Ryanair pilot recruitment coming to talk to United Airlines pilots?
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Guys and Girls
If you qualify to work here in Europe then here is some advice.
Dont :-
Mention a Union.
Say we do it this way.
Try in any way to change things.
Do :-
Your Job.
Take the money on offer.
Pay your taxes here and the USA (Get exemptions if or where you can)
Remember your a quest in another country, not gods gift.
Enjoy your time over here.
Get your union to talk with BALPA before you accept anything.
I hear that there are only vacancies for Current Captains (B737 Rated)
You will have to go where Ryanair want you and could be any of their bases in Europe, probably with the exception of Dublin and Stansted.
Commuting home would probably not work.
You will work hard 5 on 4 off (Days) anything up to 6 sector days, for 11 months of the year then take a Month off.
You will be worked close to the 900 hour per year maximum, but if the downturn continues you could fly much less.
Pay will be based on the scheduled block times and you will get nothing if you go over, but you will still get the full rate if you arrive early.
Remember the less you fly the lower your take home pay will be.
Good luck, but remember there are a lot of pilots in Europe who are looking for work, many of those will dislike you being here.
But you will fly with some great Guys and Girls.
If you qualify to work here in Europe then here is some advice.
Dont :-
Mention a Union.
Say we do it this way.
Try in any way to change things.
Do :-
Your Job.
Take the money on offer.
Pay your taxes here and the USA (Get exemptions if or where you can)
Remember your a quest in another country, not gods gift.
Enjoy your time over here.
Get your union to talk with BALPA before you accept anything.
I hear that there are only vacancies for Current Captains (B737 Rated)
You will have to go where Ryanair want you and could be any of their bases in Europe, probably with the exception of Dublin and Stansted.
Commuting home would probably not work.
You will work hard 5 on 4 off (Days) anything up to 6 sector days, for 11 months of the year then take a Month off.
You will be worked close to the 900 hour per year maximum, but if the downturn continues you could fly much less.
Pay will be based on the scheduled block times and you will get nothing if you go over, but you will still get the full rate if you arrive early.
Remember the less you fly the lower your take home pay will be.
Good luck, but remember there are a lot of pilots in Europe who are looking for work, many of those will dislike you being here.
But you will fly with some great Guys and Girls.
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Until now ,i do not understand why éspecially in 2008 they do not make one Pilot licence for the entire world ;This is so stupid yes i say stupid.Come on guys think?? Have you ever think about your children futur.Everythink we learn in aviation school,atc,aircraft ect..are the same.Don,t make life complicate, we,ve to fight for it.Don,t just say i,ve got job and forget the rest, think about the children futur ,they will want to relocate and choice theirs next jobs éspecially if they loose jobs.
In Europe, Airline need pliots and they,re to behind times.Charles Lindbergh and others will make a fun of us.I hate this system
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I know there are a bunch of ex-Mesaba pilots from the US flying Avros for CityJet out of Dublin and LCY. Were they are forced to take those exams or did they get exemptions? Sounds like it might be a similar situation - right? Could the furloughed United pilots be offered specific contracts with 2-3 year time periods or would they be open-ended? I suspect they would be bonded for a few years to cover differences training.
What bases would likely be open to the Americans if this did take place? Are we talking some of the outstations throughout Europe or some of the bigger hubs like STN or DUB?
What bases would likely be open to the Americans if this did take place? Are we talking some of the outstations throughout Europe or some of the bigger hubs like STN or DUB?
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Here's what ALPA says about Ryan Air
Thinking About Working for Ryanair? Think Again!
As you may know, Ryanair has contacted Flight Operations in an effort to recruit United pilots. Do not become victimized by this airline. Ryanair has a long history of sub-contracting work to lower paid employees and takes the tack that cost takes precedence over quality. Avoiding unions all together, Ryanair has used assorted techniques including “victimizing and dismissing union activists, threatening to relocate or close the company, distributing anti-union literature, holding captive meetings, ignoring union grievances, creating non-union consultative structures, and refusing union access to the workplace.” This is according to a white paper by Michael O'Sullivan and Patrick Gunnigle, entitled, "Bearing All the Hallmarks of Oppression: Union Avoidance in Europe's Largest Low Cost Airline."
Their strategies center on forcing a deliberate high turnover of employees. Ryanair’s cost cutting also includes crews paying for their own training, uniforms and meals. The cost of training has been inflated to higher than actual in an attempt to force pilots to remain at work beyond their desire. In 2006, the Irish High Court, in ruling on a different matter, described the conditions attached to the re-training of pilots as “most onerous” conditions, which “bore all the hallmarks of oppression.”
“Ryanair is an example of a ’low road’ employment where its business model directly influences its industrial relations approach to the detriment of employees.”
Ryanair is not the place you want to be. Your talents can be better employed elsewhere.
