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differently to a A319? Practically the same flight deck so I ask what is wrong with flying a A319 for 35 years.
Lifestyle is much better on long haul, and once you have flown a little A319 for 10 years doing London Alicante, London Paris, London Milan, all the week, all the year, you will be fed up
On long haul, you have more pay, more days off with your familly, and at least you know something else than A319
Bleeds off, it is not because you know people that have only flown TP aircraft that flying the A319 forever is a good thing ! I dont think so !
easyjet is very good to start, but after the command, it is time to move to better pasture, that's for sure!
I am a wanabee ATPL frozen pilot, but I have been flying as cabin crew for 3 years in a flag carrier airline, so I know about rosters
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"A good thing" as you say it varies according to individuals. What may be boring for you may not be so for others.... But I am not going to expand over it since you have not experienced yet what a pilot life is all about.
Even if you always fly the same routes, there will always be room for progress. It's just a matter of state of mind.
Ambition is good. But prove u're worth yours first. And be wary of prejudices and certitudes before hand.
All the best
Even if you always fly the same routes, there will always be room for progress. It's just a matter of state of mind.
Ambition is good. But prove u're worth yours first. And be wary of prejudices and certitudes before hand.
All the best
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Well, it's just a different operation! I'm flying on longhaul for 6 years now, and you get fed up as well if you always fly Tokio, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok. It's even harder due to a long flight time and a lot of jetleg . I don't give a damn about flying a B777 or a CRJ (which I flew before). You have the cockpit door, and every cockpit is more or less the same no matter the weight is 30 or 300 tons! It's nice at the beginning and a good experience, but after some time it's just an aircraft like all others! And the operation is much more boring in my opinion. The only advantage in my eyes is the freetime you have after a flight.
I don't understand at all why airlines like emirates want to have widebody hours! Sometimes I think flying a dash 8 is much more work and a better experience than flying a B777 where I sometimes do just 1 landing the month!!! The other time I just sit around and watch the other 2 guys doing the landing
. After all the conditions and the future perspectives are much more important for me. And they are pretty good at EZY and much better than in my present company unfortunately. Yes there are B777 operaters in europe where the conditions are bad if you compare those with EZY!
Well everybody has to decide which operation is better for himself.... But longhaul operation is not as exciting as a lot of guys think it is!!!!
. I don't give a damn about flying a B777 or a CRJ (which I flew before). You have the cockpit door, and every cockpit is more or less the same no matter the weight is 30 or 300 tons! It's nice at the beginning and a good experience, but after some time it's just an aircraft like all others! And the operation is much more boring in my opinion. The only advantage in my eyes is the freetime you have after a flight.I don't understand at all why airlines like emirates want to have widebody hours! Sometimes I think flying a dash 8 is much more work and a better experience than flying a B777 where I sometimes do just 1 landing the month!!! The other time I just sit around and watch the other 2 guys doing the landing
. After all the conditions and the future perspectives are much more important for me. And they are pretty good at EZY and much better than in my present company unfortunately. Yes there are B777 operaters in europe where the conditions are bad if you compare those with EZY!Well everybody has to decide which operation is better for himself.... But longhaul operation is not as exciting as a lot of guys think it is!!!!
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And after flying a heavy for 10 years I'd get fed up of that to. One of our Captains has gone long haul and took a big pay cut.
Nuageblanc since you do not seem to have any idea about flying, if you take off at max take off weight in a A319 and need to return you will be over your landing weight and need to burn off fuel to be at a more acceptable landing weight, that rule applies to all aircraft regardless of size. Flying a large A330 is no different to flying a A319 same flightdeck that's why Airbus designed them this way so crews could change between the Airbus family with little fuss.
Clearly Nuageblanc size matters to you, are you lacking something in the trousers department? If a A340 makes a good penis extension then good luck to you. Get qualified first before you go telling the pro's what the better option for them is.
Nuageblanc since you do not seem to have any idea about flying, if you take off at max take off weight in a A319 and need to return you will be over your landing weight and need to burn off fuel to be at a more acceptable landing weight, that rule applies to all aircraft regardless of size. Flying a large A330 is no different to flying a A319 same flightdeck that's why Airbus designed them this way so crews could change between the Airbus family with little fuss.
Clearly Nuageblanc size matters to you, are you lacking something in the trousers department? If a A340 makes a good penis extension then good luck to you. Get qualified first before you go telling the pro's what the better option for them is.
