Turbo-Prop vs. Jet
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Turbo-Prop vs. Jet
Hey guys.
In Europe when airlines are hiring, how much do they take into account whether your past experience is on a Turbo-prop or a Jet?
I have an interview in 2 weeks for a Turbo-prop operator (Dash-8). In the future my plans are to move back to, and fly in Europe. That is a part of my dream, and something I want to do, more of a QOL move. But the only way this will work for me is if I can find a flying job in Europe (preferably Eastern Europe, even more preferably a Poland base), and I think getting some airline experience here in the U.S will help me do that. I plan on trying this move after I accumulate around maybe 1000-1500 Turbine Time. (Assuming I get hired).
The hiring at the regional level here is starting to slow, and I don't want to wait too much longer because you never know when the door may close, and minimum hours skyrocket back up again.
So basically the bottom line is, do carriers in Europe discriminate against turbo-prop time?
Thanks for everyones reply.
In Europe when airlines are hiring, how much do they take into account whether your past experience is on a Turbo-prop or a Jet?
I have an interview in 2 weeks for a Turbo-prop operator (Dash-8). In the future my plans are to move back to, and fly in Europe. That is a part of my dream, and something I want to do, more of a QOL move. But the only way this will work for me is if I can find a flying job in Europe (preferably Eastern Europe, even more preferably a Poland base), and I think getting some airline experience here in the U.S will help me do that. I plan on trying this move after I accumulate around maybe 1000-1500 Turbine Time. (Assuming I get hired).
The hiring at the regional level here is starting to slow, and I don't want to wait too much longer because you never know when the door may close, and minimum hours skyrocket back up again.
So basically the bottom line is, do carriers in Europe discriminate against turbo-prop time?
Thanks for everyones reply.
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Hi,
Basically if a company flys jets they want pilots with jet time, however if you've got a decent amount of experience on Dash 8s you shouldn't have a problem getting hired by a European jet operator....unless reccession hits...
Try WizzAir in Poland when you've got 500hrs on the Dash
Good luck
Basically if a company flys jets they want pilots with jet time, however if you've got a decent amount of experience on Dash 8s you shouldn't have a problem getting hired by a European jet operator....unless reccession hits...
Try WizzAir in Poland when you've got 500hrs on the Dash
Good luck
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Turbines
Are we talking semantics here...?
xxx
When I learned to fly -1960 - I remember 3 names...
Was reciprocating (or piston) engines... hmmm, these good old DC-6s...
Was turboprop engines... the F-27 Frienships, the Vanguards...
Was turbojets (or jets in short)... the 707s and DC8s...
We started to hear mentions about "fans" - was it Elvis Presley fans, or JT3D.
xxx
Flew military in the 1960s... then went airline...
The interview was - how many "jet hours" you got... was the vocabulary.
Sometimes in the 1970s, I heard wannabees talking "turbine"...
xxx
Appears it is a word invented by guys who flew propeller airplanes...
For me, 2 kind of propeller airplanes -
The recips (in short) or piston engines, a Cessna 172 or a DC-3...
The turboprops (guys who were flying PT-6 powered King Airs)...
xxx
To the question "how many jet hours you have" -
If none, they would answer "I have 500 hours turbine on King Airs"...
The question was not "turbine" (or turboprop), the question was jet -
xxx
Jet airplanes behave a certain way (due to the absence of propeller) -
Propeller airplanes behave another way.
Sure, the recips and turboprops are different engines.
You handle the engines differently, yet the propellers have same effect.
xxx
To answer your question - N767PL -
If you apply with an airline for a F/O position on "jet", try to have "jet hours".
Dont answer "turbine" to them.
If you apply for a F/O position on turboprop Dash-8, better to have turboprop hours.
xxx
We know that turbines do power jets and turboprops.
But after all, they fly differently.
When you get that propeller blowing over the wing, you get a lot of extra lift.
None of that on "jets" (call them fanjets if you want to) -
And when you go to idle with a turboprop, lots of "drag" you get from props...
