Air Asia Salary

[Rightoldchap84]

Simple

The reason its only open to oxford grads speaking as one is that they know how bigger mugs we are, and have been to have gone integrated. Luckily i was fortunate to have got a job but alot ALOT of my friends havent been. Anything with oxford involved should be stayed well clear.....

[mac76]

u need to think carefully before you spend that money

look guys , i worked in malaysia many years ,india 1 year and many other countries,i never paid for line training on any aircraft you are doing a bad thing by paying air asia large amounts of money to pay for line training,as the previuos posts advised you ,the job will finish when the line training finishes and you will then have to find another job on the bus.

You must consider your options a bit wiser as i had to fly light aircarft for 10 years before i got an airbus job there are other ways to build your career before you jump in the airbus.a co pilot in india earns 5000 us( they just got rid of most of the foreigners in the no 1 budget airline),in other countries close by even higher and u are accepting 4000 ringitt,its too low.

i know its hard to find a job and you are not taking any notice of me but there are better ways than selling yourself for a dime to work for free.
There are jobs in turboprops or (get a job in europe where they pay you and respect your qualifictions )which give you good experience and you can move on to airbus positions when the company will pay for all your training( but you say i only want to fly jet ,ok i hear you but pilots need to earn salary not fly for free)
Dont make the wrong choice cause i know airlines now are loving these rich kids rocking up with 30,000 bucks and say here do u want some more give me a job ,i'll pay ,you are doing a bad thing for aviation guys really.

I also can confirm there are guys looking for work with 8000hrs and 4000 on airbus and they are unable to get a job , its called too many guys are getting on the bus and the jobs have disappeared,u must consider other aircraft types.GOOD luck

[smiler68]

First Officer A320 ( 50 vacancies )

Department: Flight Operations Location: Abu Dhabi Expiry:
31/12/2008 Qualifications A minimum of 1500 hours total flying time and
A minimum of 1000 hours on multi crew,glass cockpit jet aircraft and
ICAO ATPL,valid licence and medical
Must be current and
Maximum age limit is 53 years old and
English Language Fluency ( written and verbal )
Preference would be given to candidates with Airbus experience
The hours mentioned above shall be on powered fix wing aircraft only


Not going to find employment are we?! Etihad seem to have a few vacancies..as i'm sure you'l find other Middle Eastern carriers do aswell..and oh wait you'l already have an a320 TR plus 1000 hrs as a result of the Air asia program..! Sorry what!?

[flightleader]

How about taking a deeper look into the operation itself before selling your butt?

1) A typical day consist of 4 sectors with 25mins turn around.
2) Crew do loadsheet themselves on turn around.
3) 98% flights are daily turn around,no company transport.KL city is some 70km away,try driving for 140km to and fro from work with 4 sectors duty in TS.
4) Skippers are of all background ranging from Phillipinos,Indonesian to Cambodian.Some from national flag carrier which would be the better ones,however,most of them came from ex A330 junior FO,not really having much command experience.35 years old and younger,mostly around 30.
5) TS in this region is mother of all in the world besides hurricane.Annual rainfall in this country is commonly measure in metres instead of mm.Well over 3500mm if you like.
6) Not a single chance to get an upgrade to A330.AAX is another company.
7) Training is short and inadequate. Some manuals are photocopied from the national flag carrier.Some blank out its logo on the pages.Don't be surprise to still see its logo in some of your books.
8) The nearest livable township is Nilai(aka airport city),~25km from LCC terminal. Expat's neighbourhood in KL is some 90km from LCC terminal. Factor in your fuel for 180km driving in a bone shaker Proton.
9) Skipper's hourly productivity was raised form Rm110 to 195 this year,copilot's nothing! Even now there is rumour saying they gonna cut skipper's back to around Rm120.
10) The whole "airline" management office is the size of a regular Starbuck outlet.
11) Have you come across an airline that would deliberately over order planes so that can sell to the national flag carrier for quick profit using political power?

Do you notice that its pilots hardly participate in this forum?why?

Now, do you still worry about if you need to learn to speak Bahasa? Or cultural problem being a white? If yes,you deserve to be with them!

99 GBP for a flight from UK to KL,yeah right!

[JungleJett]

When you have 250 hours total time and you "fly" or try to....a 320/737, you don't deserve more than 4000 Ringitt per month. I might sound harsh, hearthless or whatever.....No I haven't forgotten the time when I had 250 hours. But I was lucky not to be a victime of SJS.....Wanna know more about this terrible disease? Read what follows.....


SJS - The Career Killer (TV spot)
Shiny-Jet-Syndrome: The Career Killer

<<enter Sally Struthers in front of a black backdrop>>

Sally: "Every year hundreds of children from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "That's right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"

<<Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black>>

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60 hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500 hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."

<<Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i.e. Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black>>

Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."

<<fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews gum as he strolls through the terminal. He sees "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.>>

Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."

<<camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 737...and then, an EMB170 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.>>

<<Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB190. The year is 2010 and Jimmy is a Captain.>>

Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim. Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 120 passengers. Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $100/hr LESS than the major-airline pilots he has replaced. His copilot, Sean, has been an airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big-jet for $20,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance checks, this could be the best job ever!"

