Sky Europe no salaries ? true or false ?
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PeterPaul, could I just point out A - this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with Ryanair, so stop muddying the waters and trying to find machievellian reasons for the thread ,or the title of the thread. I could explain to you why, in relation to my circumstances, but it is none of your business.
B - I don't think your understanding of English ( or the subtelties contained within ) really allow you to pass comment on my (or indeed others such as jjflyer's ) contributions. In short, as we say, I think you have the wrong end of the stick, and are trying too hard to "prove" your interpretation of the reason for this thread at the expense of trying to understand what we are saying. Still, your English is still 1000 times better than my Greek
goaroundnow, our posts crossed and as I reviewed mine yours was arriving. Rest assured that your attitude will stand you in good stead for the future, even if in a worst case scenario it ultimately fails to save your company. I hope you are not being taken advantage ,of but at least worst comes to worst you can say " well at least I personally did all I could to save my position". I totally agree, better to accept concessions to try and continue with something you enjoy than to throw your toys out the pram & have no job
as practiced by Sabena Alitalia and all the other dinosaurs.
B - I don't think your understanding of English ( or the subtelties contained within ) really allow you to pass comment on my (or indeed others such as jjflyer's ) contributions. In short, as we say, I think you have the wrong end of the stick, and are trying too hard to "prove" your interpretation of the reason for this thread at the expense of trying to understand what we are saying. Still, your English is still 1000 times better than my Greek
goaroundnow, our posts crossed and as I reviewed mine yours was arriving. Rest assured that your attitude will stand you in good stead for the future, even if in a worst case scenario it ultimately fails to save your company. I hope you are not being taken advantage ,of but at least worst comes to worst you can say " well at least I personally did all I could to save my position". I totally agree, better to accept concessions to try and continue with something you enjoy than to throw your toys out the pram & have no job
as practiced by Sabena Alitalia and all the other dinosaurs.
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Dear PeterPaul
It appears that Queens english is not your native language, it is not mine either. However this in mind urge you to read my posts very carefully again and you might find that I have absolutely no desire to bring down SkyEurope. I have not bashed SkyEurope in any way or have I? Nor do I like the business model of Ryanair or MOL in particular.
You seem to mix business model and WORK ENVIROMENT two totally different areas.
So be a nice chap and forget the godly revelations, Malevolance (What a fine word),magic and great explanations for a sec and have a look at my previous posts on the subject. You might find that I quite understand nightfire is talking about.
Just to put it straight. I don't work for SkyEurope, nor do I want to. I know people that work there or have worked. I do NOT wish that they go out of business and I don't want to see anyone unepmloyed. I hope the best for them. Does this make it clear???? I simply commented the issue about work conditions and salaries.
I need a beer now. End of information "Juliet"
It appears that Queens english is not your native language, it is not mine either. However this in mind urge you to read my posts very carefully again and you might find that I have absolutely no desire to bring down SkyEurope. I have not bashed SkyEurope in any way or have I? Nor do I like the business model of Ryanair or MOL in particular.
You seem to mix business model and WORK ENVIROMENT two totally different areas.
So be a nice chap and forget the godly revelations, Malevolance (What a fine word),magic and great explanations for a sec and have a look at my previous posts on the subject. You might find that I quite understand nightfire is talking about.
Just to put it straight. I don't work for SkyEurope, nor do I want to. I know people that work there or have worked. I do NOT wish that they go out of business and I don't want to see anyone unepmloyed. I hope the best for them. Does this make it clear???? I simply commented the issue about work conditions and salaries.
I need a beer now. End of information "Juliet"
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Hello, the twins! (You are not related, are you).
I didn't think that dexterity in language is an obstacle in understanding of meanings, I thought just the opposite.
BTW, what is your native language? Or this
proves something?
OK now, you can inform supervisors "sidestepping the issue, not successful".
Down to the real issue here.
I read in press that posting in forums is marketed at US$ 10-20 per post. Do you think it's fair? If you are really interested, I can give you links (or you never knew this exists, eh?).
Sorry I cannot write you similar majestically inspired comments as other flight crew members have done here, to counter professional dull posting.
I didn't think that dexterity in language is an obstacle in understanding of meanings, I thought just the opposite.
BTW, what is your native language? Or this
captplaystation
or the subtelties contained within
or the subtelties contained within
OK now, you can inform supervisors "sidestepping the issue, not successful".
Down to the real issue here.
