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HI GUYS!!!
can anyone tell me about AIR ASIA A320 first officer base salary???? how good is this company, and how is the way of living there at Kuala Lumpur, thank you very much!!!
good flights for everyone!!!
can anyone tell me about AIR ASIA A320 first officer base salary???? how good is this company, and how is the way of living there at Kuala Lumpur, thank you very much!!!
good flights for everyone!!!
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I don't know much about it, but I did see the details the other day and to be honest I wouldn't touch it with someone elses s***ty barge pole.
From memory, and these figures are NOT exact, they wanted €22000 for type rating, a further €8000 for base training and another €10000 for line training. You then get the privilege of paying them $10 per stick hour for the first 1000 hours flying with them (which has to be paid in USD to personnel something like 8 days after the flight you incurred the cost on). Pay is 4000RM (know idea on the value of the RM....I'd kinda lost interest by this point!) per month, and accom is about 1000RM per month. Based in Kuala Lumpur.
I know there's a lot of desperate people right now, indeed I am one. But this is taking things too far IMHO...makes all the other SSTR schemes look ethical and responsible. If you are that determined to get right royally rogered then may I suggest Tilbury docks, at least YOU'LL be getting paid for it then...
From memory, and these figures are NOT exact, they wanted €22000 for type rating, a further €8000 for base training and another €10000 for line training. You then get the privilege of paying them $10 per stick hour for the first 1000 hours flying with them (which has to be paid in USD to personnel something like 8 days after the flight you incurred the cost on). Pay is 4000RM (know idea on the value of the RM....I'd kinda lost interest by this point!) per month, and accom is about 1000RM per month. Based in Kuala Lumpur.
I know there's a lot of desperate people right now, indeed I am one. But this is taking things too far IMHO...makes all the other SSTR schemes look ethical and responsible. If you are that determined to get right royally rogered then may I suggest Tilbury docks, at least YOU'LL be getting paid for it then...
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I sat down and worked this all out a few weeks ago when I heard about the scheme so here is what I came up with:
Payments to Air Asia: $10,000 for line training (1000hrs)
E21,900 for Type rating
E8,000 for base training (worst case)
Total sterling: £29,200 (XE converter)
Second officer Pay (after 500hours on type) 4,000 Rm/month X 5 months (to complete 1000hrs)
+ sector pay 45 Rm/sector
(4 sector days I would guess)
Total pay:24,500 Rm
equivalent to: £4,100
Living expenses 800 Rm/month for the cheaper closer place plus 200 Rm additionals for a time of 15 months (again a guess) 15,000 Rm total, equivalent to £3,000
Total expenditure: £32,200
Total earnings: £4,100 + A320 Type rating and 1000 hours on type
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Payments to Air Asia: $10,000 for line training (1000hrs)
E21,900 for Type rating
E8,000 for base training (worst case)
Total sterling: £29,200 (XE converter)
Second officer Pay (after 500hours on type) 4,000 Rm/month X 5 months (to complete 1000hrs)
+ sector pay 45 Rm/sector
(4 sector days I would guess)
Total pay:24,500 Rm
equivalent to: £4,100
Living expenses 800 Rm/month for the cheaper closer place plus 200 Rm additionals for a time of 15 months (again a guess) 15,000 Rm total, equivalent to £3,000
Total expenditure: £32,200
Total earnings: £4,100 + A320 Type rating and 1000 hours on type
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Nick,
edited to say: Ignore me, Just figured how you've worked it out (assuming no salary for first 500 hours spread over xx months?).
Not to piss on the firework....but 900 hours per year limitation...?
edited to say: Ignore me, Just figured how you've worked it out (assuming no salary for first 500 hours spread over xx months?).
Not to piss on the firework....but 900 hours per year limitation...?
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Its only a rough guide, not accurate by any means but heres your answer:
900 hours a year, so 13 months give or take, plus 3 for TR, 16 months.
Wasnt far off
oh and the information I recieved was from my FTO, don't think its publicised on their website.
To be honest I wouldn't bother, just another example of an airline making money out of us low hours, desperate for a job, deep in the red grads.