<<camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a Boeing 757 pass by in Delta colors... Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and the paintjob has changed. It says "Delta Connection" now. Jimmy's mouth contorts once again to that crooked smile. Fade to black>>

<<camera fades in on Sally>>

Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs! "

* Do you know a CFI who has applied at Mesa or Boston/Maine?
* Do you know a CFI who is burned out after 6 weeks of instructing?
* Do you know a student pilot who has answered an flight school ad for "guaranteed interview with our regional airline partner"?
* Do you know a pilot who has purchased a CRJ type-rating?
* Do you know a regional-jet pilot who has purchase a 737 type-rating?
* Do you know an airline pilot who has taken concessions in order to allow their company to purchase larger airplanes?
* Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran and Jetblue are the "majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?
* Do you know any member of the RJDC who STILL BELIEVES that mainline pilots are hurting their career expectations?
* Do you know any airline pilots who refuse to dress in their uniform as specified by their SOP because "if they wanted me to dress better, they'd pay me better"?
* Do you know any airline pilots who carry their hats for 4-days without ever putting it on their head?
* Do you know any airline pilots who wear a backpack rather than carry adult-luggage?
* Have you flown with copilots who say, "I cant believe they pay us to do this!!"?
* Do you know any individual whose first "real" job involved carrying 50-90 people in the back of a jetliner?
* Do you know any regional jet pilot who drops the "Express" or "Connection" portion of their airline name while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in a bar?

Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. If left unchecked for too long the entire airline piloting profession will be NEUTERED. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal."

"Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've developed revolutionary cures including:

* Make minimum experience requirements to fly part 121 at LEAST as stringent as part 135 minimums -- and make it a regulation.
* Shut down all flight schools that "guarantee" interviews.
* Raise CFI pay so that pilots are more likely to spend time in that position.
* Require that each part 121 candidate have at least 500 hours PIC (not instructor time) operating within the IFR system in day and night, and in all weather conditions.
* Preference to be given to pilots who have held jobs outside of aviation.
* Bryan Bedford and Johnathan Orenstein to be executed publicly at dawn.
* Duane Woerth will be forced to watch the execution of the above before being surprised by his own execution. He's just too stupid to be left in charge of ALPA.

Sally: "We've done a lot, but you can help. For just $246 per day you can sponsor a flight instructor or regional airline pilot.

For less than the cost of a good-quality, high definition television you can sponsor an aspiring airline pilot and show them what life would be like if they actually made the money that major airline pilots used to make. This is the first step in ending SJS."

<<camera fades to Jimmy's Comair Academy enrollment photo. He's shaking hands with mascot "RJ">>

"Jimmy needs your help. Please send your check for $7626/month to:


I am going back to the farm and tractor stuff.

[BaracusBalls]

I was there few years back, left and now regret it as its now growing,ordering more planes and overtaking the flag carrier. Flightleaders points true but only for conditions before i.e 737 days. Have friends there now,some expat and seems a different company now.All very happy there. New 320s, new 330s,new routes,new sim centre,Airbus compliant,training done by Airbus...the days of photocopied manuals gone.
None of Flight leaders points apply to now,and are basically a load of B**lls. 330 pilots are same company, once qualified in experience mixed fleet flying 320 to 330 is going on. The rumours of reduced pay not true,short turnaarounds and man. loadsheets normal for locosts worldwide. Capts there are making good money, 330 FOs flightleader mentions joining as Capts mainly from MAS and very experienced and certainly not junior. Flightleaders posts show someone who is bitter for some reason, but comments way out now!

[smiler68]

flightleader possibly got the boot, either that or he's living in the past....

[flightleader]

Nice guess work there.

I personally know its management pilots and shared many meals,beers and golf games with them. I might even have contributed some ideas to their operation unofficially.

Has the LCC terminal move closer to the city? Is this point valid? AA got rid of their 737 and TS in this region ceased? Get real Baracus!

A sole A320 type conversion training is not complete an airline pilot(copilot) training. The ex A330 guys (yes,5yrs as an FO is consider junior in the national flag carrier)are better because they had better training before.

I have no intention to put AA guys down. I want to let those who is thinking of joining to have a wider perspective. I pity you wannabees that have a serious SJS plus a more acute denial syndrome.

Go ahead,sell your butts!

[Red Paddy]

JungleJ,

Nice post but....

Very orientated to US/FAA newbies. This Air Asia scheme is aimed at Oxford graduates..ie European/JAA licence holders.

Here it is the norm and not the exception to be employed on a big shiny jet with 250 hours(I had almost double having had a great time flying skydivers for a summer). It's great in the States for hour building instructors, there just are not the same opportunities here. Damn, people here have SSS, Shiny Seminole Syndrome!

So the system here for quite a few years has been for nearly all airlines but the flag carriers to make new FO's pay for Type ratings. It has become a necessary evil if you want to become an airline pilot. If you have 250 hours or 1000 hours, it has become almost unavoidable.
Unlike you though I would argue that after paying for type ratings,new pilots are MORE than entitled to be paid well, and they are in general-including where I work. I would certainely argue that it is ok to pay for a type rating, on two conditions. 1. The prospect of a decent return on your investment, and 2. employment with a secure company.