I read in press that posting in forums is marketed at US$ 10-20 per post. Do you think it's fair? If you are really interested, I can give you links (or you never knew this exists, eh?).
Sorry I cannot write you similar majestically inspired comments as other flight crew members have done here, to counter professional dull posting.
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Me, I give up. I think those that work for SkyEurope, & jjflyer, know what I meant. Life is apparently too short to express myself correctly for everyone to understand. 
Incidentaly Peter Paul, if we are talking hidden agendas, all of your posts (and at 13 there aren't so many of them) are either Ryanair bashing or defending SkyEurope with a bit of Ryanair bashing mixed in for good measure . So what tell, am I to make of your motivation for joining this debate. As a pilot working in the low cost environment I know my interest, perhaps you would like to justify yours. As I said it makes absolutely no difference to my life what happens to Sky, I would be sad to see people losing their jobs, as I would be with any company closing down, but pray, what exactly is your motivation here if we are talking Sky ? or is just an excuse to start yet another "MOL is the devil incarnate" thread.
Incidentaly Peter Paul, if we are talking hidden agendas, all of your posts (and at 13 there aren't so many of them) are either Ryanair bashing or defending SkyEurope with a bit of Ryanair bashing mixed in for good measure . So what tell, am I to make of your motivation for joining this debate. As a pilot working in the low cost environment I know my interest, perhaps you would like to justify yours. As I said it makes absolutely no difference to my life what happens to Sky, I would be sad to see people losing their jobs, as I would be with any company closing down, but pray, what exactly is your motivation here if we are talking Sky ? or is just an excuse to start yet another "MOL is the devil incarnate" thread.
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I think it is SAD that other airlines crews or people who are interested in aviation start discussions such as this one.
As pointed out, it only affects negatively the people directly concerned (Skyeurope and employees).
An argument was that it is bad for the industry as a whole if one airline doesnt pay their crews on time..as others may do the same.
Well others do , others are forcing pilots to take unpaid leave(skyeurope doesnt), some make you pay for your type rating (skyeurope doesnt),some make their pilots change base as they wish while the crews are paying for the hotel bills(skyeurope doesnt),some airlines make the pilots PAY to register their CV(Skyeurope doesnt),some airlines furloughed pilots since the summer(Skyeurope hasnt) and i can go on and on..
The point is im trying to make is that threads like this arent helping the industry nor your fellow crews, or even you if qualified crews join the market of job search and believe me many have JAR licences..ready to take the job in your country.
This will be my last post here since by writing in this thread makes it even more viewed by the public.
I believe our passengers are satisfied with our service and i thank nightfire for his earlier comments.
Merry XMAS
As pointed out, it only affects negatively the people directly concerned (Skyeurope and employees).
An argument was that it is bad for the industry as a whole if one airline doesnt pay their crews on time..as others may do the same.
Well others do , others are forcing pilots to take unpaid leave(skyeurope doesnt), some make you pay for your type rating (skyeurope doesnt),some make their pilots change base as they wish while the crews are paying for the hotel bills(skyeurope doesnt),some airlines make the pilots PAY to register their CV(Skyeurope doesnt),some airlines furloughed pilots since the summer(Skyeurope hasnt) and i can go on and on..
The point is im trying to make is that threads like this arent helping the industry nor your fellow crews, or even you if qualified crews join the market of job search and believe me many have JAR licences..ready to take the job in your country.
This will be my last post here since by writing in this thread makes it even more viewed by the public.
I believe our passengers are satisfied with our service and i thank nightfire for his earlier comments.
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skyeuropepilot,
When threads are started pointing out all the bad things Ryanair have done, Ryanair pilots don't come on here asking it be swept under the carpet, because we are loyal & only helping the company etc etc. On the contrary most of us prefer this info is available to anyone looking to join so they can make an informed choice whether they wish to join & accept this regime, or otherwise. By trying to stifle debate you just enflame it, as people wonder why you don't want it known what is going on. Me I think it is sad you want it hidden, can you imagine the outcry if Ryanair paid late & we all came on here and denied it ?
You can say it isn't our business, well, none of us truly knows when we will next need a new job and I believe it is fair to know what companies get up to . If this website can facilitate this all well and good, if it is totally untrue how come some have said well it's not completely true/ not quite like that etc.
We can read reviews (if we choose) of everything in life before commiting, a potential employer should be no different. Hiding the bad news doesn't make it go away.
