flyglobespan let pilots go
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flyglobespan let pilots go
Latest news flyglobespan has let lots of its contractors go and some paye with one months notice. They say its because the winter is quite. Nice people working for the airline but i wouldnt touch this airline as they cannot be trusted in keeping promisies that were never kept.
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Thats a real shame to see this happen.Having worked with Globespan in the past i found them a great bunch of people.I hope these issues are resolved quickly.Good luck folks.
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as far as i know most were and will be told over the next couple of days, You are correct its a real shame some good people in the company and if this is how they treat there hardworking staff they deserve not to have them including the cabin staff. I dont think the contract company dealing with the lay offs has shined themselves in glory either, left a lot of people hanging on over the last month or two. I will let you guess who they are. Good luck to all those still in there, hope it works out.
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the deal some guys have been offered is half salary for three months but they do not get a penny until they rejoin in march if guys are happy not getting paid during winter so be it. the issue is that when guys are given 12 month contracts a few months ago and then let go, thats wrong. If anyone heard of a better deal please post them on this site.
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There are a load of 73 jobs going world-wide at them moment. Especially in the far east. Might be good for a few months. Winter in Malaysia and back to Scotland in April.
Not exactly a great advert for GSM though is it?
Not exactly a great advert for GSM though is it?
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S a s,
Why doesn't it look good for GSM? I think seasonal rationalisation is an ideal strategy for a Lo-cost operator. But feel free to keep up your 'GSM bashing' if you wish.
Why doesn't it look good for GSM? I think seasonal rationalisation is an ideal strategy for a Lo-cost operator. But feel free to keep up your 'GSM bashing' if you wish.
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I'm not bashing GSM, but the current problems don't look good if you are a prospective employee.
They have had problems keeping experienced crews. Getting rid of contractors over the winter period won't exactly help matters.
I'm seeing this as an outside person with no agenda. I've always thought that GSM were a good company and really good for the industry. I'm not so sure now.
Losing approvals and then making pilots semi-redundant isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
They have had problems keeping experienced crews. Getting rid of contractors over the winter period won't exactly help matters.
I'm seeing this as an outside person with no agenda. I've always thought that GSM were a good company and really good for the industry. I'm not so sure now.
Losing approvals and then making pilots semi-redundant isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
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I've spoken to a pal of mine who is both angry and philisophical about the whole thing (If that's possible).
He's been offered half salary for Dec, Jan and Feb with a view to returning in March. However, this money will not be paid until his return, Globespan want him to be on a 10 day standby over this period, and he IS NOT to do any other flying unless he has the written permission of the company.
Half the wages (unpaid for three months) and an inability to do work elsewhere to make up the salary differance is pretty un-reasonable in his view. It's this bit that has made him angry. If I were in his shoes I'd be feeling a bit p!ssed off at that clause in the contract too.
Reading between the lines, it would appear GSM have taken a hit and expect a quiet winter. They know they need crews for the summer and are trying to procure them early. But I feel they're going the wrong way around it.
If I were GSM management I'd think long and hard about potentially restricting the amount of flying a guy can do when you've just effectively offered that guy a 50% pay cut. Who would sign up for that? Who can AFFORD to sign up for that with Xmas just around the corner?
He's been offered half salary for Dec, Jan and Feb with a view to returning in March. However, this money will not be paid until his return, Globespan want him to be on a 10 day standby over this period, and he IS NOT to do any other flying unless he has the written permission of the company.
Half the wages (unpaid for three months) and an inability to do work elsewhere to make up the salary differance is pretty un-reasonable in his view. It's this bit that has made him angry. If I were in his shoes I'd be feeling a bit p!ssed off at that clause in the contract too.
Reading between the lines, it would appear GSM have taken a hit and expect a quiet winter. They know they need crews for the summer and are trying to procure them early. But I feel they're going the wrong way around it.
If I were GSM management I'd think long and hard about potentially restricting the amount of flying a guy can do when you've just effectively offered that guy a 50% pay cut. Who would sign up for that? Who can AFFORD to sign up for that with Xmas just around the corner?
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Why don't we admit it Gentlemen, this airline is corrupt and bankrupt, both in cashflow and ethics, the sooner it admits defeat and goes under the sooner the fools clinging to the dream of working for a jet operator might see the light and actually find a real one!
I am fed up with reading how 'wonderful the people are'. They are wonderful in any company that someone is crapping on because common adversity always brings out a team spirit. What do you think the management trade on in such times for Gods sake!
Wake up, your company is all but gone. Get your CV's out to real jet operators and save your arses while you can.
I am fed up with reading how 'wonderful the people are'. They are wonderful in any company that someone is crapping on because common adversity always brings out a team spirit. What do you think the management trade on in such times for Gods sake!
