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It's a bit different in JAR land
Now getting the right to work in the UK is a bit of a hurdle. 
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The key thing to remember is that BAe 146 rated pilots are like golddust nowadays. Check the number of contract jobs up for grabs on the quadrapuff and you will get a feeling for why BAe 146 operators are so short of crew!
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DOJ -
Cry me a river. US airlines will NEVER hire Europeans w/o greencard/US passport/ self sponsored workpermit and will never hire those individuals without a FAA CPL/ATP....
I am more then happy to see Americans coming to Europe, but you will never see a US airline sponsor Europeans to come work for them and they will never validate their European licenses.
Cry me a river. US airlines will NEVER hire Europeans w/o greencard/US passport/ self sponsored workpermit and will never hire those individuals without a FAA CPL/ATP....
I am more then happy to see Americans coming to Europe, but you will never see a US airline sponsor Europeans to come work for them and they will never validate their European licenses.
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And should I, as a flying Froggy, resign from my lovely Irish airline because I am taking an Irish job..??
So good for the Yanks, so good for IAA, maybe are they opening a door ?
Pretty soon we should see an open sky upon the pond, 80000 jobs to be created, maybe then US carriers will ask for foreigners to fly their tinboxes. (am I dreaming
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So good for the Yanks, so good for IAA, maybe are they opening a door ?
Pretty soon we should see an open sky upon the pond, 80000 jobs to be created, maybe then US carriers will ask for foreigners to fly their tinboxes. (am I dreaming
)
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what is all the fuss about?, Both sets of exams you get the answers to, the only the jaa you have to remember more. As to the foreign pilots issue you want to work in america get sponsored simple as that and of course memorise fewer answers!!!! There you have it!!!!! Hakuna matata!!!
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IAA & Americans
The JAA & IAA have definetly sold us out. Irish and English guys have by far the hardest time getting jobs because there is too many of us and our jobs are been offered to everyone else. America and Europe close the door to us but we invite them in willingly. Thats why all these 250hr can barely fly a duchess guys have to pay Ryanair and alike 30k for a type ratin. We pay the most for training and to what end?
If you European and other foreigner pilots can't see that, your ignorant! The IAA sold us out, so did the other EU members and as for the rest of the world why should they care.
If you European and other foreigner pilots can't see that, your ignorant! The IAA sold us out, so did the other EU members and as for the rest of the world why should they care.
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I agree, i think it is disgusting to see all these young EU pilots here with no job, when US citizen steal our jobs and with minimum effort with the help of some corrupted governmental offices(trahison!!!).
For years airlines didn't give us job and we had no way to make our own experience, now they are short of crew, so they hire US citizen who are in my point of view illegal in Europe but apparently suddenly legal in Ireland.
they come here to look for a job(sim and interview i presume), when in the USA you can be deported if you say you are looking for a job in the USA.
(and be banned for 10 years if they find you to fly there.)
the results is: low experienced guys applying in some crappy airlines like ryanair ,lowering the condition and making the situation harder for everyone in this business.
Not only we have no job, or we have to survive with some miserably paid jobs, but our retirement is affected, our life is affected, and one day the whole system goes down.
US citizen, please go home!there are many jobs at your local Wal-Mart!
For years airlines didn't give us job and we had no way to make our own experience, now they are short of crew, so they hire US citizen who are in my point of view illegal in Europe but apparently suddenly legal in Ireland.
they come here to look for a job(sim and interview i presume), when in the USA you can be deported if you say you are looking for a job in the USA.
(and be banned for 10 years if they find you to fly there.)
the results is: low experienced guys applying in some crappy airlines like ryanair ,lowering the condition and making the situation harder for everyone in this business.
Not only we have no job, or we have to survive with some miserably paid jobs, but our retirement is affected, our life is affected, and one day the whole system goes down.
US citizen, please go home!there are many jobs at your local Wal-Mart!
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Dartagnan - you don't have a monopoly on talking through your arse, but this isn't the first time you have embarassed yourself on this subject on prune.
The world does not owe you a living, and your anger at it not owing you a living does not entitle you to call the IAA corrupt. It's your choice to do an ATPL with a 50% chance of getting a commercial pilot's job, and it's the IAA's choice to allow validations for experienced Captains on aircraft types where there are no such people with a JAA licence available. There is ZERO connnection between those 2 choices.
The world does not owe you a living, and your anger at it not owing you a living does not entitle you to call the IAA corrupt. It's your choice to do an ATPL with a 50% chance of getting a commercial pilot's job, and it's the IAA's choice to allow validations for experienced Captains on aircraft types where there are no such people with a JAA licence available. There is ZERO connnection between those 2 choices.
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and it's the IAA's choice to allow validations for experienced Captains on aircraft types where there are no such people with a JAA licence available.
It is full of unfrozen atpl FOs and jobless captains in europe ! There is no need to contract US citizen to steal european jobs !
Americans with US passport and FAA licences GO HOME !!!
Dartagnan is completely right !
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There are far more Irish citizens working for US carriers than there are US citizens working for Irish operators.
An Irish or British person has a better chance of winning the green card lottery than getting a job with the large French or German carriers etc
An Irish or British person has a better chance of winning the green card lottery than getting a job with the large French or German carriers etc
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I agree, but a US airline will never hire Europeans and sponsor them for their greencard.