When threads are started pointing out all the bad things Ryanair have done, Ryanair pilots don't come on here asking it be swept under the carpet, because we are loyal & only helping the company etc etc. On the contrary most of us prefer this info is available to anyone looking to join so they can make an informed choice whether they wish to join & accept this regime, or otherwise. By trying to stifle debate you just enflame it, as people wonder why you don't want it known what is going on. Me I think it is sad you want it hidden, can you imagine the outcry if Ryanair paid late & we all came on here and denied it ?
You can say it isn't our business, well, none of us truly knows when we will next need a new job and I believe it is fair to know what companies get up to . If this website can facilitate this all well and good, if it is totally untrue how come some have said well it's not completely true/ not quite like that etc.
We can read reviews (if we choose) of everything in life before commiting, a potential employer should be no different. Hiding the bad news doesn't make it go away.
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Skyeuropepilot,
incidentally i know a few guys who worked for Sky both as Capt.'s and F/O's, they are from different nationalities including locals (czechs or slovaks) and are now working elsewhere for different outfits.
Well the stories they tell are a bit different from the "perfect world" you are picturing and range from low salaries (when paid on time that is), to positioning taxi rides from BTS to KRK with 6 people stuffed in car for 5, to substandard hotels booked in the middle of nowhere close to the BTS airport,to pretty lousy flying practeces (I still laugh recalling the story of that instructor called "the cobra" due to his famous maneuver during a G/A resembling the one made by the russian fighter pilots during flight displays) and so on....
Not really an airline that can set standards.
P.S.: when you talk about moving people from base to base are you referring to RYR or to your own outfit with the KRK or BUD bases?
incidentally i know a few guys who worked for Sky both as Capt.'s and F/O's, they are from different nationalities including locals (czechs or slovaks) and are now working elsewhere for different outfits.
Well the stories they tell are a bit different from the "perfect world" you are picturing and range from low salaries (when paid on time that is), to positioning taxi rides from BTS to KRK with 6 people stuffed in car for 5, to substandard hotels booked in the middle of nowhere close to the BTS airport,to pretty lousy flying practeces (I still laugh recalling the story of that instructor called "the cobra" due to his famous maneuver during a G/A resembling the one made by the russian fighter pilots during flight displays) and so on....
Not really an airline that can set standards.
P.S.: when you talk about moving people from base to base are you referring to RYR or to your own outfit with the KRK or BUD bases?
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Despite all this don't you think that the SkyEurope airplanes are pretty?!!
captplaystation ... thanks for your praise.
I don't think this thread is "bashing" SkyEurope. I am not sure there's much to bash. In terms of business they are really not a threat to Ryanair, EasyJet etc..
All airlines do things differently. That includes, I suppose, how they cope with problems. Unpaid for leave, for example, might mean not working for free but it still means no income for a month. SkyEurope might pay for type ratings (God knows why - they wouldn't need to to find pilots) but that hasn't exactly contributed postively to their bottom line!!
We really cannot compare except that the airlines mentioned here are generally "low-cost."
I will repeat again, though, I strongly believe that nothing that has gone at SkyEurope recently; i) will affect others in the long run or ii) is anything new (in this industry.)
I am just going to add this (as an edit) in response to the post above. I really don't think we need to start going down the road of critiscm of SkyEurope. I am sure you can find equally "bad" stories from almost all airlines. I am not sure these (that you refer to) are true but one thing definitely is; with regards to flight safety there is NOTHING wrong with SkyEurope and it would be very unfair to suggest otherwise.
captplaystation ... thanks for your praise.
I don't think this thread is "bashing" SkyEurope. I am not sure there's much to bash. In terms of business they are really not a threat to Ryanair, EasyJet etc..
All airlines do things differently. That includes, I suppose, how they cope with problems. Unpaid for leave, for example, might mean not working for free but it still means no income for a month. SkyEurope might pay for type ratings (God knows why - they wouldn't need to to find pilots) but that hasn't exactly contributed postively to their bottom line!!
We really cannot compare except that the airlines mentioned here are generally "low-cost."
I will repeat again, though, I strongly believe that nothing that has gone at SkyEurope recently; i) will affect others in the long run or ii) is anything new (in this industry.)
I am just going to add this (as an edit) in response to the post above. I really don't think we need to start going down the road of critiscm of SkyEurope. I am sure you can find equally "bad" stories from almost all airlines. I am not sure these (that you refer to) are true but one thing definitely is; with regards to flight safety there is NOTHING wrong with SkyEurope and it would be very unfair to suggest otherwise.
