Ryanair pilot recruitment coming to talk to United Airlines pilots?
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I presume you'd prefer some information rather than inane replies about relationships between RYR and the IAA, etc.
My understanding (I don't claim to be definitive or expert) is that there are 2 issues - 1) the right to live and work in the EU, and 2) your licence.
For 1), you need a working visa. If RYR can show to the Department of Enterprise, Trade, and Employment (DETE - Employment Permits Section - nothing to do with the IAA) that they have looked for suitably qualified flightcrew within Europe and cannot meet their needs, they can be issued a visa for you. This would only apply to experienced Captains as there's no way you could make a case for F/Os, and you'd have to wonder how much longer they could argue for Captains in the current environment.
For 2), my understanding is that the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) will issue a validation on your FAA licence for 12 months, and that it wouldn't be extended longer than that unless you have completed all or part of your JAA exams as agreed with the IAA.
So, you could regularise your licence position with a lot of hard work combined with the hard flying you would do with RYR. In theory, you could also apply for Irish citizenship after working here for 5 years, but in practice it would be very difficult and take considerably longer.
I suspect there's a quite high turnover of the non-JAA / non-right to live and work Captains in RYR as most will do a year and then leave, but I'm sure some of your colleagues have done it already and some Mesaba guys went to Cityjet on the RJs, so you need to poke around and find someone who has done it to give you the complete picture.
Incidentally, since you would theoretically have a work visa and be registered here, I would suspect that you would have to pay full Irish tax but you could then offset it against your US tax, and do not be fobbed off by any "talk to Brookfield" BS from an RYR recruiter.
Overall, it would be a different and potentially attractive option in comparison with where you could end up elsewhere on contract, but you need to be very realistic about who you are dealing with, there will be no union or wriggle room on terms and conditions, and you're going to have to suck up some stuff you won't like including rosters completely unsuitable for commuting or getting home much.
I hope this helps, and your guys find work.
My understanding (I don't claim to be definitive or expert) is that there are 2 issues - 1) the right to live and work in the EU, and 2) your licence.
For 1), you need a working visa. If RYR can show to the Department of Enterprise, Trade, and Employment (DETE - Employment Permits Section - nothing to do with the IAA) that they have looked for suitably qualified flightcrew within Europe and cannot meet their needs, they can be issued a visa for you. This would only apply to experienced Captains as there's no way you could make a case for F/Os, and you'd have to wonder how much longer they could argue for Captains in the current environment.
For 2), my understanding is that the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) will issue a validation on your FAA licence for 12 months, and that it wouldn't be extended longer than that unless you have completed all or part of your JAA exams as agreed with the IAA.
So, you could regularise your licence position with a lot of hard work combined with the hard flying you would do with RYR. In theory, you could also apply for Irish citizenship after working here for 5 years, but in practice it would be very difficult and take considerably longer.
I suspect there's a quite high turnover of the non-JAA / non-right to live and work Captains in RYR as most will do a year and then leave, but I'm sure some of your colleagues have done it already and some Mesaba guys went to Cityjet on the RJs, so you need to poke around and find someone who has done it to give you the complete picture.
Incidentally, since you would theoretically have a work visa and be registered here, I would suspect that you would have to pay full Irish tax but you could then offset it against your US tax, and do not be fobbed off by any "talk to Brookfield" BS from an RYR recruiter.
Overall, it would be a different and potentially attractive option in comparison with where you could end up elsewhere on contract, but you need to be very realistic about who you are dealing with, there will be no union or wriggle room on terms and conditions, and you're going to have to suck up some stuff you won't like including rosters completely unsuitable for commuting or getting home much.
I hope this helps, and your guys find work.
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You say the money at Ryanair looks better than at UA.
Remeber the cost of living is way higher in Europe than the US, at current exchange rates everything over here costs about twice as much over here than in the States. eg Gas $10 a gallon, Levi jeans £60 or $120, the list is endless. A half decent 3 bedroom house will be in the region of £250-300,000 or $5-600,000, which would be not the standard of a house in the US costing $250,000.
Yes, on paper the money will be better but it is a false economy as the money won't go as far as it does in US.
You say the money at Ryanair looks better than at UA.
Remeber the cost of living is way higher in Europe than the US, at current exchange rates everything over here costs about twice as much over here than in the States. eg Gas $10 a gallon, Levi jeans £60 or $120, the list is endless. A half decent 3 bedroom house will be in the region of £250-300,000 or $5-600,000, which would be not the standard of a house in the US costing $250,000.
Yes, on paper the money will be better but it is a false economy as the money won't go as far as it does in US.
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Remeber the cost of living is way higher in Europe than the US, at current exchange rates everything over here costs about twice as much over here than in the States. eg Gas $10 a gallon, Levi jeans £60 or $120, the list is endless. A half decent 3 bedroom house will be in the region of £250-300,000 or $5-600,000, which would be not the standard of a house in the US costing $250,000.
