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JEEZ.. you guys are a tough audience!
TropicalUpdate: Don't be too sure about your last comment. It would not surprise me if AAI tried that some time. They respect their customers just half an iota more than they respect their ex-pat crews.
PERCHANCE, yea PERCHANCE.... could the aircraft refused by Garuda have been TF-ARU???? Had to take a quick perusal of my logbook.
If it wasn't TF-ARS, it was TF-ARU.....(ducking for the cover of the dining table)
TropicalUpdate: Don't be too sure about your last comment. It would not surprise me if AAI tried that some time. They respect their customers just half an iota more than they respect their ex-pat crews.
PERCHANCE, yea PERCHANCE.... could the aircraft refused by Garuda have been TF-ARU???? Had to take a quick perusal of my logbook.
If it wasn't TF-ARS, it was TF-ARU.....(ducking for the cover of the dining table)
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What's d latest?
Are there any more encouraging news or otherwise regarding AAI's survival thru the economic upheaval? Share us through this forum. People who have worked and served years with AAI should always be interested to listen or read the latest!
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I was hoping your post was going to inform us all that this outfit was consigned to oblivion.
All it has done is trigger flashbacks from my time there, as I am still traumatised and having nightmares, from the mauling I experienced there.
All it has done is trigger flashbacks from my time there, as I am still traumatised and having nightmares, from the mauling I experienced there.
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Just hoping that people can read what has been written between the lines and they can come out with good or bad to that effect. Having resigned more than a year ago made me feel good something in disguise. On the otherhand, there is always the disadvantage or advantage for every decision I made during my time with AAI.
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....brings back memories, the day they told an F/O to position to SHJ from DXB via London!!!! After protesting he called them back an hour later saying that he was already there.....via a taxi!!!! Fond memories.....
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Krappp All Over
I feel the same,
I left a year ago this month and I feel lucky the Bastards in the office oppted to listen to this"FURLOUGH" me !!!! Fat chance, they should have said you are fired. Got an e-mail from airborne 2 months ago telling me I better start looking for another job. How stupid can they be !!! I started looking as soon as they told me to go home. I am flying, and in Europe, and I cna come home every month WITH PAY !!!! Not like the KRAPP they had and still have. I did here they called some guys back and are now flying !!! Feel sorry for them, they are just either looking for a 400 spot or they are asleep and in another world. Good luck to all, the group with a few exeptions like the ******* chief engineer are great guys. Bruce should get the remaining a/c, extend the flaps and ram it up his assssss !!!
I left a year ago this month and I feel lucky the Bastards in the office oppted to listen to this"FURLOUGH" me !!!! Fat chance, they should have said you are fired. Got an e-mail from airborne 2 months ago telling me I better start looking for another job. How stupid can they be !!! I started looking as soon as they told me to go home. I am flying, and in Europe, and I cna come home every month WITH PAY !!!! Not like the KRAPP they had and still have. I did here they called some guys back and are now flying !!! Feel sorry for them, they are just either looking for a 400 spot or they are asleep and in another world. Good luck to all, the group with a few exeptions like the ******* chief engineer are great guys. Bruce should get the remaining a/c, extend the flaps and ram it up his assssss !!!
...brings back memories, the day they told an F/O to position to SHJ from DXB via London!!!! After protesting he called them back an hour later saying that he was already there.....via a taxi!!!! Fond memories.....
PMSL!
Yeah I remember that one - Arngrimmer himself told me that one .... after he'd sold the company.
I use to tell it to some of the people I worked with after I left AAI, when they complained about their company doing daft things.
"You think that's bad, how about this then ...."
company,no future over there!!!!!!!
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Travel..
How about MAN-DUB-AMS ?
When queried.. 'Oh we just ask xxx (their 'travel provider; based in USA whose knowledge of geography was on a par with the Travel Office themselves) for the best deal!!!
When queried.. 'Oh we just ask xxx (their 'travel provider; based in USA whose knowledge of geography was on a par with the Travel Office themselves) for the best deal!!!
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avherald today...