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Captplaystation,
I just think SAD that pilots write these kind of posts whether it is against skyeurope , ryan air , Jet2 bust (pilots did ask the thread to be removed)or any other airline...
I didnt say it should be hidden or not written.i do believe in freedom of speach:-) but such info is irrelevant to any person even in these times since you must understand sky europe isnt hiring,and it is the first time skyeurope ever delayed the salaries.(due to the earlier difficult financial situations).
I dont agree with threads against ryan air eventhough i wouldnt like to fly for them for what his boss is representing(ie byebye skyeurope/air italia).I HAVE NOTHING against ryan employees, i have friends working for them.but some of my example came from ryan air wrong doings ..maybe because of the same freedom of speech
However i dont believe the thread was started about #Skyeurope Terms and conditions#...but many can interpret this in many ways..
I just think SAD that pilots write these kind of posts whether it is against skyeurope , ryan air , Jet2 bust (pilots did ask the thread to be removed)or any other airline...
I didnt say it should be hidden or not written.i do believe in freedom of speach:-) but such info is irrelevant to any person even in these times since you must understand sky europe isnt hiring,and it is the first time skyeurope ever delayed the salaries.(due to the earlier difficult financial situations).
I dont agree with threads against ryan air eventhough i wouldnt like to fly for them for what his boss is representing(ie byebye skyeurope/air italia).I HAVE NOTHING against ryan employees, i have friends working for them.but some of my example came from ryan air wrong doings ..maybe because of the same freedom of speech
However i dont believe the thread was started about #Skyeurope Terms and conditions#...but many can interpret this in many ways..
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yes definitely much easier on the eye than the cr@p written on the side of the blue & yellow ones. Everytime I was in BTS it was only the "standard" colour scheme parked on the apron. Never got to see the one with Adriana or Miss Slovakia? ( the 2nd cute one)
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6 people crammed into a car designed for 5. . . . . Hmn having seen your CC that sounds just fine as long as I can get the middle seat in the back & the F/O stays in the front with the driver.
skyeuropepilot, I am running out of words to convince you (and it IS my native language) no bad intentions intended, honestly,
Happy Christmas and all good wishes for 2009.
yes definitely much easier on the eye than the cr@p written on the side of the blue & yellow ones. Everytime I was in BTS it was only the "standard" colour scheme parked on the apron. Never got to see the one with Adriana or Miss Slovakia? ( the 2nd cute one)
maybepilot
6 people crammed into a car designed for 5. . . . . Hmn having seen your CC that sounds just fine as long as I can get the middle seat in the back & the F/O stays in the front with the driver.
skyeuropepilot, I am running out of words to convince you (and it IS my native language) no bad intentions intended, honestly,
Happy Christmas and all good wishes for 2009.
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Maybepilot,
A pilot named cobra??tell me more..havent heard that one..please if you are not working in skyeurope keep your stories for the pub.I am not interested.
Low salaries?5 years ago maybe. FOs have 3-4000 euros net ,captains from 6 to 9000 euro net depending on credited hours and hours flown.training cobras even more.
KRK and BUD bases dont exist anymore.Only transport to vienna with very nice limousine service:-)mercedes that is..
The hotel booked in BTS (****ty place i admit) BUT was paid by the company for pilots who just arrived after being succesful at the interview..they had the choice to pay the CARLTON if they wished so.
Do low costs airlines we are talking about pay you anything more than the salary when you come to your new base? a temporary change of base from the employment contract paid 600 euros/month on top of the first 2 weeks of paid hotel to allow time to find a proper accomodation.
When the crews had to fly from warsaw , we were staying at the Airport Marriot,in Krakow(holiday INN) and in BUdapest i forgot the name but it had sauna and swimming pool..far from a penzion:-)
Concerning MAYBEPILOT s comment about skyeurope inability to set flying standards is idioistic especially when you have never flown here.But that tells me a lot from you and im not interested to further on this.
Captplaystation..i know and merry xmas to you and all:-)
A pilot named cobra??tell me more..havent heard that one..please if you are not working in skyeurope keep your stories for the pub.I am not interested.
Low salaries?5 years ago maybe. FOs have 3-4000 euros net ,captains from 6 to 9000 euro net depending on credited hours and hours flown.training cobras even more.
KRK and BUD bases dont exist anymore.Only transport to vienna with very nice limousine service:-)mercedes that is..
The hotel booked in BTS (****ty place i admit) BUT was paid by the company for pilots who just arrived after being succesful at the interview..they had the choice to pay the CARLTON if they wished so.