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Ezy oversea Bases
What about taxes and stuff like that (income taxes and national insurance) for continental bases.
I heard in MXP, ORY the situation is really complicated and the salaries are not that competitive anymore.....
Any truth?
I heard in MXP, ORY the situation is really complicated and the salaries are not that competitive anymore.....
Any truth?
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And after flying a heavy for 10 years I'd get fed up of that to. One of our Captains has gone long haul and took a big pay cut.
transatlantic flight is very particular and is worth doing it, at least for some years, in a pilot's career !
Yes Airbus has similar cockpit but can you tell me why on your licence you have A320 type rating and NOT A340 nor A330 ? the answer is simple: it is a different aircraft and different type rating !
The argument that tells me I have to shut off because I am a wanabee... it is just not very clever
By the way dear bleed off, are you at easyjet at least ??
Guillaume
You are right you are a wanabee but unlike most wanabees you seem to think you know best.
You are still going on about why a pilot should do this and shouldn't do that.
Why should a pilot do transatlantic? I get bored after 1 hour in the cruise why would I want to be bored for 13 hours looking at ocean? I think most pilots would say long haul flying is really boring but it's worth it for the night stops and that's fine it suits them and they enjoy it.
I would rather get the £90,000+ a year with Ezy than go to another airline that will take me the best part of 15-20 years to reach that level and I see my family every day.
No airline is perfect, different one's suit different people, some like short haul and some like long haul, me I would like to do long haul for no more than 6 months because after that I would get fed up with it. Short haul suits me better and I think Ezy is one of the better short haul jobs.
Since you know everything and yes you are right I don't have the A330 or A340 on my licence only the 737 and A320 along with a few turbo props, but since you have a wealth of knowledge and experience in aviation how long do you think it would take me to get the A330 on my licence since it's a completly different aircraft and type according to you?
You are still going on about why a pilot should do this and shouldn't do that.
Why should a pilot do transatlantic? I get bored after 1 hour in the cruise why would I want to be bored for 13 hours looking at ocean? I think most pilots would say long haul flying is really boring but it's worth it for the night stops and that's fine it suits them and they enjoy it.
I would rather get the £90,000+ a year with Ezy than go to another airline that will take me the best part of 15-20 years to reach that level and I see my family every day.
No airline is perfect, different one's suit different people, some like short haul and some like long haul, me I would like to do long haul for no more than 6 months because after that I would get fed up with it. Short haul suits me better and I think Ezy is one of the better short haul jobs.
Since you know everything and yes you are right I don't have the A330 or A340 on my licence only the 737 and A320 along with a few turbo props, but since you have a wealth of knowledge and experience in aviation how long do you think it would take me to get the A330 on my licence since it's a completly different aircraft and type according to you?
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No sir!
If you think me not being with EZ makes my point irrelevant, that's ok. You just will understand by the time you are in a situation of standing back from an experience you will have fought really hard to get.
A lot of kids dream to fly a 747. Not all of them make it come true... and those who have, have also grown mature in the meantime...
To my knowledge, you even have not proven that any employer have accepted you as a junior copilot, so please, get a job first, before being condescending with those who have elected to fly a 319 for 35 years. Aviation is also a matter of handling priorities.
Basic principles have nothing to do with being with EZ or another operator. If you cannot understand that, I am sorry for you.
If you think me not being with EZ makes my point irrelevant, that's ok. You just will understand by the time you are in a situation of standing back from an experience you will have fought really hard to get.
A lot of kids dream to fly a 747. Not all of them make it come true... and those who have, have also grown mature in the meantime...
To my knowledge, you even have not proven that any employer have accepted you as a junior copilot, so please, get a job first, before being condescending with those who have elected to fly a 319 for 35 years. Aviation is also a matter of handling priorities.
Basic principles have nothing to do with being with EZ or another operator. If you cannot understand that, I am sorry for you.
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You are right you are a wanabee but unlike most wanabees you seem to think you know best.
You are still going on about why a pilot should do this and shouldn't do that.
Why should a pilot do transatlantic? I get bored after 1 hour in the cruise why would I want to be bored for 13 hours looking at ocean? I think most pilots would say long haul flying is really boring but it's worth it for the night stops and that's fine it suits them and they enjoy it.
You are still going on about why a pilot should do this and shouldn't do that.
