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Nightstop - your unfortunate reply would indicate you believe Trainers' salaries are being paid for by other pilot groups and that the only beneficiaries of BALPA's efforts are Trainers. I would have hoped you had sufficient knowledge to realise how totally incorrect such an assertion is - apparently not. Indeed, you have failed to understand the argument. For the first time in our history that I am aware of, the possiblity of 'temporary appointments' appeared. It was brought in without consultation and imposed by our since-departed Chief Training Captain in order to enhance his own bonus at the expense of his own Training Captains. Had this gone unchallenged, it would inevitably have led to the 'temporary commands' for the summer which other airlines employ. Quite rightly, BALPA saw the dangers and acted to defeat this totally unacceptable turn of events. A further advantage of this is to preserve a career structure which enables all pilots to reach the highest ranks and maintain that position on reaching it. That is not just an advantage for Trainers - it is vital for all staff as today's CTC cadets are tomorrow's Training Captains.
Regarding your equally ill-informed assertion that Trainers 'are sittting in the RHS doing nothing for their money', you may be interested to know that in the next 31 days I am rostered to fly 52 sectors of which 46 are training duties. Undoubtedly there was a 3-month period when consolidation went on (quite useful if you chose to take advantage of it), but that is not the case at the moment. If the management had had their way the new Trainers would have been demoted in October - and by the same token numerous new captains would have been demoted too. Dare I say it - BALPA actually acted in everyone's interests and not just those of a few. Never in the history of easyJet has so much rubbish been spouted to so many by so few...
Santa's Little Helper - The issue of BALPA is directly relevant to the current argument. Why are these 'poor souls' in the holding pool instead of being instantly whisked into 900 hours a year of seriously hard work as was the case in years gone by? The reason is that people are not leaving because we have become an employer of choice. Why is that? The reason is that when Ray Webster was still CEO, he tried to award himself and a few of his mates massive bonuses and at the same time award an effective pay cut to both pilots and cabin crew. Union membership soared and in the end a great victory was won when the new CEO, Andy Harrison, wisely saw the absolute certainty of a strike. Pilots therefore were awarded 10% over 2 years which was among the best deals on offer at the time in the industry. In short, for the first time in easyJet's history a critical mass of pilots gathered together to fight for their share of easyJet's success. More recently, however, we have taken on over 400 pilots last year - a significant percentage of whom have not seen the willingness of our managers to look them straight in the eye and tell them they are the low cost side of low cost! Consequently membership has waned, and slowly but surely we are moving back to our previous position of being taken advantage of by unscrupulous individuals. Substantial battles loom in the form of European contracts and the only credible answer is a united pilot workforce working together to negotiate the best deal rather than see a totally disadvantageous settlement imposed upon us. There is none so blind as thems that will not see - but if we have any eyesight still functioning we should have a look at what a low cost airline like Ryanair without BALPA representation is currently offering its Captains. Without BALPA that film will be coming to a cinema near you shortly..........
Regarding your equally ill-informed assertion that Trainers 'are sittting in the RHS doing nothing for their money', you may be interested to know that in the next 31 days I am rostered to fly 52 sectors of which 46 are training duties. Undoubtedly there was a 3-month period when consolidation went on (quite useful if you chose to take advantage of it), but that is not the case at the moment. If the management had had their way the new Trainers would have been demoted in October - and by the same token numerous new captains would have been demoted too. Dare I say it - BALPA actually acted in everyone's interests and not just those of a few. Never in the history of easyJet has so much rubbish been spouted to so many by so few...
Santa's Little Helper - The issue of BALPA is directly relevant to the current argument. Why are these 'poor souls' in the holding pool instead of being instantly whisked into 900 hours a year of seriously hard work as was the case in years gone by? The reason is that people are not leaving because we have become an employer of choice. Why is that? The reason is that when Ray Webster was still CEO, he tried to award himself and a few of his mates massive bonuses and at the same time award an effective pay cut to both pilots and cabin crew. Union membership soared and in the end a great victory was won when the new CEO, Andy Harrison, wisely saw the absolute certainty of a strike. Pilots therefore were awarded 10% over 2 years which was among the best deals on offer at the time in the industry. In short, for the first time in easyJet's history a critical mass of pilots gathered together to fight for their share of easyJet's success. More recently, however, we have taken on over 400 pilots last year - a significant percentage of whom have not seen the willingness of our managers to look them straight in the eye and tell them they are the low cost side of low cost! Consequently membership has waned, and slowly but surely we are moving back to our previous position of being taken advantage of by unscrupulous individuals. Substantial battles loom in the form of European contracts and the only credible answer is a united pilot workforce working together to negotiate the best deal rather than see a totally disadvantageous settlement imposed upon us. There is none so blind as thems that will not see - but if we have any eyesight still functioning we should have a look at what a low cost airline like Ryanair without BALPA representation is currently offering its Captains. Without BALPA that film will be coming to a cinema near you shortly..........
