BA and BALPA already agreed on EU 757 Pilots
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OK. Seeing as my question is being ignored, I will answer it myself.
The GO pilots were never on the BA seniority list. Therefore, you weren't worried about setting up a COMPETING AIRLINE IN LONDON, LET ALONE EUROPE......
If you didn't demand this in GO, then why now?>
...because the BAC screwed up. It won't happen again.
OK. Seeing as my question is being ignored, I will answer it myself.
The GO pilots were never on the BA seniority list. Therefore, you weren't worried about setting up a COMPETING AIRLINE IN LONDON, LET ALONE EUROPE......
If you didn't demand this in GO, then why now?>
...because the BAC screwed up. It won't happen again.
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HF, I'm impressed that you have knowledge of the product on offer from PL. My understanding (from the mouth of a very well connected horse, who must I'm afraid remain anon) is that the offer has yet to be decided even at this late stage. But what is known is that the full BA brand, as we know it, will not be on offer.
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The specifics of what PL offers are not important. We know it will offer a premium product and probably an economy product and it will be on BA airframes. That's enough to know it's a threat.
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900,
You should be.
The premium product at this stage is unlikely to include the flat beds as they're not compatible with the 757s. They are with 767s though....
Right, I'm off. Not a lot else to add really. See you on the other side.....
You should be.
The premium product at this stage is unlikely to include the flat beds as they're not compatible with the 757s. They are with 767s though....
Right, I'm off. Not a lot else to add really. See you on the other side.....
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Here's a clue, the website is www.fly*********.com
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Why bother coming on here if you are only going to post unfunny guessing game type tripe.
Please leave this topic and indeed pprune for those that actually
1. have something useful to contribute
2. work in the industry/have something to contribute to the industry
3. are ACTUALLY funny.
Why bother coming on here if you are only going to post unfunny guessing game type tripe.
Please leave this topic and indeed pprune for those that actually
1. have something useful to contribute
2. work in the industry/have something to contribute to the industry
3. are ACTUALLY funny.
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No, it was because you were being an arse and all smug with what you did know. Why you just couldn't post what you knew in the first place i don't know. A
No, it was because you were being an arse and all smug with what you did know. Why you just couldn't post what you knew in the first place i don't know. A
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A rather more significant announcement regarding this 'venture' will be made towards the end of next week.
I don't know of anyone expecting good news!
Likely to make the opening of BA's 'flagship' T5 a little messy to say the least!
I don't know of anyone expecting good news!
Likely to make the opening of BA's 'flagship' T5 a little messy to say the least!
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I don't understand everything here, but as announced it is only going to be 82 seats. How does that match with SCOPE?
I am interested in PL as DEC and I think it is best for all pilots if we are indeed on one seniority list. Even if I am not interested to fly for mainline at all.
I am interested in PL as DEC and I think it is best for all pilots if we are indeed on one seniority list. Even if I am not interested to fly for mainline at all.
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I can see the BA side to this... the answer is predicting and controlling costs.
If the Openskys pilots are placed on the mainline seniority list and openskys is open to mailine pilots as a bid then training costs will soar.
Lets face it most openskys first officers would be bidding straight into mainline as soon as their (presumed) 5 year freeze is up, these pilots have to be replaced and ratings / training is a big cost. Also with mainline pilots taking commands in openskys they will be there for again say 5 years then bidding back to mainline, this generates costs on both sides to mainline and openskys. By keeping openskys a seperate entity these costs can be predicted and controlled.
I cannot see a mainline pilot giving up his pension rights to go for a command in openskys either.... next Balpa will be demanding that the "mainline" pilots retain their company pension contributions whilst working for openskys.... then open skys will want the same deal etc again costs soar.
I can see the fear of the mainline pilots over the threat of openskys to their t and c. Perhaps a different approach will be needed... an agreement that openskys will never operate into UK airfields? never "W" pattern into the UK etc? and it is kept an entirely seperate entity in europe with no rights either way of pilots transferring to mainline or vice versa.
If the Openskys pilots are placed on the mainline seniority list and openskys is open to mailine pilots as a bid then training costs will soar.
Lets face it most openskys first officers would be bidding straight into mainline as soon as their (presumed) 5 year freeze is up, these pilots have to be replaced and ratings / training is a big cost. Also with mainline pilots taking commands in openskys they will be there for again say 5 years then bidding back to mainline, this generates costs on both sides to mainline and openskys. By keeping openskys a seperate entity these costs can be predicted and controlled.
I cannot see a mainline pilot giving up his pension rights to go for a command in openskys either.... next Balpa will be demanding that the "mainline" pilots retain their company pension contributions whilst working for openskys.... then open skys will want the same deal etc again costs soar.
I can see the fear of the mainline pilots over the threat of openskys to their t and c. Perhaps a different approach will be needed... an agreement that openskys will never operate into UK airfields? never "W" pattern into the UK etc? and it is kept an entirely seperate entity in europe with no rights either way of pilots transferring to mainline or vice versa.
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BA have stated that pension contributions will be protected for secondees.
Ironically the OpenLies contribution rate is better than the BA BARP rate.
As the only secondees are likely to be junior DEP bidding for command, therefore Barpers, this is another example where BA claim it will increase costs whereas in reality it is cheaper for them.
Ironically the OpenLies contribution rate is better than the BA BARP rate.
As the only secondees are likely to be junior DEP bidding for command, therefore Barpers, this is another example where BA claim it will increase costs whereas in reality it is cheaper for them.