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Old 26th Dec 2008, 20:19
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goaroundnow,
thanks for confirming what I felt on that note I am going to finish.
For the avoidance of doubt, I wish you well in Sky, I really really hope your spirit is rewarded by continued secure employment, but take care of YOU first & foremost because accountants don't always have the same sentimentality as us stupid romantic pilots. If your company does make some money, please ask them to continue painting the aircraft in "special" schemes

It is dissapointing sometimes to have people question your motives particularly when they don't know your actual circumstances. The pilots from Sky who have contributed here sound like the sort of people I would appreciate to work with. . . I wish you, and all in my profession the best. It is not because the Boss of RYR is viewed as some sort of Shark with horns on his head that all of his employees are of the same mentality. We are all, more or less , in the same crap in this profession, but some are so paranoid that they see everyone not in their camp as some parisitic alien just waiting for them to go bust. Nothing could be further from the truth. When a company goes bust it is the same as an accident, anyone with a modicum of imagination thinks "phew there but for the grace of God."

Happy landings (the same number of them as the T/O's unless you like parachuting ) and many of them, for 2009, hope that this time next year we are all still employed.
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So when people fly for non/delayed paying airlines, is the hours under your belt on the aircraft important or is about loyalty?
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Agreed, lets have this thread closed, it shouldnt of been started in the first place.

AT a time when there are so many failures such a thread is pure mischief making. The title says it all.

It wouldnt suprise me if playstation was the one who suggested the dispicable logo on that RYR airframe!
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Post 3 & Post 6, the end of the second paragraph on post 19, and on a personal note, the end of post 78.
Good night, don't forget spell-check after a few glasses.
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on that note I am going to finish.
not quite eh?
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Troubled central European budget carrier SkyEurope Airlines has had six of its aircraft taken back by US lessor GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS), although the airline says it has struck two financial deals and is continuing to operate.
Last month SkyEurope said it was working to resolve a payment default with GECAS which, according to Flight's ACAS database, owns most of its 14 Boeing 737-700 aircraft.
Today SkyEurope says GECAS terminated the lease of six aircraft with effect from 8 January. It adds: "The aircraft have been returned to GECAS. The aircraft capacity has been replaced and SkyEurope continues to operate all scheduled flights
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So what DOES the future hold?

Hello all,

Have been busy reading through all your contributions trying to figure out what the future DOES (or doesn't) hold for good old SkyEurope.

I was one of the many who experienced lack of planes coming back to the UK after X-mas this year in Jan. Flew with some Croatian plane instead, running a couple of hours late, etc. Have to say, I didn't mind, as long as I got to the other side safely. (Was a bit of an Indiana Jones plane)

However, what does this mean? Will all of the beautiful SkyEurope planes go, and with them the company name with it just simply ceasing to exist? Or is it just getting worse before it gets better?

Anyone got any helpful statistics, answers, reports? Please, do let me know, I am a very frequent SkyEurope flyer, (but that's all I am, a simple student, no pilot, no air-stewardess) plus these things obviously aren't publicly published on the official SkyEurope website, hence am feeling a little clueless...

Thank you for any contributions...

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Overview of the current situation at Sky Europe

Hello,

Facts concerning the current situation at Sky Europe:
1) The company still owes its employees some salaries from 09/2008 (now we have 06/2009, so it is over 9 months that the salaries are not fully paid). For the vast majority of flight crews the amounts owed by the company are around 50% from each monthly salary beginning from 09/2008!

2) Salaries for 10/2009 - the same applies as above. To this day the vast majority of the employees have not received the 10/2008 salaries in full (still about 50% owed by the company). The 50% of the 10/2008 salary that was already paid has been paid in the second half of 12/2008.

3) At the initiative of the management, the employees were asked to defer 50% of their 09/2008 and 10/2008 salaries until 03/2009 and 04/2009, respectively. So I have to say, that the employees have voluntarily agreed not to receive the full salaries for 09/2008 and 10/2008 at that time, provided they will receive the deferred amounts in the spring of 2009. Obviously those deferred salaries have not been paid to the employees to this day as agreed. Employees have made the decision (to defer parts of their salaries) back in 2008 when they had absolutely no idea that all of the subsequent salaries will be also deferred against their will and that the deferred payment will not be paid-out to them for as long as 06/2009.

4) Salary for 11/2008 - not paid out at all. Salary for 12/2008 paid in full, sometime at the end of January once the employee unrest and their pressure on the management started to build-up. Hence, we can say that for the months of 11/2008 and 12/2008 on average again only 50% were paid-out.

