forced leave, and the fish are biting.
Leo. And now if you'll kindly leave me alone, I'm on a month of forced leave, and the fish are biting.
Guess you couldn't just stay away could you ?
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Brookfield Pilots Tuc Survey
I hear that the lastest intentions from our friendly Brookfield is to get up to strength on new cadets on the new contract, then they will send ALL pilots on the current 'higher rate' contract thier notice of contract termination. At this point, they will be offered the new contract, (the lower rate contract). Guess what the options will be.
Walk, or take a lower pay rate. I wonder what most people will do. Sounds like the good old 'School Of Ryanair' coming back into play!
www.tuc.org.uk/agencyworksurvey
Walk, or take a lower pay rate. I wonder what most people will do. Sounds like the good old 'School Of Ryanair' coming back into play!
www.tuc.org.uk/agencyworksurvey
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Keeping a close eye on this thread, it's rather interesting.
So... if the pilots are illegally forced to sign up with one of these rogue accountancy firms, and pay up to 300 euros per month... are they going to be illegally forced to team up with two other pilots and an accountant and open up a company? Or is there another way to do it?
Seems all tricksy to me my precious!!!
So... if the pilots are illegally forced to sign up with one of these rogue accountancy firms, and pay up to 300 euros per month... are they going to be illegally forced to team up with two other pilots and an accountant and open up a company? Or is there another way to do it?
Seems all tricksy to me my precious!!!
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This scam is coming to an end soon!
My Friend's father is a very senior UK tax official and has been concerned about the legalities of the Brookfield contract that we have both been offered. He has put a lot of research into this matter so far and confirmed recently to us that the authorities have opened up an official investigation which he thinks will bring to an end this dreadful scam. I can't be more specific at this time, but I will post information here as and when I get it. What I can tell you is that the investigation will be centred around not conforming to IR35, follow this link: HM Revenue & Customs: IR35 - Countering Avoidance in the Provision of Personal Services Also, you can contact them confidentially, follow this link: HM Revenue & Customs:IR35 - Assistance/Free advice available The more people who speak to them the stronger their case will be. It really is going to end, and FR/Brookfield will soon have to "employ" pilots and pay the relevant UK employer's taxes etc.
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The noose tightens indeed. Already in France at MRS the contractors were moved out/put on Ryanair contracts a year ago, and now, the UK. There seems also to be a fair amount of recent interest by the Irish authorities to ensure the contractors operating there are "tax compliant".
As you say, this nice little earner (for DD) and money saver (for RYR) is about to dry up. Apart from those who have been "creative" with taxation, it is difficult to see too many tears being shed by the pilot body (many of whom, particularly Cadets, only ended up as "contractors"
by default.)
As you say, this nice little earner (for DD) and money saver (for RYR) is about to dry up. Apart from those who have been "creative" with taxation, it is difficult to see too many tears being shed by the pilot body (many of whom, particularly Cadets, only ended up as "contractors"
by default.)
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Lets hope this does indeed follow through. It's about damn time also I believe. I'm not a knowledgable person regarding tax issues, I can admit that, but it doesnt take a knowledgable person to see there is a leg missing in this body of lies. 
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First of all some info about me. I will start my type rating with RYR during this fall. I'm from Sweden where the market is deader then dead (heard it before). So I'm of course glad to have been offered a place on a RYR type rating. I know about most of the other bad things working for RYR and have accepted it after some hard thinking. But this new contract flips the coin once again....
What should I do about this new contract? I haven't read it myself, will probably get it with very little time left until type rating start so they think I will accept it in panic.
Say I end up based outside the UK or Ireland, can they really force me as an Swedish national to start a company in Ireland?? From earlier posts I understand that no where in the contract it states that you must use one of the three firms?
I have no knowledge about Irish or UK tax laws, where should I look for advice?
I guess the risk is that BRK will see me as an troublemaker and simply no longer offer me a contract at all.
I sincerely apologize for just adding more complaints to this forum (and spelling mistakes), it was not my intention. I just wanted some advice about whom I can turn to..
Thanks Gobnet for your thoughts on the subject!
/ Swing low
). So I'm of course glad to have been offered a place on a RYR type rating. I know about most of the other bad things working for RYR and have accepted it after some hard thinking. But this new contract flips the coin once again....What should I do about this new contract? I haven't read it myself, will probably get it with very little time left until type rating start so they think I will accept it in panic.
Say I end up based outside the UK or Ireland, can they really force me as an Swedish national to start a company in Ireland?? From earlier posts I understand that no where in the contract it states that you must use one of the three firms?
I have no knowledge about Irish or UK tax laws, where should I look for advice?
I guess the risk is that BRK will see me as an troublemaker and simply no longer offer me a contract at all.
I sincerely apologize for just adding more complaints to this forum (and spelling mistakes
), it was not my intention. I just wanted some advice about whom I can turn to.. Thanks Gobnet for your thoughts on the subject!
/ Swing low
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Every day a new Fool
After reading threats for many Years now about RYR....it is the same as it was with McDonalds years ago: Everyone complaint about them and they still opened the Doors every morning and the House is full, now so full that they have to keep it open 24/7.
MOL and his conglomerates find a new Fool every day. Just think about that: They have some shiny Airplanes parked and will add a few more to the parking lot because there would nobody come to fly them anymore? The conditions will be going up as the Irish say and all will be grant..... until the parking lot is empty again and it starts allover again.
Aviation was once a glorious Industry and the People where proud on what they did and who they where. I know alot of Fathers and Mothers who do not want theire Children following theire footsteps anymore. It was diffrent in the 70`s and 80`s. Since the 90`s it changed.