As far as "go home" . Give me a break. The airlines don't owe you a job just because you got ur JAA license! It's all about the money. If they can get type rated people with time on type they will. Sucks to be you in that case, but that is how this game works
Plenty of Europeans working Stateside. (altough again, the airlines didnt help them getting their legal paperwork to work stateside)
As far as "go home" . Give me a break. The airlines don't owe you a job just because you got ur JAA license! It's all about the money. If they can get type rated people with time on type they will. Sucks to be you in that case, but that is how this game works
Plenty of Europeans working Stateside. (altough again, the airlines didnt help them getting their legal paperwork to work stateside)
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Guess what, guys - NO airline in the US of A sponsors ANYBODY! We all built our time flying sh## boxes or F-16s until the big jet job came around. We have all nationalities at my airline - even an ex portagee fighter jock. All they had to do was win the green card lottery or marry some chick who thought their accent was cute.
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Don't understand
I've worked for FAR9 & 121 carriers that have employed Brits, don't see the hassle, get yer paperwork & status inorder then you've a chance, if you can't be bothered, then don't bitch!
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Yes it's pretty simple as most have pointed out. Cityjet are hiring type rated pilots to fly their 146's. It so happens that they are American. If the Turks or Chinese or the Aussies had plenty of surplus type rated pilots they would be hired too.
There is no unfairness, Cityjet is not a charity. It's a business. All airlines prefer type rated, experienced pilots. The only reason they take on low time non rated pilots is frankly because there aren't enough type rated pilots to go around. The IAA's job is to help ensure Cityjet stays in business by facilitating them.
As for criticising American airlines for not sponsoring pilots from abroad. Well why would they? Their mailboxes are crammed with resumes from appropriately experienced American and green carded pilots already. Why on earth would they need to trawl Europe for pilots? If there was ever a shortage of pilots in the US, you can be quite sure they would be holding recruitment seminars all over Europe.
It's also worth pointing out that the reason there are so many continental Europeans working for Irish and British carriers is because it's tough to get jobs in continental Europe even for the locals. On the other hand the British and Irish carriers take 'foreigners' because they need them. Ryanair of course being the classic example. In fact Ryanair only take type rated pilots if you think about it.
The airline business and aviation in general is and was always very international in it's employment policies. I think some people new to the business really don't realise this. Otherwise they wouldn't be making some of the stupid statements we see here.
There is no unfairness, Cityjet is not a charity. It's a business. All airlines prefer type rated, experienced pilots. The only reason they take on low time non rated pilots is frankly because there aren't enough type rated pilots to go around. The IAA's job is to help ensure Cityjet stays in business by facilitating them.
As for criticising American airlines for not sponsoring pilots from abroad. Well why would they? Their mailboxes are crammed with resumes from appropriately experienced American and green carded pilots already. Why on earth would they need to trawl Europe for pilots? If there was ever a shortage of pilots in the US, you can be quite sure they would be holding recruitment seminars all over Europe.
It's also worth pointing out that the reason there are so many continental Europeans working for Irish and British carriers is because it's tough to get jobs in continental Europe even for the locals. On the other hand the British and Irish carriers take 'foreigners' because they need them. Ryanair of course being the classic example. In fact Ryanair only take type rated pilots if you think about it.
The airline business and aviation in general is and was always very international in it's employment policies. I think some people new to the business really don't realise this. Otherwise they wouldn't be making some of the stupid statements we see here.
Just for the record, you do not need a Green Card to work in the United States. What you do need is an L1 visa and you need to have a qualification that is attractive to the airline concerned. I flew for a Part 121 carrier for 3 years and nobody seemed to resent my presence in the USA.
I also worked in Europe for 6 years and I was very far from being the only Brit working there.
Aviation is a global business and the sooner that some of the hotheads on this forum get to realise that the better.
I also worked in Europe for 6 years and I was very far from being the only Brit working there.
Aviation is a global business and the sooner that some of the hotheads on this forum get to realise that the better.
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As for criticising American airlines for not sponsoring pilots from abroad. Well why would they? Their mailboxes are crammed with resumes from appropriately experienced American and green carded pilots already. Why on earth would they need to trawl Europe for pilots?
so American mates your only future in europe is Cityjet, aer arann or Ryanair, that 's all and
you and go back home 
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1) all your points are wrong.
2) You havent a clue about how the REAL world works
3) You are a disgruntled wannabe
4) You are anti-american (only bitch about yanks but nobody else)
5) You are no doubt a hypocrite, I bet you a million bucks you'd take a job at emirites in the morning if offered one. All you would have to do is get a validation, you dont need a citizenship...oh and you'd be taking a job from a local.
GROW UP and act like an adult! and not a 
baby!
OH and its not the IAA's job to provide airline jobs to fixed wing pilots. Their job is to keep the airlines and aviation related sectors in business, thus providing the money to help keep their own employees hired.
2) You havent a clue about how the REAL world works
3) You are a disgruntled wannabe
4) You are anti-american (only bitch about yanks but nobody else)
5) You are no doubt a hypocrite, I bet you a million bucks you'd take a job at emirites in the morning if offered one. All you would have to do is get a validation, you dont need a citizenship...oh and you'd be taking a job from a local.
GROW UP and act like an adult! and not a
baby!OH and its not the IAA's job to provide airline jobs to fixed wing pilots. Their job is to keep the airlines and aviation related sectors in business, thus providing the money to help keep their own employees hired.
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riiiiiiiiiight! what would you know about that. get a life! Ireland will look afer itself and other european countries can do the same. Ireland isnt here for your benifit just because you can't get an airline job. we dont owe europe anything. By the way I notice you dont moan at iceland for handing out validations either. I guess some where along the line ryanair turned you down and now you have a big chip on your sholder against the irish/iaa and americans. looser!