5) Starting with 01/2009 the company informed its employees that a new payment scheme is being implemented (obviously without even trying to obtain the consent of the employees). The strange scheme consists of the company's attempt to pay-out 50% of the monthly salary of each employee in 4 installments - basically amounting to 1/8th of the salary being paid every week, as the cash flow (passengers pre-paying the tickets for the summer season) permits. The payments arrive on the employee's bank accounts with a relatively high degree of irregularity of +/- several days, sometimes a week is skipped, etc... However, it is true that this scheme allowed a little bit of stabilization and allowed at least a minimum degree of financial predictability in terms of earnings for the employees. Second issue is, that the amounts paid to employees in some cases of the regular cabin-crews amounted to as little as < hundred euros a week.

6) Therefore, those that are hit by the situation the most are the cabin crews, who are forced to live on 1/8th of their salary a week. Payments of per-diems, that form a significant portion of the salaries of the cabin-crews are of course not getting paid for severals moths at a time (last info that I had from last week is that 01/2009 per-diems have not been paid yet).

7) Due to the fact that the company was not fulfilling its financial obligations to its employees many experienced people have left the company, especially the cabin-crews. Unfortunately they had no possibility to take a loan from their parents or the bank to carry-on with their job. The company solved this by hiring new cabin-crews and running them through an accelerated course. Upgrades to Pursers are being made from people, that would otherwise not have a chance to be upgraded considering their relatively loew total experience for a Purser position.

8) Last Wednesday (03-June) the company organized an official ceremonious event here in Prague, during which the latest cabin crew course has been welcomed into the company. I think it is a really nice thing to do for the new employees, but only if it took place for example in the company's office, considering the company's current financial situation. But no, instead it was hosted in one of the most expensive restaurants in Prague's downtown on the Kampa island! So the company claims not to have money to pay the employees, while at the same time it is hosting a party in a very expensive luxury restaurant, sticking to old motto of the CEO (Jason Bitter) "Do not worry, company pays..."...

9) Just to illustrate the level of the salaries issue - some cabin crew employees are owed amounts in the scope of >4.000 Euro/person, while many pilots are owed salaries in the amounts of >30.000 Euso/person! It basically coemes down to the fact, that most of the crews are getting only 50% of their salaries beginning from 09/2008!


Facts concerning the overall situation:
1) Debts wherever one looks. Employee salaries owed for over 9 months of operations; almost 2.5mil Euros owed to the Slovak Government in social security payments the company is required to deduct from the employee salaries; >1mil Euros owed to customers in ticket refunds due to canceled flights and I do not even try to guess the amounts owed to Eurocontrol and to individual airports for the landing and handling fees. Companies that are owed large sums of money by Sky Europe, as well as former employees who are still unpaid, have already started preparing legal steps to send the company into bankruptcy sooner than the management thinks. Articles in the Czech and Slovak media are starting to appear, shedding more light on the company's situation and starting to count the endless amounts of the company's unpaid debts: Veritele uhani SkyEurope, dluzi miliony korun - iDNES.cz / Creditors are hunting-down Sky Europe - being owed millions of Czech Crowns

2) The crews are intelligent people, therefore most of them can put 2 and 2 together. Once they did that and open their eyes to the facts and to the behavior of the management, they realize that there is not a chance Sky will survive beyond this summer season without the help of an outside investor. Now tell me who would want to invest in a company with assets of approx. MINUS 100 million Euros. This does not add to the motivation of the crews and the overall mood inside the company is quite dull.

3) I have to admit that the management did a good job in handling the crisis that arose due to the leasing company repossession of 6 NG beginning of this year. However, the airplanes that are slowly replacing the wet-leased ones (following the repossession of 6 NGs by GECAS) are in most cases 20-year old pieces that were scrambled by the company from the desert storage in the US - pieces that were already discarded from the fleet of United Airlines. The company does not even deal with such issues that they still keep the US setup of the on-board systems - everything is in pounds instead in kilograms, including the FMS masses and FUEL gauges. When pilots are used to operate in kilograms on one airplane and in pounds on another one, it does not add to the overall safety levels of operations. Especially with the crews being under s lot of constant stress during the last 9 months of operations - constantly worrying how much of their salary they will receive this time; if they will be able to pay their mortgage; how long will this situation carry on, etc...

4) Mass exodus of qualified crew members - both flight and cabin. In March the company saw a resignation of the PRG Base Chief Captain and the Chief of the Cabin Crews, followed by the resignation of the company's Chief Pilot in April - well, I would not want to have their responsibility for the miss-management of the company on my shoulders either.

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Please see my answer in the ROUTE Forum SKYEUROPE.
Bluebat....If i were you i would use your last 10 UNFIT days in a more constructive way..flying your pa 38 for example or look for another job.
I understand the situation is hard but please dont write false information, it doesnt help your case nor your colleagues who are still working.
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Absolutely no false info has been said!