900 hours a year, so 13 months give or take, plus 3 for TR, 16 months.
Wasnt far off
oh and the information I recieved was from my FTO, don't think its publicised on their website.
To be honest I wouldn't bother, just another example of an airline making money out of us low hours, desperate for a job, deep in the red grads.
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Did your FTO mention anything about bank funding for this? Just seems alot of dosh.
What about after the 16 months? Are you given the chance of permanent employment on better conditions or do you come back to europe and try for work there.
Cheers guys.
What about after the 16 months? Are you given the chance of permanent employment on better conditions or do you come back to europe and try for work there.
Cheers guys.
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No mention of jobs, Its back home but with 1000 hours on type im sure something would come up.
The funding is your own responsibility, how you come up with the cash is up to you.
another reason I wouldnt bother with it.
N
The funding is your own responsibility, how you come up with the cash is up to you.
another reason I wouldnt bother with it.
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A mate of mine is starting it next week, through oxford in sweden, he did his training with SAA. Sent me the details, wouldnt touch it at all, and I need a job but not that badly
Prices Type Rating Training Program & Line Training:
Simulator assessment: Performed in AirAsia KL training facility
A320 Type Rating Training Program: €21 900
Includes license skill test and TRE cost
Base Training A320: €7 500 - €8 000, price depending on fuel price and duration of training
(6 landings)
A line training charge of $ 10 000
· The Pilots shall be responsible for their own costs in Malaysia to include accommodation; ground transport, air transportation etc and AirAsia shall not be liable for any such costs.
· The Pilots shall provide AirAsia with a Security Deposit / Bank Guarantee of USD 10,000 which shall remain in force until the Personnel have completed 1,000 flying hours with AirAsia.
· AirAsia shall make payments to the Pilots after 500 flying hours have been completed. Such payments shall be in line with AirAsia’s second officer conditions as per AirAsia practices.
· Personnel contracted by AirAsia shall provide AirAsia with a payment of USD 10 per stick flying hour and such payment shall be made by each of the Personnel directly to AirAsia within 10 days after the end of the month in respect of the stick flying hour for the previous month. Such payment shall equate to USD 10,000 in respect of 1,000 hours flying time.
AirAsia Second officer conditions
Base salary is 4000 Rm, the sector pay is 45 Rm
Currently pilots are flying 80 hrs per month
Additional information
First Officers would require a JAR CPL/IR with ATPL theory and the A320 endorsed in their license.
Pilots would come in on tourist visas and it will be converted to a work permit, as soon as it’s ready.
Furnished apartments about 15 to 20 minutes drive from the KL airport go for about Rm 800 while furnished houses with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, go for about Rm 1000 per month. The standard lease agreement would however, require 2 months rental deposit to be paid in advance, plus a deposit for utilities.
The AirAsia academy however, has 3 bedroom serviced apartments for out station students, which can be rented out at Rm1200 per head per month, with 3 persons to an apartment and there is no requirement for the upfront deposits to be paid. These apartments are however located about a 30 to 40 minute drive from the airport.
Prices Type Rating Training Program & Line Training:
Simulator assessment: Performed in AirAsia KL training facility
A320 Type Rating Training Program: €21 900
Includes license skill test and TRE cost
Base Training A320: €7 500 - €8 000, price depending on fuel price and duration of training
(6 landings)
A line training charge of $ 10 000
· The Pilots shall be responsible for their own costs in Malaysia to include accommodation; ground transport, air transportation etc and AirAsia shall not be liable for any such costs.
· The Pilots shall provide AirAsia with a Security Deposit / Bank Guarantee of USD 10,000 which shall remain in force until the Personnel have completed 1,000 flying hours with AirAsia.
· AirAsia shall make payments to the Pilots after 500 flying hours have been completed. Such payments shall be in line with AirAsia’s second officer conditions as per AirAsia practices.
· Personnel contracted by AirAsia shall provide AirAsia with a payment of USD 10 per stick flying hour and such payment shall be made by each of the Personnel directly to AirAsia within 10 days after the end of the month in respect of the stick flying hour for the previous month. Such payment shall equate to USD 10,000 in respect of 1,000 hours flying time.