In America, people need to pay their own health insurance and pensions and wages are about half of what you get in Europe.
Minimum wage in Europe is around 2300$/month after tax, in the US it is 1100$ before tax and health insurance & social security.
The life standards in Europe are alot higher than in the U.S. thanks to higher wages.
Save in Europe, spend in the US.
Working visa is not an issue, not for F/O's, not for Captains.
Ryanair is recruiting unexperienced F/O's and may argument that they need experienced F/O's instead.
Ryanair is not recruiting US pilots to loose them in a couple of years. When the US markets comes online again, Ryanair will keep pilots interested with their planned transatlantic operation.
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For a job that pays more than 60,000 euros you don't need to prove you've looked for any EU citizens. There is a place on the form for an explanation of how, in the future, you will be able to recruit EU citizens. I would imagine hiring all those low time FO's and training them would cover that criteria.
The IAA will validate the license for a 12 month period. After that, they will validate it for an additional 12 month period. How long they are willing to do this is anyone's guess.
The 14 exams are a pain in the rear, but are doable. I did mine in 3.5 months from picking up the first book to passing the last exam. In the end you do an LPC with some raw data work tossed in. If successful you will be the proud owner of an Irish ATPL.
Two years on an Irish Green Card gives you the right to Long Term Residency in Ireland. Sadly, they are currently proccessing applications from August 2005. In the mean time you can keep getting your Green Card renewed. Citizenship takes 5 years to qualify for. I don't know what the wait time is on that.
Ireland won't recognize your U.S. drivers license. You can go to AAA and get an International Drivers license to accompany your US license. This is good for 12 months.
I've talked to a good number of Direct Entry Captains at Ryanair. All say the same thing. Keep your head down, your mouth shut, come in and do your job and life is good. If you want to change things, life will not be pleasant.
It's definately an eye opening experience leaving the States to live over here. I was more than a bit nervous when I quit my job in the States to come over, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. All in all it's been a great experience.
That's about all I can think of off hand. Any specific questions PM me.
The IAA will validate the license for a 12 month period. After that, they will validate it for an additional 12 month period. How long they are willing to do this is anyone's guess.
The 14 exams are a pain in the rear, but are doable. I did mine in 3.5 months from picking up the first book to passing the last exam. In the end you do an LPC with some raw data work tossed in. If successful you will be the proud owner of an Irish ATPL.
Two years on an Irish Green Card gives you the right to Long Term Residency in Ireland. Sadly, they are currently proccessing applications from August 2005. In the mean time you can keep getting your Green Card renewed. Citizenship takes 5 years to qualify for. I don't know what the wait time is on that.
Ireland won't recognize your U.S. drivers license. You can go to AAA and get an International Drivers license to accompany your US license. This is good for 12 months.
I've talked to a good number of Direct Entry Captains at Ryanair. All say the same thing. Keep your head down, your mouth shut, come in and do your job and life is good. If you want to change things, life will not be pleasant.
It's definately an eye opening experience leaving the States to live over here. I was more than a bit nervous when I quit my job in the States to come over, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. All in all it's been a great experience.
That's about all I can think of off hand. Any specific questions PM me.
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All excellent points, smith, about the cost of living. My understanding is that we would be paid in Pounds or Euros, but something else for all of us attending this recruitment seminar to consider.
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Thanks for that information. I was wondering about the whole ATPL thing as well. I will probably take you (and the others who offered) up on your PM offer after this recruiter arrives.
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Thanks for that information. I was wondering about the whole ATPL thing as well. I will probably take you (and the others who offered) up on your PM offer after this recruiter arrives.
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the reason i said that was coz one of the guys said that this post was for experienced only and i thought that this was to help everyone who are any sort of pilots
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Good man with the definitive skinny Ace, that's what pprune should be all about. Incidentally, there are similar delays with citizenship, and you'd want a solid address here and not to disappear out of the country for any long periods during the 5+ years, it's not an easy thing to do.
It just occurred to me waterfalls, you should be able to avoid Brookfield as any visa would be offered directly to the employer here rather than through an agency. If that's the case, I assume it would be a fully taxed payroll.
It just occurred to me waterfalls, you should be able to avoid Brookfield as any visa would be offered directly to the employer here rather than through an agency. If that's the case, I assume it would be a fully taxed payroll.
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Why do Ryanair want US pilots.
well:
1 you are well trained. (less work for FR)
2 you ave high experience levels. (less work for FR)
3 they have empty left-seats, which you can fill with a minimum of fuss. (less work for FR)
4 the validation is not really an issue if you are only here for a few years... (it appears)
5 while they will be parking aircraft this winter, they will still be flying more than they did last year.
On the subject of flying:
A funny thing most of the yanks say when they come Ryanair: I never knew flying could be that complicated.... The SOP are quite strict... however the day to day flying is just that: day to day flying...