To Skyeuropecapt:

I understand that you may feel unhappy about my previous post. However, I stand very firm behind all of my claims. I have not mentioned a single false piece of information!

1) As you have admitted yourself, the information concerning the salaries is all true.

2) The information posted by me concerning the replacement classics was limited to the statement of several facts. I did not elaborate further than those facts:


the airplanes that are slowly replacing the wet-leased ones (following the repossession of 6 NGs by GECAS) are in most cases 20-year old pieces that were scrambled by the company from the desert storage in the US - pieces that were already discarded from the fleet of United Airlines. The company does not even deal with such issues that they still keep the US setup of the on-board systems - everything is in pounds instead in kilograms, including the FMS masses and FUEL gauges. When pilots are used to operate in kilograms on one airplane and in pounds on another one, it does not add to the overall safety levels of operations. Especially with the crews being under s lot of constant stress during the last 9 months of operations - constantly worrying how much of their salary they will receive this time; if they will be able to pay their mortgage; how long will this situation carry on, etc...

As you can see from my post I have not used the word "junk" or "dangerous" or "unsafe". I have merely said that some of them have been pulled out of the desert storage - is this a false statement in your opinion? The fact if I have flown these airplanes or not is completely irrelevant of the facts that I have stated.

As far as the pound system - did I say that the crews are lost and can not cope with it? Did I say anything false? Again, I do not think so. Since you have been flying commercially for a long time, you must be fully aware of the "swiss cheese" concept when it comes to the causes of aircraft accidents. You can not argue your case with anyone, that the pound system used on some Sky Europe airplanes DOES create another POTENTIAL hole in the concept of the safety of the operations. Of course the crews are intelligent people and will be able to cope with it on everyday basis, but in the overall view it does reduce the safety and it is an issue that can be eliminated should there be sufficient will of the management and sufficient finances. It all simply comes down to the fact that statistically there IS an increased potential for error, leading to a potential more serious issue.

The same goes for my claim that the increased stress on board does not help the safety of operations. Again - I am not saying that an airplane is going to crash tomorrow because of this, but it simply and inarguably creates another hole in the swiss-cheese model, which, if lined up with another hole, brings the flight closer to an incident or accident if other factors are involved.

I do not understand your sentence:
YOU have decided to be UNFIT, if you decide to leave i wont blame you either but PLEASE dont send unfounded info.
I have not decided to be UNFIT - I have decided to leave the company at the end of April. I did my share of flying for free, I did participate on the Sept/Oct concessions. I have simply decided that I do not trust the management that they can lead the company out of the crisis. I have realized that I do not like the way the management behaves towards its own employees when they are the ones who basically allowed the company to survive the winter. I have decided that I have had enough of the management's arrogance and lack of communication, etc etc... I could go on.

With all of the above said it does not mean that I have any hard feelings against the people who have stayed. I have spent several wonderful years with the company and have many nice memories. I wish every Sky employee the best - I wish them that their decision to believe in the competence of the management turned out to be a good one in the long run. I do not want to get involved with the company's internal issues - if the employees are receiving salaries or not is none of my business any more.

But at the same time I can not simply allow the management carry on treating the FORMER employees, including myself, in the same way as they are doing now. It is unacceptable, that the company completely stops paying-out even the small installments of owed salaries to its former employees once they leave the company. Former employees do not care what the company needs to pay first and why. Former employees want to be treated in the same way as the current employees - we have given Sky Europe our share of effort and sacrifice as anybody else. Are we bad because we have decided that enough is enough and we left? Do we not deserve to keep on receiving the small salary installments until the company's moral and legal obligations are repaid to us? I do not know how it is in your base (Bratislava I assume?), but there are simply too many former employees to whom the company stopped re-paying their back-log of salaries on the day they have submitted their resignation. Is this fair?

Are you calling my actions unfair even in spite of the fact that I have personally spoken to Jason and kindly asked him to resume repaying the owed salaries to the former employees - I have even discussed an acceptable re-payment plan over a period of time. But how did Jason respond to such requests and proposals? In his own natural way - he simply put his head into the sand just like an ostrich does and never even responded. When the management shows absolutely no effort to try to come to an agreement concerning its legal obligations and completely ignores us, what do you suggest would be a "fair" treatment then? And do not mention filing a law-suit when everyone is aware of the fact, that without an investor the company is not going to be here within 3 months.

The media attention that Sky Europe is now starting to get is not a result of someone going crazy, but merely a logical consequence of the management's behavior and its absolute lack of interest in dealing with its obligations.

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