Join the high pay airline - captains earn 40K GBP/yr!!!
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Join the high pay airline - captains earn 40K GBP/yr!!!
The following information has been published on a website with very good (i.e. firsthand) insight into the workings of ryanair and the T&C's that their pilots work under.
It might be worth having a quick comparison between these numbers and the numbers in the fancy banner ad above. I am not inferring that RYR are lying or decieveing the people it hopes to recruit - but I do infer that there is - as usual - more than meets the eye.
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Again, this information is not something that I have from first-hand-sources, but through trusted channels that deal with employment issues in RYR on a day-to-day basis. The information might still be flawed, inaccurate or misleading (the susual disclaimers apply...
) - but might give people food for thought and the incentive to seek more detailed information themselves before comitting their signatures to paper with a RYR letterhead.
It might be worth having a quick comparison between these numbers and the numbers in the fancy banner ad above. I am not inferring that RYR are lying or decieveing the people it hopes to recruit - but I do infer that there is - as usual - more than meets the eye.
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We have been informed that the new basic salary for (all?) new captains is €58,500 (Stg40,000). In keeping with the terms of the new "pay deal" a year 1 captain will thus earn a basic salary of €52,650 (Stg£36,000).
This information has been confirmed by several sources and by reference to Ryanair documents.
Less clear are reports of a new basic salary of €52,650 being offered to some pilots. While this is obviously 90% of the figure we have confirmed, there are strong suggestions that some pilots have been told that this is their new basic. This implies that new captains would then receive a basic salary of €47,385 in their first year.
/UNQUOTEThis information has been confirmed by several sources and by reference to Ryanair documents.
Less clear are reports of a new basic salary of €52,650 being offered to some pilots. While this is obviously 90% of the figure we have confirmed, there are strong suggestions that some pilots have been told that this is their new basic. This implies that new captains would then receive a basic salary of €47,385 in their first year.
Again, this information is not something that I have from first-hand-sources, but through trusted channels that deal with employment issues in RYR on a day-to-day basis. The information might still be flawed, inaccurate or misleading (the susual disclaimers apply...
) - but might give people food for thought and the incentive to seek more detailed information themselves before comitting their signatures to paper with a RYR letterhead.
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I can confirm the validity of the report, these are figures being talked about for all newly promoted Captains in Ryanair ...... It is also fair to say that F/O's in a lot of other companies earn more than some Ryanair Captain's now !
Only a question of time before salaries are cut for the longer serving pilots too ......
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Empty Cruise, don't be so coy with your comments about the banner ad - Ryanair is deceiving people regarding expected salaries !!!
Only a question of time before salaries are cut for the longer serving pilots too ......
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Empty Cruise, don't be so coy with your comments about the banner ad - Ryanair is deceiving people regarding expected salaries !!!
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C57,
agreed, RYR will
you over in an instant if they get half a chance. However, they are also very adept in using legal threats to supress information that they don't want circulated in fora like this.
So to spare Danny the burden of having another letter from "Dublin Law"
, I thought it might be best to apply the usual disclaimers...
...you get me?
agreed, RYR will
you over in an instant if they get half a chance. However, they are also very adept in using legal threats to supress information that they don't want circulated in fora like this.So to spare Danny the burden of having another letter from "Dublin Law"
, I thought it might be best to apply the usual disclaimers......you get me?
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Oh well my 25 year old son earns as much as a Ryanair captain. How much lower will people be prepared to go before they find another job.
"Show me your pay cheque I'll show you your status". What has the industry come to.
"Show me your pay cheque I'll show you your status". What has the industry come to.
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I would not work for such poor pay. Go to the Middle East or Asia. You will get double the pay. Good luck. Dublin Law can drop dead. They have no legal recourse on a private forum. This is considered heresay anyway.
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A colleague who is a Captain with RYR has two letters confirming his employment, required for the Basic Disclosure etc. which show his basic salary. The first, dated Jan 2007 states that his flight allowances will amount to 'an additional £25.000.00
The second letter, dated October 2007 quotes the figure, under the 'New Deal' of £18.000.00
The salary paid to any pilot based outside of the UK is about the same figure except it is in euros.
There's progress, Irish style!
The second letter, dated October 2007 quotes the figure, under the 'New Deal' of £18.000.00
The salary paid to any pilot based outside of the UK is about the same figure except it is in euros.
There's progress, Irish style!