Do low costs airlines we are talking about pay you anything more than the salary when you come to your new base? a temporary change of base from the employment contract paid 600 euros/month on top of the first 2 weeks of paid hotel to allow time to find a proper accomodation.
When the crews had to fly from warsaw , we were staying at the Airport Marriot,in Krakow(holiday INN) and in BUdapest i forgot the name but it had sauna and swimming pool..far from a penzion:-)
Concerning MAYBEPILOT s comment about skyeurope inability to set flying standards is idioistic especially when you have never flown here.But that tells me a lot from you and im not interested to further on this.
Captplaystation..i know and merry xmas to you and all:-)
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Always open to a good offer
All the best, we crossed posts again, busy adding to my previous effort
P.S, give my best regards to Jacob Jonker ( if he did indeed come back to you from RYR ) I'm the Scottish one in GRO.
Always open to a good offer
All the best, we crossed posts again, busy adding to my previous effort
P.S, give my best regards to Jacob Jonker ( if he did indeed come back to you from RYR ) I'm the Scottish one in GRO.
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Sorry, another long reply. It'll probably be my last.
Well the stories they tell are a bit different from the "perfect world" you are picturing and range from low salaries (when paid on time that is), to positioning taxi rides from BTS to KRK with 6 people stuffed in car for 5, to substandard hotels booked in the middle of nowhere close to the BTS airport,
Depending also on the circumstances. For example, in Praha I preferred to stay in a cheap (but clean) pension just five walking minutes from the simulator, rather than having to ride a taxi for 45 minutes each way in the middle of the night.
I can't say anything about the overloaded Taxis. Maybe that happened, I don't know, it never happened to me.
As for the low salaries and all, well, I can speak for myself and probably for dozens of other guys meanwhile, who were taken as low-timers and beginners. We got our chance from SkyEurope during a time, where no other company would even bother to answer my applications with a "no". SkyEurope took me anyway, and I bet you my (on-time-paid) salary of this month, that right now again very many people would be delighted to join the Sky-team.
The normal thing was that salaries always arrived on time, and it will continue to be the normal thing. As long as those planes continue to fly, SkyEuropeans will make their living.
to pretty lousy flying practeces (I still laugh recalling the story of that instructor called "the cobra" due to his famous maneuver during a G/A resembling the one made by the russian fighter pilots during flight displays) and so on....
Excuse me if I'm being nostalgic, but compared to Air Berlin, SkyEurope was paradise. And I really mean that.
Not really an airline that can set standards.
So which other airline will set standards for everyone else then? Don't forget, this is a Low Cost carrier, so compare it not with Emirates, Cathay Pacific or American Airlines. Mind you, they are all in their own difficulties right now, too.
I'm absolutely sure those Captains and First Officers whom you know benefited very well from SkyEurope during the time that they were there - they probably did not mention that to you, did they.
Where did that Captain presumeably get his upgrading, and how much did he earn per month during the last summer of 2008?
With how many hours did the First Oficer join at that time, and how long was his bondage, in return for his training? Zero, by any chance?
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skyeuropepilot,
The above comments tell alot about you my dear friend...you should have not posted here again since you "are not interested"....instead you are still here and seem very interested.
Given your interest I will give you a couple more hints on 'the cobra": what about a go around made in Bergamo by Capt. Kal....?
KRK and BUD were closed and crews HAD to move alsewhere WITHOUT choice, then when Hungarian crews were to live in BTS there even were racist issues felt by some.
As far as the numbers you have given they are strangely higher than what i have been told by people who left this past summer and who were making considerably less than what you say.
By the way one of the training cobras (one of the highest in the hierarchy scale) is an old friend of mine and he's making around 8-9k in a good month.....if at all paid of course.
Hey skypilot, no bad feelings in the end i have sympathy for you guys.
A bit less for those who don't pay their employees.
This will be my last post here since by writing in this thread makes it even more viewed by the public.
But that tells me a lot from you and im not interested to further on this.
Given your interest I will give you a couple more hints on 'the cobra": what about a go around made in Bergamo by Capt. Kal....?
KRK and BUD were closed and crews HAD to move alsewhere WITHOUT choice, then when Hungarian crews were to live in BTS there even were racist issues felt by some.
As far as the numbers you have given they are strangely higher than what i have been told by people who left this past summer and who were making considerably less than what you say.