Wake up, your company is all but gone. Get your CV's out to real jet operators and save your arses while you can.
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I don’t know what the big deal is, many companies lay off contractors in the winter, ok, I know Flyglobespan has not had the best summer season, but I think they can overcome this difficult period. I think just about every low cost carrier has had difficult times at some stage or another.
Ella, there are many good people at Flyglobespan, not only are your comments derogatory they are libellous, and as for the ‘fools clinging onto their jobs’ you should show a little bit more compassion, they are good people trying to pay mortgages and support families. I think you need to grow up a bit!
Ella, there are many good people at Flyglobespan, not only are your comments derogatory they are libellous, and as for the ‘fools clinging onto their jobs’ you should show a little bit more compassion, they are good people trying to pay mortgages and support families. I think you need to grow up a bit!
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supergimp you mention that most companies let contractors go, do most companies give there staff a 12 month contract and then let them go a few months into that contract, that has been the case for a lot of guys. If you are happy with that, thats your opionion, this is is not a bash at the good people working there,this is factual information.
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GSM hardly unique here
Just read on another thread running alongside this one that BMI are currently making similar moves
The airline seems to have been overcrewed as winter approaches and expansion plans have been put on hold. Numbers that they had previously anticipated needing are no longer required. People that have been offered contracts are now surplus to requirements. Crew have been offered unpaid leave.
Just poiniting out GSM are not a unique case; however a lot of people on here want them torched for their actions. I will agree, I'm sure it's not a nice situation to be in, however airlines are businesses and business is a very fickle world indeed.
The airline seems to have been overcrewed as winter approaches and expansion plans have been put on hold. Numbers that they had previously anticipated needing are no longer required. People that have been offered contracts are now surplus to requirements. Crew have been offered unpaid leave.
Just poiniting out GSM are not a unique case; however a lot of people on here want them torched for their actions. I will agree, I'm sure it's not a nice situation to be in, however airlines are businesses and business is a very fickle world indeed.
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Oskar,
The answer is yes!
I can absolutely empathize with the contractors that have been let go, it must be a very difficult position that they have been left in, however, as unethical as it may be the agencies are not breaking any rules, I know, I am a contractor and in my contract it says they can let me go with one months notice, however far into the contract I am. It is the risk that all contractors face, that’s why they receive more money.
The answer is yes!
I can absolutely empathize with the contractors that have been let go, it must be a very difficult position that they have been left in, however, as unethical as it may be the agencies are not breaking any rules, I know, I am a contractor and in my contract it says they can let me go with one months notice, however far into the contract I am. It is the risk that all contractors face, that’s why they receive more money.
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re BMI
"Just read on another thread running alongside this one that BMI are currently making similar moves"
Not quite the same as there are no contract workers in the mainline Pilot workforce (can't speak for baby or regional), so while they have been looking for volunteers for unpaid winter leave they are not forcing anyone out, just don't expect an interview too soon.
Not quite the same as there are no contract workers in the mainline Pilot workforce (can't speak for baby or regional), so while they have been looking for volunteers for unpaid winter leave they are not forcing anyone out, just don't expect an interview too soon.
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Likewise at bmibaby,
Despite expected transfer of 6 FOs to Mainline being halted, last intake of new FOs was not cancelled. We are fortunate to have a CP who realises the value of goodwill and sees beyond the short term.
Despite expected transfer of 6 FOs to Mainline being halted, last intake of new FOs was not cancelled. We are fortunate to have a CP who realises the value of goodwill and sees beyond the short term.
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Call Ryanair at East Mids, they will welcome any experianced NG drivers with open arms.
I am very sorry to be leaving globespan. If anyone from Icelandair reads this thanks for the 2 heaps of scrap you sent us over the summer. Icelandic........in true form the bottom feeders of aviation.
I am very sorry to be leaving globespan. If anyone from Icelandair reads this thanks for the 2 heaps of scrap you sent us over the summer. Icelandic........in true form the bottom feeders of aviation.
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LAX,
Again, Icelandair has NOTHING to do with this, they never lost their ETOPS and are a very professional airline.
I strongly suggest you to withdraw your post as Icelandair has tens of years experience in Oceanic flights, they do nothing else.
We are recruiting, but with such an attitude, I can't recommend you. A pity as my current airline has far more attractive conditions than FR ever will.
Again, Icelandair has NOTHING to do with this, they never lost their ETOPS and are a very professional airline.
I strongly suggest you to withdraw your post as Icelandair has tens of years experience in Oceanic flights, they do nothing else.
We are recruiting, but with such an attitude, I can't recommend you. A pity as my current airline has far more attractive conditions than FR ever will.