I just talked with some Crew members from Southwest who where with them more then two decades and they also seen the best time gone down the drain. Quo vadis ?
Fly safe and land happy
NG
MOL and his conglomerates find a new Fool every day. Just think about that: They have some shiny Airplanes parked and will add a few more to the parking lot because there would nobody come to fly them anymore? The conditions will be going up as the Irish say and all will be grant..... until the parking lot is empty again and it starts allover again.
Aviation was once a glorious Industry and the People where proud on what they did and who they where. I know alot of Fathers and Mothers who do not want theire Children following theire footsteps anymore. It was diffrent in the 70`s and 80`s. Since the 90`s it changed.
I just talked with some Crew members from Southwest who where with them more then two decades and they also seen the best time gone down the drain. Quo vadis ?
Fly safe and land happy
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Aviation was once a glorious Industry and the People where proud on what they did and who they where.
Best plan yet... meet a partner who can support you in a manner you want to be accustomed to.
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Tax
Swinglow,
As far as I understand from my own investigation, the issue you need to look at is double taxation and taxation treaties. Many European countries have an arrangement by which they undertake not to charge citizens tax twice. In my case, I am a UK resident, but having paid all of my taxes in Ireland, I will not be asked to pay any further tax at home - so I am only taxed once.
My advice to you is to ring the Swedish revenue and ask them for their views on your case.
To answer your other questions on the Irish set-up, I could not nail my balls to the flagpole on this one, but my impression is that the contract we are asked to sign with the mandatory Irish company is absolutely legal. The mandate to use one of the three companies I am not so sure about, but who is going to rock the boat.
Having had my contract for about 3 weeks now, I have given this matter a lot of thought, as far as could. I have also spoken to accountant and solicitor friends. I realise that my views do not match those of everyone else, but I have come to the decision that the "ethics" of what RYR are trying to achieve with this new contract do sit pretty well with me. Had this contract change not been made, I would have run my pilot affairs through my existing off-shore (Channel Island) company, and would have paid a lot less tax. I have surprised myself a little by concluding perhaps it is time to step up and pay my share.
Wally.
As far as I understand from my own investigation, the issue you need to look at is double taxation and taxation treaties. Many European countries have an arrangement by which they undertake not to charge citizens tax twice. In my case, I am a UK resident, but having paid all of my taxes in Ireland, I will not be asked to pay any further tax at home - so I am only taxed once.
My advice to you is to ring the Swedish revenue and ask them for their views on your case.
To answer your other questions on the Irish set-up, I could not nail my balls to the flagpole on this one, but my impression is that the contract we are asked to sign with the mandatory Irish company is absolutely legal. The mandate to use one of the three companies I am not so sure about, but who is going to rock the boat.
Having had my contract for about 3 weeks now, I have given this matter a lot of thought, as far as could. I have also spoken to accountant and solicitor friends. I realise that my views do not match those of everyone else, but I have come to the decision that the "ethics" of what RYR are trying to achieve with this new contract do sit pretty well with me. Had this contract change not been made, I would have run my pilot affairs through my existing off-shore (Channel Island) company, and would have paid a lot less tax. I have surprised myself a little by concluding perhaps it is time to step up and pay my share.
Wally.
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Tax avoidance
Wally,
There are many dubious aspects to this new contract.
The main one which affects you, me and any other UK based, domiciled pilot is this:
1. We are not IR35 compliant, check out the criteria.
2. It is illegal to class oneself as self employed if you live in the UK, work for a UK registered company (Brookfield) and have only one "employer".
3. You are being forced to pay your taxes outside the UK as a means of avoiding IR35 criteria and therefore UK taxes.
The tax authorities are investigating this at a very high level and this practise will be stopped sometime soon. What will happen to us after that is uncertain, but at least we'll be legal.
There are many dubious aspects to this new contract.
The main one which affects you, me and any other UK based, domiciled pilot is this:
1. We are not IR35 compliant, check out the criteria.
2. It is illegal to class oneself as self employed if you live in the UK, work for a UK registered company (Brookfield) and have only one "employer".
3. You are being forced to pay your taxes outside the UK as a means of avoiding IR35 criteria and therefore UK taxes.
The tax authorities are investigating this at a very high level and this practise will be stopped sometime soon. What will happen to us after that is uncertain, but at least we'll be legal.
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Cadet,
I think I understand your point, but if you are right it means I have misunderstood IR35 (which is very possible).
IR35 was the legislation that stopped my IT contracting nearly 10 years ago. It was designed to stop people working, to all intents and purposes, full-time for a single company from minimising their tax bill through a number of long-standing loopholes. The UK revenue introduced IR35 to close many of these and to increase the number of people paying full PAYE UK tax.
The current Brookfield's contract requirement (Irish company and approved accountants) seeks to force people into the Irish revenue PAYE system as though we were full-time employees. I need to understand what problem the UK revenue would have with this, it means the Irish revenue are making us do what IR35 would make us do if we were paying tax in the UK.
Wally
I think I understand your point, but if you are right it means I have misunderstood IR35 (which is very possible).
IR35 was the legislation that stopped my IT contracting nearly 10 years ago. It was designed to stop people working, to all intents and purposes, full-time for a single company from minimising their tax bill through a number of long-standing loopholes. The UK revenue introduced IR35 to close many of these and to increase the number of people paying full PAYE UK tax.
The current Brookfield's contract requirement (Irish company and approved accountants) seeks to force people into the Irish revenue PAYE system as though we were full-time employees. I need to understand what problem the UK revenue would have with this, it means the Irish revenue are making us do what IR35 would make us do if we were paying tax in the UK.
Wally