AirAsia Second officer conditions
Base salary is 4000 Rm, the sector pay is 45 Rm
Currently pilots are flying 80 hrs per month
Additional information
First Officers would require a JAR CPL/IR with ATPL theory and the A320 endorsed in their license.
Pilots would come in on tourist visas and it will be converted to a work permit, as soon as it’s ready.
Furnished apartments about 15 to 20 minutes drive from the KL airport go for about Rm 800 while furnished houses with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, go for about Rm 1000 per month. The standard lease agreement would however, require 2 months rental deposit to be paid in advance, plus a deposit for utilities.
The AirAsia academy however, has 3 bedroom serviced apartments for out station students, which can be rented out at Rm1200 per head per month, with 3 persons to an apartment and there is no requirement for the upfront deposits to be paid. These apartments are however located about a 30 to 40 minute drive from the airport.
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330 info?
Hi Guys
Does anybody know if they are recruiting for the a330?
If so any idea of the remuneration package.
Lastly a contact email adddress for HR there. Nothing on their website.
Thanks
Does anybody know if they are recruiting for the a330?
If so any idea of the remuneration package.
Lastly a contact email adddress for HR there. Nothing on their website.
Thanks
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I saw the details too and think it's another sad pay to fly scheme. The big red flags to me are the fact that you pay for he TR and Base Training, then have the sim check with Air Asia plus the fact that you will come in on a tourist visa, then get a work permit. I don't think anybody's going to be giving you a refund if you don't get the work permit and I am quite surprised that Malaysia would allow anyone to work on a tourist visa. I guess the fact that you are paying them to let you fly might get around this though, as they could claim you're just another paying customer 
The other big red flag to me is that the TRTO picks who gets the seats. This is a major conflict of interest when the salesman runs the selection process. I don't think for a minute the FTO has incapable graduates, but the rushed selection process and the dearth of type rating customers may have clouded the judgement a bit concerning that little clause about starting a job in Malaysia on a tourist visa.
Nick14's sums make no mention of HSBC loan payments, but I think it's safe to say that none of those with such a loan will be taking the trip to Kuala Lumpur. Above criticisms notwithstanding, I can see why this would be enticing to those who might have the funds to do it and don't have a large loan hanging over their head. 1,000 hours on an A320 could open doors to DEP programs. BA's SSP salary is £31,015 and their DEP salary is £48,500 according to PPJN. By the time these guys return from Kuala Lumpur, BA might even be hiring again, as well as others.
The other big red flag to me is that the TRTO picks who gets the seats. This is a major conflict of interest when the salesman runs the selection process. I don't think for a minute the FTO has incapable graduates, but the rushed selection process and the dearth of type rating customers may have clouded the judgement a bit concerning that little clause about starting a job in Malaysia on a tourist visa.
Nick14's sums make no mention of HSBC loan payments, but I think it's safe to say that none of those with such a loan will be taking the trip to Kuala Lumpur. Above criticisms notwithstanding, I can see why this would be enticing to those who might have the funds to do it and don't have a large loan hanging over their head. 1,000 hours on an A320 could open doors to DEP programs. BA's SSP salary is £31,015 and their DEP salary is £48,500 according to PPJN. By the time these guys return from Kuala Lumpur, BA might even be hiring again, as well as others.
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I agree with Adios,
And no, my cost analysis makes no account for loan repayments (which would be impossible with the stated salary)
Although, one of my coursemates is off to Type Rating in London as we speak, he has the full 50K loan from HSBC. Best of luck to him as I will be sat on the deck operating my desk for the forseeable future.
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And no, my cost analysis makes no account for loan repayments (which would be impossible with the stated salary)
Although, one of my coursemates is off to Type Rating in London as we speak, he has the full 50K loan from HSBC. Best of luck to him as I will be sat on the deck operating my desk for the forseeable future.
N
One thing people who seem to be rushing headlong into this seem to forget is that you could have 10,000 hours on type but in the current market there are no jobs!
Where/how will these people keep their type ratings valid after their time is up at Air Asia? How do you propose to live on that salary as well?