None, or so little of that with "jets" (or fan-jets) -
xxx
Happy contrails
xxx
When I learned to fly -1960 - I remember 3 names...
Was reciprocating (or piston) engines... hmmm, these good old DC-6s...
Was turboprop engines... the F-27 Frienships, the Vanguards...
Was turbojets (or jets in short)... the 707s and DC8s...
We started to hear mentions about "fans" - was it Elvis Presley fans, or JT3D.
xxx
Flew military in the 1960s... then went airline...
The interview was - how many "jet hours" you got... was the vocabulary.
Sometimes in the 1970s, I heard wannabees talking "turbine"...
xxx
Appears it is a word invented by guys who flew propeller airplanes...
For me, 2 kind of propeller airplanes -
The recips (in short) or piston engines, a Cessna 172 or a DC-3...
The turboprops (guys who were flying PT-6 powered King Airs)...
xxx
To the question "how many jet hours you have" -
If none, they would answer "I have 500 hours turbine on King Airs"...
The question was not "turbine" (or turboprop), the question was jet -
xxx
Jet airplanes behave a certain way (due to the absence of propeller) -
Propeller airplanes behave another way.
Sure, the recips and turboprops are different engines.
You handle the engines differently, yet the propellers have same effect.
xxx
To answer your question - N767PL -
If you apply with an airline for a F/O position on "jet", try to have "jet hours".
Dont answer "turbine" to them.
If you apply for a F/O position on turboprop Dash-8, better to have turboprop hours.
xxx
We know that turbines do power jets and turboprops.
But after all, they fly differently.
When you get that propeller blowing over the wing, you get a lot of extra lift.
None of that on "jets" (call them fanjets if you want to) -
And when you go to idle with a turboprop, lots of "drag" you get from props...
None, or so little of that with "jets" (or fan-jets) -
xxx
Happy contrails
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Once you've got 1500hrs Netjets Europe will be interested in you and you can live in any of 42 Gateways around europe including Warsawhttp://www.netjetseurope.com/data/en...p_careers.html.
The QOL is fantastic providing you can stand the 5 nights away but in return you get 6 nights/5 days back at home. and for those 5 days you are not hounded to come in when its busy.
In Europe most jet operators like some turboprop experience as it cuts down on the failure rates but of course they'd prefere jet.
Jobhunter
Some examples include BA BMI Astraeus XL Ryanair etc etc but most of them like you to have come from an intergrated course like the Oxford APP http://www.oxfordaviation.net/employment_stats.htm
Good luck to you all
Once you've got 1500hrs Netjets Europe will be interested in you and you can live in any of 42 Gateways around europe including Warsawhttp://www.netjetseurope.com/data/en...p_careers.html.
The QOL is fantastic providing you can stand the 5 nights away but in return you get 6 nights/5 days back at home. and for those 5 days you are not hounded to come in when its busy.
In Europe most jet operators like some turboprop experience as it cuts down on the failure rates but of course they'd prefere jet.
Jobhunter
Some examples include BA BMI Astraeus XL Ryanair etc etc but most of them like you to have come from an intergrated course like the Oxford APP http://www.oxfordaviation.net/employment_stats.htm
Good luck to you all
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Jet Prop Fan geared Turbines!
Soon we will see Geared Turbo Fans and if noise restrictions permit Open Rotor Prop Fans.
See: http://flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/F...02/FR0702c.htm
and
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...on/q0067.shtml
That will certainly blur the turbine/jet debate !
See: http://flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/F...02/FR0702c.htm
and
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...on/q0067.shtml
That will certainly blur the turbine/jet debate !
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Thanks for the replies guys.
So I guess from the responses, Jet time seems to be prefered by airlines, if you are to be flying a jet, which makes perfect sense. But does that mean they will not look at your Turboprop time? Or does that simply mean they would prefer jet, but will still accept turboprop?
Aussie,
I cannot find a jobs page for Centralwings anywhere, is a TR required? How about LOT?? What are their requirements? Would a bond or something be available instead of a buying a TR, is that an option??