Why should a pilot do transatlantic? I get bored after 1 hour in the cruise why would I want to be bored for 13 hours looking at ocean? I think most pilots would say long haul flying is really boring but it's worth it for the night stops and that's fine it suits them and they enjoy it.
You are explaining me that I because I am not flying at easyjet and I am a wanabee I cant be right when I speak about exhausting rosters, but YOU, you are what I would call a "long haul wanabee", you have never tried it yet unfortunataly but you wish (at least for "6 months" 
) and you in spite of not knowing long haul at all you are telling that is boring, and worse than medium haul !! Before giving me advices, please keep an eye on yourself first
Don't worry, you are not the only one with a lack of intelectual honesty ! Bleeds Off is not even at easyJet but HE reckons that he can speak about this unknown company, not me !
Since you know everything and yes you are right I don't have the A330 or A340 on my licence only the 737 and A320 along
I know I am right !!!Guillaume !
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bleeds off, try to successfuly join easyjet first, and then you will be able to send us your comments about exhasting conditions in low cost airlines (even if we all know that easyjet is "less worse" than other LCC )
Thank you !
Thank you !
You are one amazing little Sh
t! You have 350 hour total time so you know jack sh t. I'd be amazed if you actually hold a driving licence!
You are on other forums asking for people's advice because you have low hours and some have told you to wind your arrogant little neck in when you don't like what you hear, you hold no flight deck job so you have nothing to base your opinions on and with your attitude I really don't think you will ever get one.
I'm no wanabee worked my ass off to get where I am today and have no desire to pursue long haul but unlike you mate I have the experience to pursue it if I want to, I have plenty of friends in long haul who tell me that the novelty wears off quickly and it's not what it used to be. I'm staying putt because it suits my circumstances and if you don't like it tough sh t. Yes I would do it for 6 months not for the flying but just to visit a few places for free but that's all. I don't care about the size of my aircraft as long as I'm happy and it's secure.
Don't you start talking down to me and bleeds off and other pro's who are trying to tell your sorry arse about the job that we do. Everything has it's advantages and disadvantages it's what suits people's circumstances best.
It's a good job that other wanabees are not like you, who work their butts off to make their dreams come true and appreciate the advise from the ones who have made it, hell your a disgrace to other wanabees.
Now go and apply to Burger King because I think with your attitude that's as far as you will go.
And that's the bottom line coz Stone Cold said so!
t! You have 350 hour total time so you know jack sh t. I'd be amazed if you actually hold a driving licence! You are on other forums asking for people's advice because you have low hours and some have told you to wind your arrogant little neck in when you don't like what you hear, you hold no flight deck job so you have nothing to base your opinions on and with your attitude I really don't think you will ever get one.
I'm no wanabee worked my ass off to get where I am today and have no desire to pursue long haul but unlike you mate I have the experience to pursue it if I want to, I have plenty of friends in long haul who tell me that the novelty wears off quickly and it's not what it used to be. I'm staying putt because it suits my circumstances and if you don't like it tough sh
t. Yes I would do it for 6 months not for the flying but just to visit a few places for free but that's all. I don't care about the size of my aircraft as long as I'm happy and it's secure.Don't you start talking down to me and bleeds off and other pro's who are trying to tell your sorry arse about the job that we do. Everything has it's advantages and disadvantages it's what suits people's circumstances best.
It's a good job that other wanabees are not like you, who work their butts off to make their dreams come true and appreciate the advise from the ones who have made it, hell your a disgrace to other wanabees.
Now go and apply to Burger King because I think with your attitude that's as far as you will go.
And that's the bottom line coz Stone Cold said so!
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Hmmm, i smell a troll...
Anyhow, if you are not in easyJet, nuageblanc, then you don't really know how it works, and if you're not a pilot flying for an airline then again you don't know what it's really like up the front, and how it feels to fly 5/3/5/4( with much respect to our cc as i wouldn't like to be doing 6/3 ).
Different people want different things from the job, and although i like ezy at the mo i may decide to try long haul in a few years, but that would only be for the trips. To be honest the a/c type really doesn't matter, you only really see your little world up the front anyhow's, makes no difference if it's a 737 or a 747/777. And i agree, i ofthen get bored after a couple of hours in a straight line....