(Produced by the MEC Communications Committee)
As you may know, Ryanair has contacted Flight Operations in an effort to recruit United pilots. Do not become victimized by this airline. Ryanair has a long history of sub-contracting work to lower paid employees and takes the tack that cost takes precedence over quality. Avoiding unions all together, Ryanair has used assorted techniques including “victimizing and dismissing union activists, threatening to relocate or close the company, distributing anti-union literature, holding captive meetings, ignoring union grievances, creating non-union consultative structures, and refusing union access to the workplace.” This is according to a white paper by Michael O'Sullivan and Patrick Gunnigle, entitled, "Bearing All the Hallmarks of Oppression: Union Avoidance in Europe's Largest Low Cost Airline."
Their strategies center on forcing a deliberate high turnover of employees. Ryanair’s cost cutting also includes crews paying for their own training, uniforms and meals. The cost of training has been inflated to higher than actual in an attempt to force pilots to remain at work beyond their desire. In 2006, the Irish High Court, in ruling on a different matter, described the conditions attached to the re-training of pilots as “most onerous” conditions, which “bore all the hallmarks of oppression.”
“Ryanair is an example of a ’low road’ employment where its business model directly influences its industrial relations approach to the detriment of employees.”
Ryanair is not the place you want to be. Your talents can be better employed elsewhere.
(Produced by the MEC Communications Committee)
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Hmmm... what has ALPA done for its members? Lets see. Negotiated lower wage and benefits packages for its members. That’s a major accomplishment.
Oh… and there’s more!
ALPA Board of Directors Considers Constitution Change!
Starting July 28, the ALPA Board of Directors will be voting on a change to the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws. If approved by two-thirds of the BOD, this change would make all pilot salary deferrals to 401(k) pension plans subject to dues. This would replace existing policy—currently pilot contributions to 401(k) plans are exempt from dues only if the 401(k) is the pilot’s only pension plan—and would both clarify ALPA policy and ensure that it applies consistently to members across the Association. The proposed revision was strongly endorsed by the Executive Council and Executive Board.
ALPA… a real class act.
Oh… and there’s more!
ALPA Board of Directors Considers Constitution Change!
Starting July 28, the ALPA Board of Directors will be voting on a change to the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws. If approved by two-thirds of the BOD, this change would make all pilot salary deferrals to 401(k) pension plans subject to dues. This would replace existing policy—currently pilot contributions to 401(k) plans are exempt from dues only if the 401(k) is the pilot’s only pension plan—and would both clarify ALPA policy and ensure that it applies consistently to members across the Association. The proposed revision was strongly endorsed by the Executive Council and Executive Board.
ALPA… a real class act.
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Before we get all too excited... in the US when we talked about Ryan Air we generally meant Ryan International AirlinesRyan Airlines 
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Your MEC, wherever you work, doesn't care at all about an individual pilot. Their concern is what they think is best for the union as a whole.
Yes, I know, if a pilot is in trouble the union will be there to help him. But that is not to say the union cares about his individual situation.
In the end do your own research and make the decision for yourself. It's your life not theirs.
Yes, I know, if a pilot is in trouble the union will be there to help him. But that is not to say the union cares about his individual situation.
In the end do your own research and make the decision for yourself. It's your life not theirs.
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RYRFORME... A bud I used to fly 727s with whilst he was on furlough from UAL was at one of the meetings sponsored by FR, and yes we all know the difference between Ryan International, an airline that was providing lift for Futura out of DUB, and Ryanair the Low Cost Carrier of Europe.
It was of his opinion based on an exit pole that due to vast airline cultural differences between FR and UAL, there won't be many takers from UAL. But he also said the the UAL MEC has to carry a supply of tissues to wipe the brown spots from their noses. With that being said there appears to be no great love loss between the majority of the pilot group and ALPA.
It was of his opinion based on an exit pole that due to vast airline cultural differences between FR and UAL, there won't be many takers from UAL. But he also said the the UAL MEC has to carry a supply of tissues to wipe the brown spots from their noses. With that being said there appears to be no great love loss between the majority of the pilot group and ALPA.
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A mate has told me that nearly 80 RYR pilots have been granted unpaid leave for the winter. If so, how on earth can they expect any EU government to grant work permits for non-EU nationals during the same period?
Thanks!
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Frankley... as UAL is highly pro union I don't see how they would adapt to the RYR ways.
No out of pocket living expenses are covered nor reimbursed, and no paycheck until training is complete.
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No out of pocket living expenses are covered nor reimbursed, and no paycheck until training is complete.
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Ryanair coming to US Airways (America West) to interview
We have a list of about 300 pilots ready to interview with Ryanair. I wouldn't doubt it if they hit Alaska Airlines, American, etc. With the amount of pilots about to hit the street, even Vietnam Airlines will be competitive to get hired with.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