Hi all,
from today's news
Report: Air Atlanta Icelandic B742 over Romania on Jul 14th 2007, strong odour in cockpit
By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jun 16th 2009 09:16Z, last updated Tuesday, Jun 16th 2009 12:35Z
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from today's news
Report: Air Atlanta Icelandic B742 over Romania on Jul 14th 2007, strong odour in cockpit
Report: Air Atlanta Icelandic B742 over Romania on Jul 14th 2007, strong odour in cockpit
By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jun 16th 2009 09:16Z, last updated Tuesday, Jun 16th 2009 12:35Z
An Air Atlanta Icelandic Boeing 747-200 freighter on behalf of Malaysia Airlines, registration TF-ATX performing freight flight MH-6151 from Milan Linate (Italy) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates) with 2 passengers and 3 crew, was enroute overhead Romania, when an odour in the cabin appearing shortly after takeoff became so strong, that the passengers complained about the smell. The captain, who was aware the airplane carried some level 9 hazardeous material (hazard to environment) sent the flight engineer to the cargo bay to inspect the cargo. When the flight engineer returned to the cockpit, he immediately donned his oxygen mask, then reported a piece of cargo just underneath the cockpit, that leaked vapour or fumes. The flight engineer felt dizzy and said, he was about to pass out. At this point the captain noticed, that the first officer acted strangely and showed signs of hypoxia. The first officer donned his oxygen mask, the captain used his oxygen mask only occasionally as he did not feel any symptom other than the odour. Without declaring emergency the captain decided to divert to the closest available airport at Budapest and requested a technical landing reporting the odour at 21:16LT (19:16Z). He decided to land as quickly as possible and opted to not dump fuel, but perform an overweight landing. The aircraft landed safely 25 minutes later.
The Hungarian Transportation Safety Board reported in their English report released via the Icelandic "Rannsóknarnefnd flugslysa" (RNF), that the material was a synthetic pharmaceutic raw material. That material was solid below 5 degrees Centigrade, at higher temperatures the material becomes fluid and then intensively evaporates. During loading in Linate, which took several hours, the outside temperature had been around 30 degrees Centigrade, the temperature in the cargo bay had become even higher. Due to lack of cooling in the cargo bay the material evaporated during the flight and leaked through the non-airtight plastic barrels. The vapor caused nausea, the use of the oxygen masks prevented a deterioration of the situation.
The Hungarian TSB concluded:
3.1 Direct causes of the occurrence
- The company that prepared the hazardous material BAL5287 for shipping (Antibioticos S.P.A.) did not indicate on the shipping documentation and on the storage containers the required temperature while in storage and during shipping, and did not provide airtight containers.
- The cargo loader – while being aware of the fact that they were handling dangerous goods – did not check the MSDS upon receipt (they did not open the envelope containing the document) therefore the required storage temperature of +5 C° was neither ensured nor noted on the NOTOC.
- The required temperature of +2…+8 C° in the aircraft's cargo bay was not provided for the 149 kgs of vaccination that was listed in the NOTOC and was transported in JL position.
- The required cooling in the aircraft’s cargo bay was not provided for the 90 kgs of chocolate that was listed in the NOTOC and was transported in QL position.
- Due to lack of cooling, the crystallization of the material that could have prevented evaporation of dangerous vapours could not take place.
- The cargo load inspector did not sign the NOTOC and the captain accepted it without the signature.
- The cargo loader – while being aware of the fact that they were handling dangerous goods – did not check the MSDS upon receipt (they did not open the envelope containing the document) therefore the required storage temperature of +5 C° was neither ensured nor noted on the NOTOC.
- The required temperature of +2…+8 C° in the aircraft's cargo bay was not provided for the 149 kgs of vaccination that was listed in the NOTOC and was transported in JL position.
- The required cooling in the aircraft’s cargo bay was not provided for the 90 kgs of chocolate that was listed in the NOTOC and was transported in QL position.
- Due to lack of cooling, the crystallization of the material that could have prevented evaporation of dangerous vapours could not take place.
- The cargo load inspector did not sign the NOTOC and the captain accepted it without the signature.
3.2 Indirect causes of the occurrence
- The captain was aware of the procedures of the emergency manual for Category Nine dangerous goods but he did not consider the use of oxygen mask mandatory for himself.