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Very well expressed view of BALPA necessity for Pilots life!
I admire your "taking time to" write down those arguments. I admit, english not my mothertongue, my verbal discussion on the flight line is exactly the same direction.
I still believe after long discussions with freeloaders, that most of them just do not want to spend the money on BALPA fees.
Latest as a Captain the financial situation should allow these expenses!
My two "Euro" cents!
Very well expressed view of BALPA necessity for Pilots life!
I admire your "taking time to" write down those arguments. I admit, english not my mothertongue, my verbal discussion on the flight line is exactly the same direction.
I still believe after long discussions with freeloaders, that most of them just do not want to spend the money on BALPA fees.
Latest as a Captain the financial situation should allow these expenses!
My two "Euro" cents!
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Honda
The Honda is fine, couldn't ask for a better car. Great team....BUT the money, grass is greener, Monaco is the new Benidorm. Couldn't help but notice the large numbers of Buses that crowd the pit lane.
Any swimmers awrf the Brazilian at Easy care to comment ?
Any swimmers awrf the Brazilian at Easy care to comment ?
Jenson Button,
As far as I know the embraer would have to be on the TRSS scheme, even the CRJ is the same. As a general rule, you have to fly jets weighing more than 45 tonnes to be concidered as a DEP. This summer they concidered flying the BAE146 as DEP, but I think this procedure has stopped again after a few "incidents" on the line in EZY. I could be wrong though.
As far as I know the embraer would have to be on the TRSS scheme, even the CRJ is the same. As a general rule, you have to fly jets weighing more than 45 tonnes to be concidered as a DEP. This summer they concidered flying the BAE146 as DEP, but I think this procedure has stopped again after a few "incidents" on the line in EZY. I could be wrong though.
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As a general rule, you have to fly jets weighing more than 45 tonnes to be concidered as a DEP. This summer they concidered flying the BAE146 as DEP, but I think this procedure has stopped again after a few "incidents" on the line in EZY. I could be wrong though.
No problem with 200 hours cadets but "some incidents" with experienced jet guys....
May I conclude that those "few incidents" have something to do with monney ?! you get paid lower and you have to pay your own type rating that is much better for easyjet
Guillaume (CRJ OPL
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Nuageblanc,
Some who came from Bae146 and Embraer were taken on as direct entry captains. Some of those did some stupid things on line and at least one lost his job because of this. After those incidents EZY went back to the old scheme, above 45 tonnes aircrafts to be concidered for DEP, so I was told at least.
When I joined EZY I had +4500 hours and still I was put on TRSS, I agree with you it's a silly concept and I don't like it.
However it does help putting these guys into the right seat with an experienced EZY captain to start with, rather than putting them straight into the left seat of an Airbus. A much better combination than putting the Embraer guy in the left seat with a new cadet in the right seat. That's what EZY did and the outcome wasn't good and that's why to my knowledge this has been stopped/ doesn't happen anymore.
I hope this helps your lack of understanding.
TFCM
Some who came from Bae146 and Embraer were taken on as direct entry captains. Some of those did some stupid things on line and at least one lost his job because of this. After those incidents EZY went back to the old scheme, above 45 tonnes aircrafts to be concidered for DEP, so I was told at least.
When I joined EZY I had +4500 hours and still I was put on TRSS, I agree with you it's a silly concept and I don't like it.
However it does help putting these guys into the right seat with an experienced EZY captain to start with, rather than putting them straight into the left seat of an Airbus. A much better combination than putting the Embraer guy in the left seat with a new cadet in the right seat. That's what EZY did and the outcome wasn't good and that's why to my knowledge this has been stopped/ doesn't happen anymore.
I hope this helps your lack of understanding.
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TFC, Ok but what if an FO like myself currently flying CRJ happens to apply to EZ ? will I have to go to a TRSS or a DEP scheme ? If it's TRSS then they can keep there vacancy and give them to a CTC cadet 
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Some who came from Bae146 and Embraer were taken on as direct entry captains. Some of those did some stupid things on line and at least one lost his job because of this.