The point about the Air Asia scheme is that this airline is now charging for line training and subsequent to line training paying less than peanuts to the idiots who sign on the dotted line, for a 1 year contract, after which they are sent home and in comes the next idiot to take his/her place, keeping the airlines costs down. People that are more interested in the uniform than the job and are willing to pay, or have rich mummy and daddy pay whatever it takes to get those two gold stripes on the shoulder. The reality is, they mean absolutely nothing if you pay to wear them. They are a false rank for a fake pilot.

The problem is, what if the idea spreads here? Will an airline be more inclined to roster an experienced well paid F/O or some dumbass paying for the privilage of working for someone? These guys by their actions are setting a trend that if it spreads, will threaten the financial and job security of hardworking pilots here. Potentially taking money out of other peoples pockets by their actions. That is why this scheme and the people who avail of it are regarded with such disdain by the rest of us. And quite rightly. When the industry is at a low point, pay an airline to work for them and suddenly this becomes the norm? Unfortunately, there doesnt seem to be a shortage of fools with more money than sense. Why people are unwilling to wait a few months, apply for a real job, do an interview and get a decent pay package is beyond me. Maybe they have no confidence in their ability to pass airline selection and feel that by buying 800 hours of A320 time they will somehow get ahead of other better pilots in the queue for jobs.

All in all a disgusting exploitative scheme by an airline and a disgusting willingness to potentially shaft the rest of us by those "pilots" who avail of it.

[Aerospace101]

easyjet have already done pay to fly scheme with ATP.

[GlueBall]

Entertaining reading.

Factor in your fuel for 180km driving in a bone shaker Proton.

True, true, true. By mistake, I had rented one of those semi-cloned Mitsubishi jalopies while on vac at BKI. Absolute junk.

But then again, if you had never driven a Honda or a BMW, you wouldn't know.

[flyaway777]

[QUOTE] easyjet have already done pay to fly scheme with ATP. [QUOTE]

The management have already admitted that this was a bad idea and have said that it will not happen again. Unsurprisingly, this scheme was met with the distain it deserves by every colleague of mine at easyjet.

[flightleader]

Red Paddy,

I think you got mixed up between Junglejett and me.

AA's Thai connection is bleeding bad with the current situation in BKK.Forward booking for Thai bound tourist has come to a halt.Think hard,wannabees!

[Anti Skid On]

I can picture it now: highly experienced captain of asian airline sat next to a plucky 20 yr old FO from england (who thinks hes gods gift to aviation because of his oxford background and rich parents) with no actual experience flying jets.... And theyre on approach through a tropical storm to some tin pot airfield...

And not to forget it is a 'low cost' operation.

Gees Airspace 101 (or whatever you are calling yourself) - have you ever been east of Dover? Several years ago, when their fleet was all 737-400's most of the Captain's were straight out of Ryanair, in fact I think they had a scheme going. Tin Pot airfields? They have some very fine fields with very good Navaids - in case you don't know malaysia produces a fair amount of black gunk from under the seas that is refined and used in your car, or even as Jet A1.

I've been through the Cabair, BA direct entry, thinking of paying for it myself scenario many moons ago. I was the one who arrived at Cabair in a 10 year old Astra, whilst everyone else was in daddies Merc, Jag or Porsche. Needless to say I didn't have the equity to get aplace at Cabair (come back when you have £30K)

BA - only buddy of mine who got in had a father-in-law who was a training captain on 767's for Britannia and a brother law who flew Jetstreams for BA - wonder how he got in?

For many they will pay to get that dream, regardless of what it takes. Without wishing to hammer the final nail into Airspace 101's coffin, my mate had under 200hrs in his log book upon completing the BA scheme at Oxford, and he was right seat in a 737 on short haul flying three sectors a day out of Gatwick - not really different.

[Red Paddy]

Sure did Flight leader! Apologies and duly edited.

[palmizio2000]

please ....... somebody back on course !!!!!!!!


airasia salary ...............
CPT ::::::

FO ::::
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thanks

[Sciolistes]

http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/fact...gbvx64ujb5qmve

[goldwing2006]

Palmizio2000,
To answer yr question on salaries
Capt : 85 hrs approx 4,796 pounds sterling(XE conversion) in your pocket
100 hrs approx 5,340 pounds (6192 Euros) all nett

JuniorFO : 85 hrs approx 1,466 pounds
Senior FO: 85 hrs approx 2,318 pounds

These are approximate, for living in Malaysia not too bad but globally nothing to shout about!

cheers,
goldwing2006

[palmizio2000]

A330

And any info on terms/hiring on A330 ????
thanks

[efatnas]

Air Asia and all the other ones

After reading most of the threads about the pay for training thing, I am a little shocked. My airline went into the ditch and I would really like to live in Indonesia. I have 3500 P1 on B727; also typed on B737. Would somebody hire me in that region without me paying for training? Sorry about my ignorance, but I really would like to find out.´