Monarch T & C's
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From: germany
Interesting one TEN DOLLAR, because the current differance in Monarch CAPTAINS pay and F/O's pay is less than a £1200 / month.
The company have been penny pinching from the staff for a few years now, only to 'announce' they are buying $900,000,000 worth of 787's.
Make no mistake the staff are fed up.
The company have been penny pinching from the staff for a few years now, only to 'announce' they are buying $900,000,000 worth of 787's.
Make no mistake the staff are fed up.
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From: UK
I left 2.5 years ago, best move i made. I was there for 14 years, was an easy choice. With Bunny features at the helm, you will not get anywhere unless you all pull together.
Shame as the Spotty M has a great bunch of people upfront, shame its being destroyed by the toothy one
Shame as the Spotty M has a great bunch of people upfront, shame its being destroyed by the toothy one
Make no mistake Monarch Man et al; there is a stronger sense of unity within all ranks of seniority within the company than I have EVER seen in years.
For all our sakes, I hope the management also know this and deliver the goods as it will truely get ugly....and most certainly VERY costly.
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From: Midlands
nilcostoptionmyass - you're quite right, it is an interesting point earning
£1200+ take home more per month. As you say, that is similar money to a junior Monarch Captain. That's a hell of a lot of money more as a year 1 F/O without the Captains responsibility. £1200 per month is my mortgage per month. The simple fact is, I would not be able to afford my house if I was still at Monarch.
When comparing airline salaries it is not sufficient to look at the basic wage alone. At the end of the day it's actually what goes into your account at the end of the month that counts. My company's basic is only a few grand more. However it's the flight pay that makes all the difference. Flight pay is what the Monarch CC need to be pushing for. £2.52/hour away from base or whatever it is now, is bugger all on short haul at Monarch. For me it didn't even cover my petrol to work!!!!!
£1200+ take home more per month. As you say, that is similar money to a junior Monarch Captain. That's a hell of a lot of money more as a year 1 F/O without the Captains responsibility. £1200 per month is my mortgage per month. The simple fact is, I would not be able to afford my house if I was still at Monarch.
When comparing airline salaries it is not sufficient to look at the basic wage alone. At the end of the day it's actually what goes into your account at the end of the month that counts. My company's basic is only a few grand more. However it's the flight pay that makes all the difference. Flight pay is what the Monarch CC need to be pushing for. £2.52/hour away from base or whatever it is now, is bugger all on short haul at Monarch. For me it didn't even cover my petrol to work!!!!!
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I don't think rather childish personal insults to individuals really adds anything to the debate.
Anyhow, i wish you luck. What is Balpa membership up to these days??? 75%, or better?
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So I hear MM! If TJ and PB have any sense they will have made sure that RS has been plot changed to a morning TFS!! Although the truth is he's probably in Calgary
Let's hope that today management take this opportunity to send a positive message to the crews... and well done to the CC for finally getting their act together!
Let's hope that today management take this opportunity to send a positive message to the crews... and well done to the CC for finally getting their act together!
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From: UK
Probably quite predictably, TJ has called the pilots new pay-claim "unsustainable" and closed the pay meeting inside 5 minutes.
Accordingly he then offered to conduct a "private" meeting with the CC Chairman and the Chief BALPA negotiator, which were refused.
Let the games begin
TJ, I trust you can read, we will win sonny jim we will win.
Accordingly he then offered to conduct a "private" meeting with the CC Chairman and the Chief BALPA negotiator, which were refused.
Let the games begin
TJ, I trust you can read, we will win sonny jim we will win.
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From: Hampshire/Surrey
I was really p****d off with TJ's response. I hope if the next meeting is not conducted with more decorum in a transparent manner that the CC begin proceedings for a strike ballot.
Just in time for the beginning of the Summer season - NICE!!
If TJ thinks we haven't got it in us to strike he is seriously misjudging the mood this year.
Just in time for the beginning of the Summer season - NICE!!
If TJ thinks we haven't got it in us to strike he is seriously misjudging the mood this year.
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Many years ago I was sent by Balpa head office(I don't know why),a copy of a leaflet entitled "A participants Guide to Industrial Action".Perhaps an updated copy could be circulated or posted because I think we are going to need it!!
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From: 3rd Rock from the Sun
TJ's response was insulting to say the least. 
I'll happily strike if it comes to that without a second thought!
I'm sure the CC wont let this one drag out to October. If somthing substantial is not offered by the end of June we strike in July! Or was the busiest week in August according to the summer schedule.....
Better yet if he starts playing stupid games i think very slow taxiing is in order with fuel loads ooohhh a couple of tonnes in excess over plog, on CAVOK days, 3 tonnes
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Looking forward to the 10th.
I'll happily strike if it comes to that without a second thought!
I'm sure the CC wont let this one drag out to October. If somthing substantial is not offered by the end of June we strike in July! Or was the busiest week in August according to the summer schedule.....
Better yet if he starts playing stupid games i think very slow taxiing is in order with fuel loads ooohhh a couple of tonnes in excess over plog, on CAVOK days, 3 tonnes
......Looking forward to the 10th.
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From: Middle England
Strike!
I pulled an advert out of an old Flight Intl for Flybe saying 'Come join us you don't have to sacrifice your lifestyle...etc, salaries: TRE/TRI up to £90K, Captains up to £80K & F/Os up to £50K'. Now that is "up to" and the reality could be different for new joiners but none the less bloody good salaries for a regional airline. Does this not make the sub £70K salary for a new Monarch Captain look pathetic?
I seem to remember the days of bench marking salaries / T&Cs against the likes of Britannia and how disgusted everyone was when it looked like management were using easyjet as the bench mark. Well easyjet have exceeded us in nearly every respect, so are we now aligning our selves with the turboprop operators? It certainly looks that way.
Think I will pin that advert up in the crew room just the see the effect it has.
Bring on the strike!
I seem to remember the days of bench marking salaries / T&Cs against the likes of Britannia and how disgusted everyone was when it looked like management were using easyjet as the bench mark. Well easyjet have exceeded us in nearly every respect, so are we now aligning our selves with the turboprop operators? It certainly looks that way.
Think I will pin that advert up in the crew room just the see the effect it has.
Bring on the strike!
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From: UK
Flybe advert
Don't be fooled by the Flybe add. They are trying to plug their own holes in terms of pilot retention. That add is misleading, as I can assure you that a jet captain will be on under £60k.
As a jet F/O with them with 3 years servce I was on about £36k
As a jet F/O with them with 3 years servce I was on about £36k
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From: Middle England
Oh don't get me wrong I don't think I am fooled by the Flybe advert, but it does highlight the improvements that they have had to make to retain and attract new pilots after their mass exodus. Will the same happen in Monarch??