Thanks again for the info so far guys.
Also, as for WizzAir which Fiske mentioned, does anyone know if they would consider a F/O with no TR? Is a training bond an option??
So I guess from the responses, Jet time seems to be prefered by airlines, if you are to be flying a jet, which makes perfect sense. But does that mean they will not look at your Turboprop time? Or does that simply mean they would prefer jet, but will still accept turboprop?
Aussie,
I cannot find a jobs page for Centralwings anywhere, is a TR required? How about LOT?? What are their requirements? Would a bond or something be available instead of a buying a TR, is that an option??
Thanks again for the info so far guys.
Also, as for WizzAir which Fiske mentioned, does anyone know if they would consider a F/O with no TR? Is a training bond an option??
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FIrstly,
Bond with Wizz if your accepted is 5yrs not 2.
LOT there is a req to speak Polish, so not sure if that counts you out or not, but they have Bonded for 3 yrs up till now.
Centralwings, well, as far as i remember my mate tellling me, you pay for the type through a reduced salary over 3 yrs i believe. Not sure if polish is a must.
Good luck.
PS if you have Tprop time, next step will be jet
Bond with Wizz if your accepted is 5yrs not 2.
LOT there is a req to speak Polish, so not sure if that counts you out or not, but they have Bonded for 3 yrs up till now.
Centralwings, well, as far as i remember my mate tellling me, you pay for the type through a reduced salary over 3 yrs i believe. Not sure if polish is a must.
Good luck.
PS if you have Tprop time, next step will be jet
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So I guess from the responses, Jet time seems to be preferred by airlines, if you are to be flying a jet, which makes perfect sense. But does that mean they will not look at your Turboprop time? Or does that simply mean they would prefer jet, but will still accept turboprop?
bmi Regional (who fly emb jets) have taken direct entry captains will little/no jet experience. BA would take you as a direct entry pilot with turboprop hours only (or they did a few years ago anyway, don't know about now).
Ryanair will only take you with a 737 rating and 500 hours (and specifically 737 - not any jet).
So the answer is - it depends who you are applying to. Take a look at www.pilotjobsnetwork.com and click on the operators to see their details.
And remember - this is a fluid marketplace; just because airlines are happy to take a certain experience level now - it doesn't mean that will next year
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Got my first job with 170h tt. (fresh from flightschool) Flying 737's around Europe and mediterranean holiday destinations (great time!!) After 2 years I changed jobs. Now flying Fokker 50 Turboprop (or turbine 
) with my country's national carrier (KLM)
Entry requirements at the moment are 300hrs on aircraft >5700Kg.
Entry on the F50/ F70/100 fleet.
(Guys from the KLS (KLM Flight academy) generally enter as second officer(relief pilot) 747/777/MD11 or A330 with ~190h tt )
Good luck
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) with my country's national carrier (KLM)Entry requirements at the moment are 300hrs on aircraft >5700Kg.
Entry on the F50/ F70/100 fleet.
(Guys from the KLS (KLM Flight academy) generally enter as second officer(relief pilot) 747/777/MD11 or A330 with ~190h tt )
Good luck
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Tyrolean is another airline hiring people fresh out of training college with 200 hours TT...
And depending on your luck you might end up on the Fokker 70/100 and get all the jet time required
And depending on your luck you might end up on the Fokker 70/100 and get all the jet time required
Can someone please post the e-mail address of the chief pilot for Centralwings, LOT and Tyrolean because I have been on their websites and have not seen anything about employment. I don't understand why you say it so easy to find a job with min hours. I have around 800TT and some jet experience and still I have had no sniff of a job whatsoever and I have have been looking for about a year now. I would be happy with a turboprop setup too. Any suggestions?
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The reason you can't find LOTs and centralwings requirements is because they are only listed in polish. You have to speak polish to get in, on Captains for centralwings don't have to because you can get hired through an employment company. Minimum requirements for LOT are 200 hours, IR/ME and MCC theory, must know polish, although the the entry exams are in english.