We have quite a few guys who have left long haul and joined ezy for the lifestyle, and the time off is pretty good actually. Always room for improvement but there you go. There will always be movement both ways. Yes 5 earlies can be hard but even out of Luton it's rare for me to get more that 2 days of 4 sector earlies, and most earlies are finished by 1300 -1400. Not that bad really!
nuageblanc, i'd advise you lose the attitude otherwise you'll never make it anywhere near the pointy end as a pilot, they'll smell you a mile off.
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Anyhow, if you are not in easyJet, nuageblanc, then you don't really know how it works, and if you're not a pilot flying for an airline then again you don't know what it's really like up the front, and how it feels to fly 5/3/5/4( with much respect to our cc as i wouldn't like to be doing 6/3 ).
Different people want different things from the job, and although i like ezy at the mo i may decide to try long haul in a few years, but that would only be for the trips. To be honest the a/c type really doesn't matter, you only really see your little world up the front anyhow's, makes no difference if it's a 737 or a 747/777. And i agree, i ofthen get bored after a couple of hours in a straight line....
We have quite a few guys who have left long haul and joined ezy for the lifestyle, and the time off is pretty good actually. Always room for improvement but there you go. There will always be movement both ways. Yes 5 earlies can be hard but even out of Luton it's rare for me to get more that 2 days of 4 sector earlies, and most earlies are finished by 1300 -1400. Not that bad really!
nuageblanc, i'd advise you lose the attitude otherwise you'll never make it anywhere near the pointy end as a pilot, they'll smell you a mile off.
WBV
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Stop. You really are making yourself look foolish. Have a little respect for the opinions of people who are actually doing the job. You are entitled to your opinions but you cannot claim "to be right" when you have no experience.
You say you are an ATPL wannabe. I am suprised by some of the attitudes you show. Did you not study CRM/HF? Arrogance is a dangerous trait in a pilot........
I fly shorthaul LoCo and I HAVE ABSOLUTLEY NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to try longhaul. I couldn't imagine anything more tedious than 10+ hour sectors. You, as cabin crew, while away the hours serving and pampering the customers. (Why haven't you got a job up the pointy end yet - recruitment hasn't been so good for years...?) Up front you are just watching and watching and watching. So I would imagine, but I've never done it so don't KNOW, that your time probably goes a lot quicker.
Additionally, when you're in the LHS earning £90k+ it's a big decision to take a 50% paycut and go back to the RHS for between 7-15 years. Would you honestly do that - just to try longhaul? If you ever achieve (note that word achieve) a Command it's not something you want to let go of lightly.
I spoken with many guys who do long haul and the over-riding fact that comes out is that long haul leaves you properly fatigued. Fatigued to the point where it takes days to recover..... just in time to go away again. And the long term medical implications of continuous circadium disruption are not good. Sure I do get tired sometimes, but after my first day off I'm fine.
I don't know if you have family but again, for me, I couldn't imagine anything worse than being stuck in some hotel down route that you've been to for the umpteenth time whilst my kids are on the other side of the world...... waiting for their knackered dad to be home for a few days. Why does long haul have such a high divorce rate I wonder? (two reasons....work the other one out).
I wish you luck in your future, but perhaps show a little more humility and willingness to listen - believe it or not it will help you in the long run.
A4
PS The two previous posts were posted while I was typing.... seems the pros are singing fromthe same sheet. What does that say to you.....?
A4
Stop. You really are making yourself look foolish. Have a little respect for the opinions of people who are actually doing the job. You are entitled to your opinions but you cannot claim "to be right" when you have no experience.
You say you are an ATPL wannabe. I am suprised by some of the attitudes you show. Did you not study CRM/HF? Arrogance is a dangerous trait in a pilot........
I fly shorthaul LoCo and I HAVE ABSOLUTLEY NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to try longhaul. I couldn't imagine anything more tedious than 10+ hour sectors. You, as cabin crew, while away the hours serving and pampering the customers. (Why haven't you got a job up the pointy end yet - recruitment hasn't been so good for years...?) Up front you are just watching and watching and watching. So I would imagine, but I've never done it so don't KNOW, that your time probably goes a lot quicker.
Additionally, when you're in the LHS earning £90k+ it's a big decision to take a 50% paycut and go back to the RHS for between 7-15 years. Would you honestly do that - just to try longhaul? If you ever achieve (note that word achieve) a Command it's not something you want to let go of lightly.
I spoken with many guys who do long haul and the over-riding fact that comes out is that long haul leaves you properly fatigued. Fatigued to the point where it takes days to recover..... just in time to go away again. And the long term medical implications of continuous circadium disruption are not good. Sure I do get tired sometimes, but after my first day off I'm fine.