3.3 Risk factors that cannot be linked to the occurrence
- There were several packages where the UN sign, the UN number, the PSN number, or the sender's data were covered or otherwise not clearly visible.
- The ULD identification tags contained the three-letter cargo IMP code, in contradiction with the IATA DGR which requires the usage of Class/Division Numbers.
- There were simultaneously Air Malaysia and Air France package ID labels on the packages which is not allowed.
- The form for listing the non-radioactive dangerous goods was a 2006 edition, and the answers given to questions No. 37 and No. 51 were incorrect.
- The medical check in the captain's pilot licence expired on 2 June 2007.
- The ULD identification tags contained the three-letter cargo IMP code, in contradiction with the IATA DGR which requires the usage of Class/Division Numbers.
- There were simultaneously Air Malaysia and Air France package ID labels on the packages which is not allowed.
- The form for listing the non-radioactive dangerous goods was a 2006 edition, and the answers given to questions No. 37 and No. 51 were incorrect.
- The medical check in the captain's pilot licence expired on 2 June 2007.
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Angola to China ?
let the dream go ON. There are about 5 crews from TAG training at ALTION for their 777, They will be flying that route, I asked them about the AAI deal and all said the A/C has been grounded ever since it got to Luanda. All the guys were in the B747 before coming to train in the 777.
I am glad I was sent home last year, had time to get back , relax and find another job. If still there, Good Luck getting one when the ship full of rats go down, specially the incestuous residents of the Northern Rock !!!! paladin, they will pay, bloody pay, better not come near where i am, except for a few like argrimurs son he is nice. The rest can kiss my ass, specially the Chief F/E from down under !!!!
I am glad I was sent home last year, had time to get back , relax and find another job. If still there, Good Luck getting one when the ship full of rats go down, specially the incestuous residents of the Northern Rock !!!! paladin, they will pay, bloody pay, better not come near where i am, except for a few like argrimurs son he is nice. The rest can kiss my ass, specially the Chief F/E from down under !!!!
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FFS.. +2/+8C on the maindeck of a 742 is a no-can-do. After hours and hours of cruise coming out of DXB (lets say 35-40C) you might just get about 15C. WTF wasn't this stuff in the rear belly? (fairly decent temp control).
And before anyone talks about what a 744F can or can't do... believe me , it can't (Boeing say it can, but then Airbus said the A380 was a good -F too). I have been in the 400F game since 93. (1st one, 2nd one, 3rd one, 25th one etc etc... ever built).
And before anyone talks about what a 744F can or can't do... believe me , it can't (Boeing say it can, but then Airbus said the A380 was a good -F too). I have been in the 400F game since 93. (1st one, 2nd one, 3rd one, 25th one etc etc... ever built).
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Latest rumour from the sand pit is that AAI has complained formally to Saudia about the recent hiring of 8-9 South African F/Es. Seems the former Airborne Personnel contractors, who had been flying on the AAI contract in JED, have been hired by SV.
AAI seems bent on trying to prevent their employment on grounds they were AAI employees !
Kudos to SV for pointing out they were contractors and NOT AAI property. Free market provides free opportunity...
Suck on that fact, AAI. If you're gonna try to screw your ex-contractors..... you'll find that you'll have many more targets in the next few weeks and fewer crew to man the fleet....
Good on ya Saudia HR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAI seems bent on trying to prevent their employment on grounds they were AAI employees !
Kudos to SV for pointing out they were contractors and NOT AAI property. Free market provides free opportunity...
Suck on that fact, AAI. If you're gonna try to screw your ex-contractors..... you'll find that you'll have many more targets in the next few weeks and fewer crew to man the fleet....
Good on ya Saudia HR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well that fits. Screw your crew, they will walk at the first opportunity.
Your post indicates there maybe an element of surprise at the actions of these morons. I am not suprised in the least.
If they were not ACMI, would you be surprised if they were paying cash for essential services? I wouldn't.
Your post indicates there maybe an element of surprise at the actions of these morons. I am not suprised in the least.
If they were not ACMI, would you be surprised if they were paying cash for essential services? I wouldn't.