On the subject of Ryanair:
Ryanair will pay you Ryanair-money to fly Ryanair-airplanes the Ryanair way...
do not give them anything, they wont give you anything...
Pay:
They will pay you approx $10.000 after tax-
or what your deal with Brookfield and the tax man works out to...(more in good times and crap in bad times). For that money you and your family can live on the beach in Spain, or you can live in a small room and send home $9000 to the family...
And it appears to me that most of the yanks are very well liked in the company... no bad feelings about you guys coming over here at all.
best of luck...
well:
1 you are well trained. (less work for FR)
2 you ave high experience levels. (less work for FR)
3 they have empty left-seats, which you can fill with a minimum of fuss. (less work for FR)
4 the validation is not really an issue if you are only here for a few years... (it appears)
5 while they will be parking aircraft this winter, they will still be flying more than they did last year.
On the subject of flying:
A funny thing most of the yanks say when they come Ryanair: I never knew flying could be that complicated.... The SOP are quite strict... however the day to day flying is just that: day to day flying...
On the subject of Ryanair:
Ryanair will pay you Ryanair-money to fly Ryanair-airplanes the Ryanair way...
do not give them anything, they wont give you anything...
Pay:
They will pay you approx $10.000 after tax-
or what your deal with Brookfield and the tax man works out to...(more in good times and crap in bad times). For that money you and your family can live on the beach in Spain, or you can live in a small room and send home $9000 to the family...
And it appears to me that most of the yanks are very well liked in the company... no bad feelings about you guys coming over here at all.
best of luck...
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Thanks plain-plane.
For you and the rest in the forum, most of the negative stuff I seem to be reading about Ryanair has to do with its CEO and the fact that it is very anti-union. We're obviously very unionized here at UAL, and I was wondering what the Ryanair pilots do concerning the frequent (or at least more than here in the U.S.) strikes I read about. Does Ryanair typically force its pilots and staff to cross other airlines' picket lines or fly what we call "struck work?" That's a big "no-no" out here and I was wondering how that is handled at Ryanair and/or how that has been handled in the past. I imagine that since it seems like many pilots don't stick around at Ryanair, there would be concern about ending up on a desired unionized carrier's "short list" if you know what I mean....
For you and the rest in the forum, most of the negative stuff I seem to be reading about Ryanair has to do with its CEO and the fact that it is very anti-union. We're obviously very unionized here at UAL, and I was wondering what the Ryanair pilots do concerning the frequent (or at least more than here in the U.S.) strikes I read about. Does Ryanair typically force its pilots and staff to cross other airlines' picket lines or fly what we call "struck work?" That's a big "no-no" out here and I was wondering how that is handled at Ryanair and/or how that has been handled in the past. I imagine that since it seems like many pilots don't stick around at Ryanair, there would be concern about ending up on a desired unionized carrier's "short list" if you know what I mean....
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the way i see it FR only does it own flying...
And we have not really seen big strikes here in Europe like those of the "old days" in the states...
The way the FR is right now i cannot see that being a problem.
There does not appear to have been a problem for the pilots who have left FR to join their home national airlines, or the likes of VS and BA, that they have worked here. I know that a lot of the french speakers have a "date" booked with airfrance over the coming months... so no problem there either...
Just look at FR as SWA with an edge and none that: "the employees been our number 1 concern" stuff...
they will pay you on time, and the job appears to be one of the more secure ones right now...
And we have not really seen big strikes here in Europe like those of the "old days" in the states...
The way the FR is right now i cannot see that being a problem.
There does not appear to have been a problem for the pilots who have left FR to join their home national airlines, or the likes of VS and BA, that they have worked here. I know that a lot of the french speakers have a "date" booked with airfrance over the coming months... so no problem there either...
Just look at FR as SWA with an edge and none that: "the employees been our number 1 concern" stuff...
they will pay you on time, and the job appears to be one of the more secure ones right now...
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I'm an American. I've been here 3 years as a Direct Entry Captain. Was previously furloughed by a major US carrier. My furlough is over, and I now remain here at Ryanair by choice, having bypassed recall. While no company is perfect, I can say the following:
1) Ryanair has always paid me on time.
2) The training/checking are very fair and to a very high standard. No B.S. here.
3) The job is simple and enjoyable - you're home every night and the work is productive.
4) The aircraft are new and very well maintained.
5) The working environment at the small bases is excellent - very much like a flying club.
6) For a period of years, I flew longhaul on the 767 and 747. I don't miss it one bit.
I'd highly recommend the job. PM me if you want more info.
1) Ryanair has always paid me on time.
2) The training/checking are very fair and to a very high standard. No B.S. here.
3) The job is simple and enjoyable - you're home every night and the work is productive.
4) The aircraft are new and very well maintained.
5) The working environment at the small bases is excellent - very much like a flying club.
6) For a period of years, I flew longhaul on the 767 and 747. I don't miss it one bit.
I'd highly recommend the job. PM me if you want more info.