By the way one of the training cobras (one of the highest in the hierarchy scale) is an old friend of mine and he's making around 8-9k in a good month.....if at all paid of course.
Hey skypilot, no bad feelings in the end i have sympathy for you guys.
A bit less for those who don't pay their employees.
I doubt whether pilots in any other European loco company would ever work on their OFF-days, use their private cars for commuting between bases, do voluntary office-work, or stuff like that.
If not, saftey WAS being breached in the name of ecconomic expediency.
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This has really got off point.
Surely we are not going to get on the Hungarian Crew and racism thing again.
All airlines have bad pilots and incidents.
We could mention pilots flying into mountains, losing spatial awareness or more recently landing at the wrong airport etc. It happens. If the worse thing that SkyEurope can report (or be gossiped about) is a dodgy go-around then they can't be doing too badly.
Like I said before it's unfair to report on these things, it really could give SkyEurope a very undeserved bad name (for safety) ... and all because somebody asked about salaries. How are the two connected?
Any base transfer, extra work I have done etc HAS been counted as duty. It hows clearly on my roster. In fact, when I have asked to have rest reduced so that I can fly what I want and not have my roster disrupted (due slight delays etc) it has been an emphatic NO from crew control (even for the sake of 5 minutes.) So, thanks for trying to plant another seed of "safety" doubt into people's minds but it doesn't happen at SkyEurope. Safety is not compromised!
Finally, to answer the thread "skyeurope no salaries? true or false?" FALSE
Surely we are not going to get on the Hungarian Crew and racism thing again.
All airlines have bad pilots and incidents.
We could mention pilots flying into mountains, losing spatial awareness or more recently landing at the wrong airport etc. It happens. If the worse thing that SkyEurope can report (or be gossiped about) is a dodgy go-around then they can't be doing too badly.
Like I said before it's unfair to report on these things, it really could give SkyEurope a very undeserved bad name (for safety) ... and all because somebody asked about salaries. How are the two connected?
Any base transfer, extra work I have done etc HAS been counted as duty. It hows clearly on my roster. In fact, when I have asked to have rest reduced so that I can fly what I want and not have my roster disrupted (due slight delays etc) it has been an emphatic NO from crew control (even for the sake of 5 minutes.) So, thanks for trying to plant another seed of "safety" doubt into people's minds but it doesn't happen at SkyEurope. Safety is not compromised!
Finally, to answer the thread "skyeurope no salaries? true or false?" FALSE
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Maybe you sometimes did not spend all your rest-time in bed yourself either, but went out and did some other stuff, then slept for five hours before going on an early-morning flight on a day with four sectors?
Come on, don't be ridiculous. Whatever people decide to do during their own time is nobody else's business. Whether you do sports, take care of your children, do some urgent businesses around town, lie in bed or sit in an office is up to you. I never violated my maximum duty time ever, in my whole life.
Are you just trying to find some problem here?
Anyway, I said all that I had to say about SkyEurope. Go on and rant about it if you like. I regret nothing.
Come on, don't be ridiculous. Whatever people decide to do during their own time is nobody else's business. Whether you do sports, take care of your children, do some urgent businesses around town, lie in bed or sit in an office is up to you. I never violated my maximum duty time ever, in my whole life.
Are you just trying to find some problem here?
Anyway, I said all that I had to say about SkyEurope. Go on and rant about it if you like. I regret nothing.
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I think you will find that many management pilots do office duties that are never recorded anywhere in much bigger carriers than SkyEurope, & tacitly accepted this when they took the position.
As for commuting between bases, how many pilots do it voluntarily in their own time to live where they want & say nothing. Anyway, is it really any different to a guy stuck in his car for two hours trying to go from one side of London to the other on the M25 because he chooses to live there.
Anyway this is a whole different subject, and if these guys volunteered to do it, they felt OK with it, and OK to do it. We are all big boys hopefully, and don't volunteer for something that compromises our rest / ability to do our rostered duties.
I think you will find that many management pilots do office duties that are never recorded anywhere in much bigger carriers than SkyEurope, & tacitly accepted this when they took the position.
As for commuting between bases, how many pilots do it voluntarily in their own time to live where they want & say nothing. Anyway, is it really any different to a guy stuck in his car for two hours trying to go from one side of London to the other on the M25 because he chooses to live there.
Anyway this is a whole different subject, and if these guys volunteered to do it, they felt OK with it, and OK to do it. We are all big boys hopefully, and don't volunteer for something that compromises our rest / ability to do our rostered duties.