Should Ryan Air Pilots Strike???
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MOL really plays his staff like puppets, he's knows all too well that all the young low houred F/O's are up to there neck in debt, unless it was going to be an all out strike (there's always going to be scabs out there who will try and profit) there just putting there head in the noose, for every 1 he gets rid of there's 10 ready to take his place. the good old day flying BAC 1-11's for Dan Air have gone accept it, if you don't like the job do something else and fly for fun, to hire a 152 nowadays is 100 quid an hour, and for something decent its going to be 300 quid, but you do have the freedom to fly were you want when you want and how you want!
Start an Airline MOL has made plenty of money out of it!!!
Start an Airline MOL has made plenty of money out of it!!!
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The strategy of Ryanair is to destroy the competition. The harder your son works for Ryanair the more the opposition is destroyed. In the future, your boys only option may be to stay with the monster he has helped create.
The hard fact is that every day you labour for ryr is another chip away at your chances of a rewarding career. Short term illusion of gain but long term you got nothing.
"the good old day flying BAC 1-11's for Dan Air have gone accept it, if you don't like the job do something else "
Hollywood285.. I fail to see the relevance of your comment.
From your age I can say you never flew the 1-11 at Dans !
I am an ex Ryan driver,now at the Orange crowd, flying with excellent skippers, like the one last week who flew 1-11's..
The industry is changing. It is now becoming a rarity for guys and girls to NOT pay for type ratings. MOL is only part of the disease.
Hollywood285.. I fail to see the relevance of your comment.
From your age I can say you never flew the 1-11 at Dans !
I am an ex Ryan driver,now at the Orange crowd, flying with excellent skippers, like the one last week who flew 1-11's..
The industry is changing. It is now becoming a rarity for guys and girls to NOT pay for type ratings. MOL is only part of the disease.
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My uncle was a skipper with them for 30 years, I feel like I've flown everyone of them! What i'm trying to say is the conditions for this high profile job i.e. Airline Captain not as good as they were back in the 80's and the way the worlds going will never be.
BTW I did fly DAN AIR, but was only 8 years old and had an hour in the cockpit(the day i decided i wanted to fly aircraft), them days have also gone
BTW I did fly DAN AIR, but was only 8 years old and had an hour in the cockpit(the day i decided i wanted to fly aircraft), them days have also gone
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It's no wonder that our industry is going down the drain. Thanks to that horrible word, CADET. People who go and work for the likes of M&S and then wake up one morning and suddenly say "I want to be an airline pilot" and then buy themselves a job.
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Well put. not much point having a frozen ATPL and the only thing you can fly is a 152 with a Green license.
I have never once paid for a rating in 20 years , but that would not stop me if i knew it would help me get the job,
I have never once paid for a rating in 20 years , but that would not stop me if i knew it would help me get the job,
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‘Ryan Air is full of Pilots who have essentially 'bought' themselves an airline Job’
Do you mean like medical and law students or teachers etc running into thousands of pound of debt to qualify?
Do you feel equally contemptuous of those who buy private education for their children. That surely is partly about ‘buying’ a job!
If you think that it is Ryanair pilots that are the cause of the change in the aviation industry you clearly live in the fantasy world your title suggests.
The likes of Laker fortunately set the ball rolling for the big change in perceptions of air travel when the masses suddenly saw that it was possible to travel relatively cheaply and no longer the prerogative of the rich. Providing cheap flights and surviving requires a different business plan to that employed by earlier attempts. The likes of Ryanair and others have adopted different models and doubtlessly accelerated the process in recent years.
In 1960 I paid £33 single to fly to Malta, I was earning £6 a week working fulltime. Thank god for the change even if the feathers of some who wish to live in the past and impress their neighbours by their prestigious occupation are ruffled.
Destroying your prestige needs no support from Ryanair pilots, comments like yours adequately do the job. ‘Scraping the barrel’ is closer to home, I think!
Suggest you grind your axe on another stone.
Do you mean like medical and law students or teachers etc running into thousands of pound of debt to qualify?
Do you feel equally contemptuous of those who buy private education for their children. That surely is partly about ‘buying’ a job!
If you think that it is Ryanair pilots that are the cause of the change in the aviation industry you clearly live in the fantasy world your title suggests.