I don't know if you have family but again, for me, I couldn't imagine anything worse than being stuck in some hotel down route that you've been to for the umpteenth time whilst my kids are on the other side of the world...... waiting for their knackered dad to be home for a few days. Why does long haul have such a high divorce rate I wonder? (two reasons....work the other one out).
I wish you luck in your future, but perhaps show a little more humility and willingness to listen - believe it or not it will help you in the long run.
A4
PS The two previous posts were posted while I was typing.... seems the pros are singing fromthe same sheet. What does that say to you.....?
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Don't be so rude guys, please !
We are all Wanabees in one sens ! even yourselves because you have never ever experienced the life of a long haul pilot ! You love your situation and you want to keep it untill your retirement, that is fine, but please respect people (including lots of your easyjet colleagues) that don't agree with you, and leave easyJet anyway for better pasture ! You can join better companies like thomsonfly and have the oportunity to earn much better, work not that hard, have much better pension scheme, and fly both long/short haul or either one.
Like you have friends doing long haul, I have friends at easyjet and they say that is not bad at all but it is hard work. Have a look at ethida, emirates, cathay, dragonair, Oasis Hong kong, BA, Virgin, My travel, Thomas cook, Thomson... it is full of ex easyjet pilots
If you want to fly an A319 in europe only, during your whole carreer then, cool !
Once again, I think easyjet is a good transition, and I would be happy to try it for 4 or 5 years !
I am in my early twenties so dont worry for me ! and I am currently preparing myself for the last stage of a selection process to fly, hopefully, the CRJ for Britair (Air France) ! So wish me good luck guys
And one day maybe we will have the pleasure to meet in a cockpit, my friends !
Guillaume
We are all Wanabees in one sens ! even yourselves because you have never ever experienced the life of a long haul pilot ! You love your situation and you want to keep it untill your retirement, that is fine, but please respect people (including lots of your easyjet colleagues) that don't agree with you, and leave easyJet anyway for better pasture ! You can join better companies like thomsonfly and have the oportunity to earn much better, work not that hard, have much better pension scheme, and fly both long/short haul or either one.
Like you have friends doing long haul, I have friends at easyjet and they say that is not bad at all but it is hard work. Have a look at ethida, emirates, cathay, dragonair, Oasis Hong kong, BA, Virgin, My travel, Thomas cook, Thomson... it is full of ex easyjet pilots
If you want to fly an A319 in europe only, during your whole carreer then, cool !
Once again, I think easyjet is a good transition, and I would be happy to try it for 4 or 5 years !
I am in my early twenties so dont worry for me ! and I am currently preparing myself for the last stage of a selection process to fly, hopefully, the CRJ for Britair (Air France) ! So wish me good luck guys
And one day maybe we will have the pleasure to meet in a cockpit, my friends !
Guillaume
We are all Wanabees in one sens ! even yourselves because you have never ever experienced the life of a long haul pilot !
but please respect people (including lots of your easyjet colleagues) that don't agree with you, and leave easyJet anyway for better pasture ! You can join better companies like thomsonfly and have the oportunity to earn much better, work not that hard, have much better pension scheme, and fly both long/short haul or either one.
Like you have friends doing long haul, I have friends at easyjet and they say that is not bad at all but it is hard work. Have a look at ethida, emirates, cathay, dragonair, Oasis Hong kong, BA, Virgin, My travel, Thomas cook, Thomson... it is full of ex easyjet pilots
Like you have friends doing long haul, I have friends at easyjet and they say that is not bad at all but it is hard work. Have a look at ethida, emirates, cathay, dragonair, Oasis Hong kong, BA, Virgin, My travel, Thomas cook, Thomson... it is full of ex easyjet pilots
am in my early twenties so dont worry for me ! and I am currently preparing myself for the last stage of a selection process to fly, hopefully, the CRJ for Britair (Air France) ! So wish me good luck guys
Good luck anyway.
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nuageblanc, could you just try to sit back and relax for a while (without posting, please) ? This thread was very interesting before you started talking about all these things you don't know yet. THANK YOU!!
PS: I do not want to meet you in a cockpit - even a shorthaul flight would be to long to listen to your bull
PS: I do not want to meet you in a cockpit - even a shorthaul flight would be to long to listen to your bull