Forced unpaid leave at ryanair

[Der absolute Hammer]

This is unpaid leave.
So any paid leave already there carries on until back on line flying?
Or first cut of unpaid leave becomes paid leave owing from company?

[autobrake3]

If this a genuine post, I find it ironic and rather presumptuous that Ryanair should use pprune as communication medium with its pilots, especially in light of its previous aggressive dealings with this website.

[ItsAjob]

It's funny how they keep crying about the strike at the Boeing plant causing aircraft shortage. What about the parking of aircraft and route cuts?

[spinnaker]

All explained here

[the grim repa]

this is the truth and now the pilots get screwed over again.The amazing thing is that the pilots of ryanair cannot see the reality of their situation and we are now reaping the downside of our colleagues inability to get off their asses and fight for their cause.what a bunch of complete idiots!!!

[BitMoreRightRudder]

So do FR guys have contracts that state they can be laid-off for an unspecified amount of time and be paid absolutely nothing?

[Der absolute Hammer]

If you are Ryanair and laid off you will....

Get your job back?
Have the opportunity to work some where else or have fun. Who knws, perhaps both?
If enough people do not volunteer for laid off then some will be forced to lay off?
If you do not lay off, you will be fired?
If not enough lay off, some will be fired?
If that all is correct, then put affairs in order and prepare for unpaid holiday. Get towel in first for crew on dive boat live aboard in Red Sea.
For sure the company can do this. They give you a chance to keep the job through a bad time.

[captplaystation]

lgw warrior, that indeed is the $20,000 question.

[ICEHOUSES]

Hang on a minute, why would FR want to give pilots unpaid leave when there is xx amount of new aircraft arriving each month and big expansion plans in europe, or is it really the case this business model is failing in current economic climate??

[plain-plane]

The memo is true enough… send out on the company intranet…

Remember it is UNPAID LEAVE, you have not been fired, and you are still employed by the company… FR contracts stipulate that you are not allowed to work for other employers while still an FR employee… and now they will be sending drivers home without pay!!

If you don’t pay.... you don’t get to make the rules…

[lgw_warrior]

If this is the case,all training courses should be suspended immediatly!not next month,why even take guys through base training (££££) and line training (££££) when fully qualifed guys are sat at home getting paid squat! again, there has to be some kind of employment law against this,training new guys for your job, whilst not allowing you to work, i think those guys would have potential legal issues with the company.good to see that ryan look after there own !??!!


LGwarrior

[plain-plane]

This is FR, why, and where, do you think the LAW would come into play

[littco]

I think you'll find that most of the people taking the training in the next few months, including base and line training will all be contractors, IE new FATPL's on brookfield contracts. Being contractors they are not offically employees of the company and therefore training new guys for your job doesn't count..

These trainees are just a figure on a balance sheet...Sad but true...

[Redline]

Geez... I remember seeing something about most households in the UK being 3 months away from bankruptcy... So these poor guys that are going to be dumped for an unspecified length of time when there is going to be very little opportunity to find a viable alternative income will be totally screwed.

It not sound business, it's ruthless capitalism. All the nutters that keep boasting about however many billions of Euros are in RYR's bank...perhaps it would be nice to use a fraction of it in support of the loyal crews that work for RYR rather than supporting MOL's share options.

Filth, total filth

[captplaystation]

Surprised ? . . . . thought not.
I guess as they are only on unpaid leave not unemployed they can't claim any unemployment benefit, and , as has been said before ,are not "allowed" to work for someone else as they are still employed by Ryanair, although for the ones who are contractors I doubt that would stick.
For the new F/O's struggling to pay off their training debts this is going to be a very tough time, many will also have less than 500 hrs on type which makes them less attractive to potential contract agencies. Hang in there guys there is always Macdonalds. . . again.

[bfisk]

This makes me glad i chose the career route i did -- was offered to pay €30k for a FR course, but declined, and got a B200 job. Doing the TR now, very friendly company and excellent terms and benefits. Paid during rating and a very stable job for years to come...

No work, no money? Call it what you like, being laid off, on unpaid leave, or temporarily fired... stinks anyway. Don't know about you guys but I enjoy money.

[SID PLATE]

C'mon Whatthehellwasthat .... If you're trying to get yourself dismissed for Gross Misconduct, posting an internal RYR memo on here, in full, is a bit feeble. Why not go out in style, and stick one on the Chief Pilot?
Standby for the RYR management backlash, as they try to find the culprit!
Fifty one years old? Based in Essex? .... should narrow it down a bit...

[the_stranger]

Isn't this unpaid leave stuff something which every brookfielder has to go through each year? As far as I know, they have to take 1 unpaid month a year. Maybe that's what the memo is referring to?

[lgw_warrior]

Is this refering to just brookfield contractors? i cant imagine a situation where an employed ryanair pilot is sat at home on unpaid leave,yet a contractor is in operating his flights?it doesnt make any sense and i cant imagine any company willing to suffer the backlash from its pilot employees with such an idea.if so,then its the start of something bad for all of us, ryanair or not , as a pilot community we should stick together on this, if a floating happy go lucky contractor can take our permanent jobs then its the end of the line for this industry, family?job security? doesnt matter, its over fellas!

LGwarrior

[littco]

Next FR will be asking pilots to take a pay cut as American airlines did..Forced unpaid holiday, paycuts all adds upto the same thing!!