The likes of Laker fortunately set the ball rolling for the big change in perceptions of air travel when the masses suddenly saw that it was possible to travel relatively cheaply and no longer the prerogative of the rich. Providing cheap flights and surviving requires a different business plan to that employed by earlier attempts. The likes of Ryanair and others have adopted different models and doubtlessly accelerated the process in recent years.
In 1960 I paid £33 single to fly to Malta, I was earning £6 a week working fulltime. Thank god for the change even if the feathers of some who wish to live in the past and impress their neighbours by their prestigious occupation are ruffled.
Destroying your prestige needs no support from Ryanair pilots, comments like yours adequately do the job. ‘Scraping the barrel’ is closer to home, I think!
Suggest you grind your axe on another stone.
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Ahhh the perpetual Ryanair thread!
00Seven, I find your comments to be ill conceived and way past the mark. What qualifications do you have? Your info says nothing? Cadet? ex-mil? self sponsor? nothing?
In the current environment there are very few possibilies for attaining an ATPL without significant financial outlay. The main ones of these being obviously the military and cadet courses. Both of these require extensive interviewing, hard work and commitment. Also both of these tend to have or have had a vast number more applicants than available places. With the death of most cadet schemes post 9/11 this route has become even more difficult.
So where does that leave to rest of the people? Self sponsorship.
Then, looking to the future you have a pilot who has had the courage to put themselves financially on the line, have to conviction to attribute 2 years of their lives to attaining their 'dream' career and the will to see it through to the end despite a difficult job market. Also, with many individuals financing themselves with a second job (e.g. M&S) shows the deep level of commitment and hard work these people put in.
Unfortunately it is the high and mighty who have already made millions on the backs of their employees who have soured the profession we see today NOT the pilots or the cadets. Followed closely by the managers who either just want the cash or who are too scared to point out the companies failings. Who can blame anybody for wanting a job after having to fork out such huge capital sums. It is MOL who is exploiting thsese people by creating such derisiory T&C's. Any job is better than no job at the end of the day.
Instead of backbiting at the employees, it is a co-ordinated effort to cut off the snakes head and replace the senior managment with a more people friendly regieme that is required. Why does Easy do so well with its people? Because they listen and take action when required. Until MOL is removed he will continue to laugh all the way to the bank and his co-horts with him.
I think Ryan Air has a very professional bunch of flight crew who have to work and cope in an aggressive and unfriendly atmosphere. I look forward to the day when the company can be run in a better more open manner.
W2P
00Seven, I find your comments to be ill conceived and way past the mark. What qualifications do you have? Your info says nothing? Cadet? ex-mil? self sponsor? nothing?
In the current environment there are very few possibilies for attaining an ATPL without significant financial outlay. The main ones of these being obviously the military and cadet courses. Both of these require extensive interviewing, hard work and commitment. Also both of these tend to have or have had a vast number more applicants than available places. With the death of most cadet schemes post 9/11 this route has become even more difficult.
So where does that leave to rest of the people? Self sponsorship.
Then, looking to the future you have a pilot who has had the courage to put themselves financially on the line, have to conviction to attribute 2 years of their lives to attaining their 'dream' career and the will to see it through to the end despite a difficult job market. Also, with many individuals financing themselves with a second job (e.g. M&S) shows the deep level of commitment and hard work these people put in.
Unfortunately it is the high and mighty who have already made millions on the backs of their employees who have soured the profession we see today NOT the pilots or the cadets. Followed closely by the managers who either just want the cash or who are too scared to point out the companies failings. Who can blame anybody for wanting a job after having to fork out such huge capital sums. It is MOL who is exploiting thsese people by creating such derisiory T&C's. Any job is better than no job at the end of the day.
Instead of backbiting at the employees, it is a co-ordinated effort to cut off the snakes head and replace the senior managment with a more people friendly regieme that is required. Why does Easy do so well with its people? Because they listen and take action when required. Until MOL is removed he will continue to laugh all the way to the bank and his co-horts with him.
I think Ryan Air has a very professional bunch of flight crew who have to work and cope in an aggressive and unfriendly atmosphere. I look forward to the day when the company can be run in a better more open manner.
W2P