Sometimes you gotta wonder what this world and indeed this profession is coming to when there are guys who are happy to PAY TO WORK!
Queue the people saying this is the last resort and that they have done everything else they could
No wonder airline management walk all over us. We do half the work for them!
Where/how will these people keep their type ratings valid after their time is up at Air Asia? How do you propose to live on that salary as well?
Sometimes you gotta wonder what this world and indeed this profession is coming to when there are guys who are happy to PAY TO WORK!
Queue the people saying this is the last resort and that they have done everything else they could
No wonder airline management walk all over us. We do half the work for them!
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Another thing I would consider: Do you really want to ever work for a company that takes advantage of your situation (as a low-timer) like that?
You need a job urgently, which is normal - it was the same for me a few years ago. I also received a few offers like that one, i.e. to buy some hours on a B737.
For a while, I actually even counted my remaining money and considered it.
CPL/IFR + ATPL-training altogether EUR 45.000, plus the fact that I hadn't worked in a proper job for nearly two years during my ground school. Add to that the cost of a type rating, plus the cost for buying the hours-package, plus the cost for living all this time in Malaysia without any income worth mentioning.
If you add it all up: How long will you ever have to work, just to get your expenses back?
Don't forget: Once you get a "proper" FO's job back home, your net salary, after taxes, is unlikely to be much above 2.300 Euros per month.
It will be YEARS until you are only writing a black zero.
Companies like Air Asia know very well that there are some rich kids with rich parents around, who just want to be pilots no matter how, and they'll happily take your money. Once you've flown your bought hours, you'll never be offered a job by them - they will, instead, just sell your seat to the next guy.
Back in the 1990's, it was the common thing to be given a type rating after you were employed. But since young pilots have agreed to paying for the rating by themselves, this has now become the normal thing.
Salaries for pilots have gone down for years, and as a first officer, you are usually paid peanuts until your upgrading after some years.
The next step will become exactly what guys like andres1981 are about to do, the buying and selling of stick hours on jet aircraft.
By just buying your way all along through your career, all you'll end up with is to have an expensive hobby. Certainly not a job that will ever feed you.
Your situation may be difficult, but not desperate (otherwise you couldn't afford to pay for this scheme anyway). I suggest you just work anywhere else meanwhile, and wait for the situation on the job-market to improve.
Anything else is just pretending to be a pilot, whereas really you are only daddys' little spoilt son.
You need a job urgently, which is normal - it was the same for me a few years ago. I also received a few offers like that one, i.e. to buy some hours on a B737.
For a while, I actually even counted my remaining money and considered it.
CPL/IFR + ATPL-training altogether EUR 45.000, plus the fact that I hadn't worked in a proper job for nearly two years during my ground school. Add to that the cost of a type rating, plus the cost for buying the hours-package, plus the cost for living all this time in Malaysia without any income worth mentioning.
If you add it all up: How long will you ever have to work, just to get your expenses back?
Don't forget: Once you get a "proper" FO's job back home, your net salary, after taxes, is unlikely to be much above 2.300 Euros per month.
It will be YEARS until you are only writing a black zero.
Companies like Air Asia know very well that there are some rich kids with rich parents around, who just want to be pilots no matter how, and they'll happily take your money. Once you've flown your bought hours, you'll never be offered a job by them - they will, instead, just sell your seat to the next guy.
Back in the 1990's, it was the common thing to be given a type rating after you were employed. But since young pilots have agreed to paying for the rating by themselves, this has now become the normal thing.
Salaries for pilots have gone down for years, and as a first officer, you are usually paid peanuts until your upgrading after some years.
The next step will become exactly what guys like andres1981 are about to do, the buying and selling of stick hours on jet aircraft.
By just buying your way all along through your career, all you'll end up with is to have an expensive hobby. Certainly not a job that will ever feed you.
Your situation may be difficult, but not desperate (otherwise you couldn't afford to pay for this scheme anyway). I suggest you just work anywhere else meanwhile, and wait for the situation on the job-market to improve.
Anything else is just pretending to be a pilot, whereas really you are only daddys' little spoilt son.
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