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If O'leary (pilot hater) does reduce the long term capt/FO's salary then all he will achieve is pushing western pilots away from employment with him. I feel for the guys at ryanair, I really do. Two pals of mine work there one as a capt and the other as an FO, they hate the company and see the only saving grace as decent pay (once they start paying you that is) and high hours so they will be attractive elsewhere. It's another step by bean counters towards degrading our value. 
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Last year my sector pay was just over £20,400 tax paid, so for a high rate taxpayer that would equate to about £34,000 before tax.
That was for about 850 hrs so = £24 per hr.
All pilots get the same sector pay at the moment although the company would like F/Os to get less.
That was for about 850 hrs so = £24 per hr.
All pilots get the same sector pay at the moment although the company would like F/Os to get less.
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This is complete and utter rubbish. STN Captain salary is approx GBP 56k, GRO Captain salary is EURO 64k. Sector pay on top of that.
New Captains in a base with the new agreement receive 90% of the basic Captain salary. Thus Bristol, Alicante,VLC, PSA, CIA, EMA and LTN etc...
Captain's salary in BRS is for example GBP 54,787 plus an annual allowance of GBP 5k - thus a new Captain gets GBP 59787 x 90%. which is GBP 53800. Plus the sector pay tax paid is approx GBP 20,000 plus. Why do people make up this rubbish about Ryanair and post it on websites. I read this and did not believe it and simply asked personnel in STN for the details. Even if you do not like Ryanair - why not try and ask someone in the back office in STN what the accurate figures are. Why tell lies and make stuff up?
New Captains in a base with the new agreement receive 90% of the basic Captain salary. Thus Bristol, Alicante,VLC, PSA, CIA, EMA and LTN etc...
Captain's salary in BRS is for example GBP 54,787 plus an annual allowance of GBP 5k - thus a new Captain gets GBP 59787 x 90%. which is GBP 53800. Plus the sector pay tax paid is approx GBP 20,000 plus. Why do people make up this rubbish about Ryanair and post it on websites. I read this and did not believe it and simply asked personnel in STN for the details. Even if you do not like Ryanair - why not try and ask someone in the back office in STN what the accurate figures are. Why tell lies and make stuff up?
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Inveritas, You are right, there is a lot of rubbish and rumours posted, but after all, this is a rumour network, putting that aside, as you are probably aware, these rumours all start somewhere, and at the moment there’s a lot of unrest regarding the next pay ‘deal’ i.e. FO’s getting a pay cut, and Captains getting a pay rise, so in a company where everybody’s on a different contract/pay deal there is bound to be some confusion. And as we know, you can ask in the back office but its not neccesarilly true! (Well it maybe at that moment, but I can guarantee that ten minutes later you will probably get a different answer) they just tell you what you want to hear. And as for the banner ad, what a load if rubbish!
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I wouldn't count on that, FOK...
If RYR offer you a basic of 40K/yr and promise you sectorpay on top of this, it might sound like a good enough deal for the new upgrades. Obviously, people being hired from outside the company will be offered a higher initial basic - but don't worry, a "New Deal" will be brought in a couple of years later, adjusting us all to the same (i.e. lower) basic.
I am on 53,2K basic plus an average of 21,6K sector pay. If you correct the latter figure for top tax rate (i.e. divide by 0.6), your reach 36K + 53K = 89K gross of taxes.
If you promise an FO with only RYR experience that he could earn 36K+40K = 76K gross, it might seem like a good deal. And I have worked in other companies where you would be on 76K - albeit plus benefits, pension etc. etc.
So yes, the upgrade FOs will take it - don't worry about that. Dismissing it out of hand is lack of knowledge of RYR mentality and mindset, I'm afraid
If RYR offer you a basic of 40K/yr and promise you sectorpay on top of this, it might sound like a good enough deal for the new upgrades. Obviously, people being hired from outside the company will be offered a higher initial basic - but don't worry, a "New Deal" will be brought in a couple of years later, adjusting us all to the same (i.e. lower) basic.
I am on 53,2K basic plus an average of 21,6K sector pay. If you correct the latter figure for top tax rate (i.e. divide by 0.6), your reach 36K + 53K = 89K gross of taxes.
If you promise an FO with only RYR experience that he could earn 36K+40K = 76K gross, it might seem like a good deal. And I have worked in other companies where you would be on 76K - albeit plus benefits, pension etc. etc.
So yes, the upgrade FOs will take it - don't worry about that. Dismissing it out of hand is lack of knowledge of RYR mentality and mindset, I'm afraid
